--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCY00021Date: 08/25/95 From: GEORGE HERO Time: 07:34am \/To: ALL (Read 4 times) Subj: For your info... ======================================================================== Forwarded here by George Hero (1:396/17.27) ======================================================================== Area: NETMAIL Date: 24 Aug 95 11:26:42 Private From: tad@SSC.COM (396/17) To: George Hero (396/17) Subject: Wenatchee, reformatted [2] ======================================================================== >> CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE << Kim Cartmill August 25, 1995 In the Wenatchee World this last week there was an article about the hiring of Attorney Ed Stevensen by Chelan County Prosecuting Attorney Gary Riesen. In this publication of Area Issues we would like to make you aware of a few facts and then ask a few thought provoking questions. About three weeks ago there was a trial held on Manuel Hidalgo Rodriguez for allegedly molesting and raping two young girls here in Wenatchee. These two victims are the same primary child witnesses that along with a friend, have accused over 89 other adults of doing the same or similar acts of orror. Two of these children live with the primary investigating police officer, Detective Robert Perez. On the first day of the trial, we had a member of our group, CCLA, in the courtroom to witness the proceedings. Our member was so concerned about the lack of representation of the defendant, Mr. Rodriguez, that she called CCLA member Connie Fry. Connie Fry attended the court proceedings for the duration of the trial. After her first day of attendance, Connie Fry was so upset by what she thought to be a lack of proper defense that she discussed the matter with her husband and they both agreed to put up $10,000.00 for Mr. Rodriguez to hire someone other than a court appointed attorney to represent him. Since Mr. Rodriguez was in jail and does not speak English very well, Connie Fry went a few steps further. After an unsuccessful ttempt at hiring a local attorney to represent Mr. Rodriguez, she then contacted several out of town attorneys and was finally able to secure Mr. Tyler Firkin from Bellevue, Washington. The next day, Mr. Firkin faxed a letter to Connie Fry agreeing to represent Mr. Rodriguez for a retainer of $10,000.00 and the cooperation of the judge (Carol Wardell) to grant a two week ontinuance, so that he could prepare his case. While the trial was in session, this letter was delivered to the court by Connie Fry and with the help of the court interpreter, this message was relayed to Mr. Rodriguez. He agreed and tried to fire his court appointed attorney, Mr. Ed Stevensen. In summary, Judge Wardell said that Mr. Firkin was not present and that Mr. Stevensen was doing a fine job of representing Mr. Rodriguez. She would not allow Mr. Rodriguez to fire his attorney. The result of the trial was that Mr. Rodriguez was found guilty only of the charge that was formally filed against him the day before he went to trial. The story does not end here. During a break in Mr. Rodriguez trial, Honnah Sims, who two weeks previously had won a complete acquittal for alleged child sex abuse, confronted Mr. Stevensen about what she felt was a lack of concerted effort on Mr. Stevensen s part to discredit the plea bargained testimony of a mentally handicapped man who is also accused of child sex abuse. During another break in Mr. Rodriguez s trial, a local attorney confronted Mr. Rodriguez s court appointed attorney, Mr. Ed Stevensen, about his lack of professional effort in defending Mr. Rodriguez. During Mr. Stevensen s closing arguments on behalf of Manuel Rodriguez, two CCLA members noticed that the court clerk and Judge Carol Wardell were assing notes back and forth. The notes were torn up into little pieces and thrown into wastebaskets. During the jury deliberation and when the courtroom was empty, the notes were retrieved and pieced back together. Copies of these notes have been provided for your review. It appears that Mr. Stevensen was doing such a fine job that it was painful for the court clerk to listen to and Judge Carol Wardell was easily enough distracted to write a couple of notes of her own. Questions: Why would the Fry s put up $10,000.00 of their own money for a man they have never met and who realistically will never be able to pay them back? Could it be that they genuinely want to see JUSTICE , and not the legal system, prevail in this community? Remember, Honnah Sims won a complete acquittal for alleged child sex abuse two weeks before Mr. Rodriguez s trial. Could it be that for political reasons and/or public perception, Mr. Riesen felt he needed a win to counteract the public s perception that maybe the Sex Ring allegations are more witch hunt than reality? Why did Gary Riesen personally prosecute the Manuel Rodriguez trial rather than one of the more difficult cases his office is embroiled in? Of all the attorney s available to hire in this community, why did Mr. Riesen hire Ed Stevensen, the court appointed attorney for Manuel Hidalgo Rodriguez, and why so soon after the trial we have just discussed? I don t recall eeing any advertisements for attorneys in our local newspapers. We remind you again, CCLA is not out to protect child abusers. Quite the contrary! If anyone is guilty of this crime, we too want them locked up! But we also want the TRUTH and we want JUSTICE in our community. This should be our way of life, not just some clichi from a civics class! You and I need to speak up and speak out to assure that our public servants tell the TRUTH, the whole TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH consistently! If you can help us with a few dollars for the cause, it will be greatly appreciated. We would also appreciate any comments; pro or con. CCLA P.O. Box 1872 Wenatchee, WA 98807-1872 -+- GIGO+ sn 234 at nopc vsn 0.99.950303 --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: George.Hero@nopc.org (1:396/17.27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCY00022Date: 08/26/95 From: RICK THOMA Time: 02:15am \/To: ALL (Read 4 times) Subj: Donna on Medicare Fraud Date: Tuesday, June 27, 1995 For Release: Immediately Contact: HHS Press Office (202) 690-6343 SHALALA ANNOUNCES A TOLL-FREE HOT LINE TO FIGHT MEDICARE AND MEDICAID FRAUD HHS Secretary Donna E. Shalala today announced a national hot line to report health care fraud involving the Medicare and Medicaid programs. The toll-free hot line opened for business today at 1-800-HHS- TIPS (1-800-447-8477). The Department of Health and Human Services hot line will be located and staffed within the Office of Inspector General (OIG) and will operate from 9 a.m. to 8 p.m., eastern time, Monday through Friday. Secretary Shalala said the hot line represents another step in an effort to eliminate fraudulent or wasteful activities in the Medicare and Medicaid programs whose combined annual budgets exceed $265 billion. Last month, President Clinton announced a partnership of federal and state agencies to crack down on Medicare and Medicaid fraud, waste and abuse associated with home health agencies, nursing homes and durable medical equipment suppliers. This tough new anti-fraud initiative is known as "Operation Restore Trust." The targeted anti-fraud project is focused on the five states that have nearly 40 percent of all Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries -- New York, Florida, Illinois, Texas and California. Millions of dollars are lost every year to health care fraud, waste and abuse. Therefore, Secretary Shalala said it is important that the public, including Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries, and medical providers in the private sector, participate in this fight. The "HHS-TIPS" hot line accepts calls concerning alleged fraud against the Medicare and Medicaid programs. Written allegations and supporting documentation should be mailed to: Office of Inspector General Department of Health and Human Services HHS-TIPS HOT LINE P.O. Box 23489 Washington, D.C. 20026 --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Williamsburg, VA U.S.A. (1:271/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCZ00000Date: 08/27/95 From: DON HERMAN Time: 04:54pm \/To: RICK THOMA (Read 4 times) Subj: Grand Jury Letter (1992) Hello Rick, RT>DOCUMENT TITLE: RT>Letter from San Diego Grand Jury RT>Date: April 20, 1992 RT>From: RT>Grand Jury, County of San Diego RT>1420 Kettner Blvd, Suite 310 RT>San Diego, California 92101-2432 (snip).... Nice one, Rick! I am cross posting this to some other conferences. Thanks. Don * SLMR 2.1a * Origin: Sophia Education BBS, Creswell, OR (503) 942-9400 - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCZ00001Date: 08/27/95 From: DON HERMAN Time: 05:00pm \/To: ALL (Read 4 times) Subj: More Child Abuse =========================================================================== BBS: Peachy Keeno Inn BBS Date: 08-20-95 (12:39) Number: 60509 From: TRAVIS BEARD Refer#: NONE To: ALL Recvd: NO Subj: Hentoff on child abuse Conf: (162) F_CIVIL_LI --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Legalized child abuse By Nat Hentoff A police sergeant in upstate New York, having read some of my reporting on corporal punishment in public schools around the country, sent me a set of color photographs from a police lab. They were of his son, a third-grader. The boy had inadvertently yelled out when another student kicked him. Having thereby violated the school rule against noisemaking in class, he was paddled 12 times on the buttocks by the principal wielding a heavy paddle. That afternoon, the same incorrigible boy tripped over a desk and again made noise. The principal whacked the kid vigorously again. His father took those photographs -- which disclosed, as he noted, "raw flesh showing blood" -- to court. But his lawsuit against the principal was dismissed. At the time, New York State law said that public school educators could administer corporal punishment -- short of "deadly force." Had his son died, the police sergeant would have had a case. Corporal punishment has finally been abolished in New York State, but legalized beating of public school children remains in force in 24 states. I have interviewed children and parents in a number of towns and cities, and while the Supreme Court has refused to find corporal punishment "cruel and unusual punishment" in even the most egregious cases before it, teachers and principals do sometimes lose control. And children sometimes are hospitalized. The sovereign state of Alabama has now relieved its teachers of any fear of being sued for overenthusiastic punishment. This is the same state that recently made it possible for tourists to see shackled prisoners in chain gangs along the roads -- the only state to return to the golden age of convict punishment. The Alabama legislature has passed a punishment law giving teachers who hit students immunity from civil and criminal liability -- provided they whack the kids within the policy of their local school board (only nine of the 121 school systems in Alabama do not allow paddling). As for some of the results of those guidelines, Ann James -- past president of the Alabama Parent Teacher Association -- told Debbie Elliott of National Public Radio: "There are parents who have come to me over the years with pictures of their children's behinds that were black and blue. We feel they had been excessively paddled and abused." At the city pool in Orange Beach, Ala., a mother said on NPR: "What is a kid going to say? `Well, if they can hit me and they can hurt me, then I can go out and hurt and hit somebody else.' All [Alabama] is doing is feeding the biggest problem we have in the United States right now." In those states that continue