--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: DAC00001 Date: 06/07/96 From: MATT MCINTOSH Time: 03:59am \/To: PAT SHERMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Controversy in the making Bravo on your response to the flaming message! I responded to it, but I tried my best to keep it very tame and well within the limits of proper discussion. --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.2f * Origin: E-Source BBS : 512-463-6257 (1:382/503) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: DAC00002 Date: 06/07/96 From: MATT MCINTOSH Time: 04:12am \/To: JOHN MEROTH (Read 2 times) Subj: Why We'Re Sick -> i.e. thanks to modern medicine illnesses such as heart attacks & -> diabides are nearly as fatal as they were 50 years ago. How very true! Which is one of the major arguments in favor of alternatives to modern medicine that are environmentally safer and many of which provide the same types of treatments to many ailments. --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.2f * Origin: E-Source BBS : 512-463-6257 (1:382/503) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: DAD00000 Date: 06/06/96 From: JOHN MEROTH Time: 09:53pm \/To: DANIEL ABRAMS (Read 2 times) Subj: WHY WE'RE SICK Hello Daniel. 04 Jun 96 08:00, Daniel Abrams wrote to John Meroth: >> >> Yes, this is true. What I was getting at was those that are not in >> either of these two groups. The fisrt case is a DIRECT RESULT of >> 'The Great Society' started by LBJ in the late '60s. The second is >> caused by our promiscous lifestyles that grew out of the 60s. DA> Neither LBJ's social legislation program (Great Society) or the 1960s DA> Sexual Revolution by themselves can be held totally responsible for DA> the decay of the `American Empire.' Totally, no. The CATALYST, most definately. DA> Many contributing factors are at DA> play including overpopulation - particularily in urban centres. The Great Society was aimed DIRECTLY at the impoverished urban population centers. Furthermore, it's very goal cause the poverty to become self-sustaining. DA> In DA> many respects, the Sexual Revolution was an effect (a symptom) rather DA> than a cause as America dealt with the Cold War, Vietnam War, Race War DA> and the War on Poverty. Nope. It was a direct result of the relief of pressure brought about by the first truly effective birth control, the pill. The Cold War and the vietnam war were vastly over emphisized by the press. If Bosnia drags on as it very well may, then it will be effected the same way. DA> As the younger generation escaped to drugs to DA> cope with the turmoil - `turn on, tune in and drop out' - , DA> inhibitions loosened and promiscuity became the order of the day. I AM a member of that generation. Believe it or not the percentage that followed that creed was a small minority. It's the media that makes you want to believe it was rampant. I have never done illegal drugs and never will. Life alone is more than enough turn-on for me. I still get my kicks hopping on my bike and buzzin down the freeway. Keeps me feeling young at heart. When i have a few extra bucks, I go rent a plane. Flying is one of the best mental highs there is. A motorcycle ridden fast (and safely) is a not so close second. John --- GoldED/2 2.50 UNREG * Origin: Tampa Bay OS/2 - Clarion BBS - (813) 832-3851 (1:377/86) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: DAD00001 Date: 06/09/96 From: MICHAEL HARRIS Time: 11:46am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Mercury ~TAGNORMAL ~SMercury ~TOAll ~FAll ~L Hiya All, Recent reports indicate that there will be a consumption warning on Gulf of Mexico Mackerel due to contamination by Mercury. -=> Have a GREAT ONE! <=- --- Terminate 4.00/Pro * Origin: -----WildWorld Point----- (1:154/750.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: DAD00002 Date: 06/09/96 From: JAMES FARROW Time: 12:41am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Environ Echo Rules and Guidelines ENVIRON Echo Rules and Guidelines. Moderator: James Farrow 1:251/103 Asst. Moderator: Nancy Wood 1:387/510 The ENVIRON Echo was created to bring together individuals interested in discussing environmental topics together in a controllable forum where ideas, theories or just plain discussions can take place without childish activity that plagues many other fidonet echos. The rules are very simple and extremely easy to follow. ENVIRON is to be carried ONLY BY FIDONET SYSTEMS. Porting to other networks is NOT ALLOWED The Rules: 1) All topics discussed MUST have some relationship to the environment in some manner. 2) There will be NO toleration of FLAMES in this echo. There was one incident where an individual tried to get around the rules because of their position in Fidonet. Unfortunately for this person, they have been banned forever from the echo and almost lost their nodenumber. I am not playing here. I do mean business. 3) ANY and ALL complaints MUST be sent via NETMAIL to 1:251/103 Do NOT clutter the echo with whiny complaints about anyone. 4) Anti-environmental discussions are allowed. This is to allow the full spectrum of the issues at hand to be seen and will allow for the downside of an argument to be discussed. Anti-environmentalism is discouraged as it is what got us in this mess. 5) The moderator is the ULTIMATE authority in this echo. If you have a problem with the echo, do not go to the NEC or REC, come to me. That's what I'm here for. 6) The ENVIRON Echo is the sole property of the Moderator James Farrow and not the property of its participants. Basically, I own the lecture theatre, if you want to use it, follow my rules. 7) The use of Pseudos or fake names is NOT ALLOWED. If you want to be excepted, netmail me with a good reason or too bad. 8) Topics that are ILLEGAL or that could cause major political problems in the echo are not allowed. We do not need a rebirth of the arguments for drug legalization (which has nothing to do with the environment) or abortions etc (the same applies). Punishment Procedure The moderator has TOTAL discretion on punitive actions. Systems that offend the rules may find themselves out of the echo for anywhere from a week to a permanent removal. Thank you James Farrow 1:251/103 ENVIRON Echo Moderator --- AutoRule v1.00 * Origin: Smokey's Playground Home of ENVIRON (902) 539-9169 (1:251/103.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: DAD00003 Date: 06/08/96 From: JOHN MEROTH Time: 09:26pm \/To: MATT MCINTOSH (Read 2 times) Subj: Why We'Re Sick Hello MATT. 07 Jun 96 04:12, MATT MCINTOSH wrote to JOHN MEROTH: ->> i.e. thanks to modern medicine illnesses such as heart attacks & ->> diabides are nearly as fatal as they were 50 years ago. MM> How very true! Which is one of the major arguments in favor of MM> alternatives to modern medicine that are environmentally safer and MM> many of which provide the same types of treatments to many ailments. I thought i said NOT NEARLY as fatal. A diabetic 100 years ago had no survivability. A Heart attack was also nearly always fatal. Nostradamos died in his 50s from congestive heart failure. He would have lived for many more years had he had access to today's dicine. John --- GoldED/2 2.50 UNREG * Origin: Tampa Bay OS/2 - Clarion BBS - (813) 832-3851 (1:377/86) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: DAF00000 Date: 06/09/96 From: MAZ LEVY Time: 11:30pm \/To: TOM EZELL (Read 2 times) Subj: Why We'Re Sick RE: Why We'Re Sick BY: Tom Ezell to Maz Levy on Sat Jun 01 1996 10:37:00 > All three of the things you mentioned above work differently. Mercury > does its deed by means of simple coordination chemistry. AIDS/HIV is a > virus... which in turn is an extremely sophisticated molecule, and > "prions" affect nucleic acid synthesis. I admit it does get a little deep, but I have taken note of what you said and will see if there is another connection in my research, it does sound amiliar and you have given me something to look for. Mercury does have a whole chain reaction and the effects of galvanism also has, how do you say, a host value for the virus, it is as if the inorganic to organic has its own set of biological rules based on ions to bio-electro-magnetism. I'll be back maz --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.10 * Origin: ZA-ZEN! - Healdsburg, CA - 707.431.7640 (1:2002/190) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: DAF00001 Date: 06/09/96 From: MAZ LEVY Time: 11:32pm \/To: JOHN MEROTH (Read 2 times) Subj: WHY WE'RE SICK RE: WHY WE'RE SICK BY: John Meroth to Maz Levy on Tue Jun 04 1996 22:24:48 > ML> I should add that the area I just left, only a bridge and down the > ML> road from a chevron plant, during the busy hour, reports stated there > ML> was no oxygen present. > > And everyone in the plant and in the surrounding area died? My plants died. maz --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.10 * Origin: ZA-ZEN! - Healdsburg, CA - 707.431.7640 (1:2002/190) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: DAF00002 Date: 06/10/96 From: MATT MCINTOSH Time: 02:27pm \/To: JOHN MEROTH (Read 2 times) Subj: Why We'Re Sick -> I thought i said NOT NEARLY as fatal. -> -> A diabetic 100 years ago had no survivability. -> -> A Heart attack was also nearly always fatal. Nostradamos died in his -> 50s from congestive heart failure. -> -> He would have lived for many more years had he had access to today's -> medicine. Greetings, Salutations, and all that Good Stuff! And I said MANY ailments, not all. I agree that modern medicines have indeed prolonged life (sometimes unnecessarily), and even made it easier. However, there are other treatments available which are purely natural. Not all illnesses can be treated this way, but we should certainly keep in mind those that can and attempt to use them when possible. Actually, I think (unproven) that all illnesses can be naturally treated, it's just a matter of finding the treatments. We should continue to use modern medicine for those that thus far cannot until we can find the treatments that do just as much good. Laters, Macster --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.2f * Origin: E-Source BBS : 512-463-6257 (1:382/503) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: DAG00000 Date: 06/11/96 From: MATT MCINTOSH Time: 12:33pm \/To: MAZ LEVY (Read 2 times) Subj: WHY WE'RE SICK -> > ML> I should add that the area I just left, only a bridge and -> down the > ML> road from a chevron plant, during the busy hour, -> reports stated there > ML> was no oxygen present. -> > -> > And everyone in the plant and in the surrounding area died? -> -> My plants died. Greetings, Salutations, and all that Good Stuff! I'm no scientist, but it would seem that more than just your plants would have died if there was a complete lack of oxygen in the area. Laters Macster --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.2f * Origin: E-Source BBS : 512-463-6257 (1:382/503)