to nurture the old-fashioned discipline of beating children, most of the victims are black, Latino, Chicano or poor whites. Middle class parents might bring a lawsuit -- although they won't be able to now in Alabama, at least against teachers. Of all the parents I've talked with, I most vividly remember a woman in Little Rock, Ark. Her son, an eighth-grader, had been in the hospital for two days. He was talking in class, against the rules, and had been taught a lesson he would not soon forget. His mother was furious and frustrated. There was no point filing suit, she had been told, because it would be tossed out of court. She spoke with me on condition that I not use her name. She was afraid that otherwise, reprisals would be taken against her son in his place of democratic education. I can still hear her indignant voice talking about "the man who hit my boy." "Why, he took another boy and slammed him into the locker," she said. I can't understand how they let people like this teach children. "When my boy was in the fifth grade, he got up out of his seat. That's all he did. They tied him to a chair with a rope. Then, when they started hitting him, I told that sorry devil of a principal, `I don't want anyone ever laying a hand on my child again.' He told me to shut my mouth. Good lord, what a child needs is confidence in grown-ups, not to fear them." In its condemnation of corporal punishment, the American Bar Association has pointed out that beating kids in school is "a form of child abuse." But the beat goes on. Nearly all European nations have ended corporal punishment in their schools. Yet in 24 states in this advanced nation, children are sometimes badly battered by adults who -- if they did that as parents of those children -- would have the kids taken away from them. ... Freedom and vomiting should never be taken for granted! * Origin: The Blind Pig, Seattle WA (1:343/96.0) --- * SLMR 2.1a * Origin: Sophia Education BBS, Creswell, OR (503) 942-9400 - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail & Blue Wave/TG v2.12 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCZ00002Date: 08/28/95 From: ALLEN COWLING Time: 12:30am \/To: BILL SWAN (Read 4 times) Subj: Still Here - Back Again BS>Hello, Al. As you saw from my previous note (due to pilot error, adapting BS>to the changes in the Fido board after its crash, it seems multiple copies BS>of my note went out -- sorry) I have been away. But I just got this note, BS>so I thought I'd reply to it as well. Hello Bill. For all the time I have had lately to respond to messages, my computers may as well have been down themselves . We are still plugging away at oursand with any luck at all, may have some results in about 3 months; that is to say, it may be over and my guy out of prison in 3 months. He has been there a year now and boy, talk about a family reunion . I expect they are ready. BS>I'm sorry you weren't able to make it this trip, but maybe it was as well. BS>I have been *so* booked up I'd not have had much time. A week ago this BS>computer (cygnus.wa.com) crashed hard while I was upgrading it from a '286 BS>to a '386 (the '386 wouldn't do anything but emit diagnostic beeps and the BS>'286 wouldn't recognize the hard drives any more...!) -- I had to send it BS>to the shop to get it all put right because I didn't have the time. Yea, I was real sorry too. There was never a question about coming until we got the call about the appeal deadline and as it happened, we made it back just in time. San Diego was beautiful. LA was busy , but we met a lot of fantastic people there and, with their help, finally got some smarts drilled into our thick skull. If it had not been for the folks we have met, there would have been no way in the world to have ever turned ours around. BS>Kathy has been maintaining our presence here; she's been to a couple of BS>churches to give talks, she's been down to Olympia to lobby, and she's BS>gone to Wenatchee to talk to the accused (and suspects) in the witch-hunt BS>there. Boy, that one turned into a real mess. I have been following the posts. BS>Just last week she was invited to a Republican district meeting. Our rial BS>judge was to speak; she is running for appellate judge and I gather this BS>was to kick off the campaign. She quickly discovered she'd run into a BS>whole crowd of Swan-supporters, who are not likely to support her BS>candidacy because of our case. Fortunately it's a contested race with a BS>good qualified attorney running. All I can say to that si FANTASTIC. Someone should have reminded her that "whatever goes around, comes around" . I bet Kathy was on cloud 9 with that one. BS>And our appeals pursuing our suits against the State for its illegal BS>actions are about to go to the U.S. Supreme Court. As the attorney says, BS>"One place, one time..." Well, you all have everyone's prayers and hopefully, the appeal will work. Say hi to Kathy and ya'll hang in there. Allen --- GEcho 1.00 OLX 2.1 TD I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? * Origin: Cowling BBS * Jackson, MS * (601) 373-7495 (1:3632/57) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCZ00003Date: 08/15/95 From: MATT GIWER Time: 11:19pm \/To: BILL SWAN (Read 4 times) Subj: Keri Jewel..witness? BS> MG> This is the wrong conference, go to civlib. BS> Actually, it was the lead-in for the Keri Jewel story, BS> Matt. In that case, read from the message I just entered in Politics. Origin: DOC'S - 0437 - Politics From: MATT GIWER Public To: MICHAEL SHIRLEY Date: 08/15/95 at 22:48 Re: Waco Truth emerges ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------------------- MS> MG>DD> Yep, and it was that rapist whom you're attempting to MS> MG>DD> whitewash who gets most of the blame for their deaths. MS> MG> Why is it you folks are so slackjawed you can't get MS> MG> beyond this ancient bit of horseshit? MS> You're forgetting something here. First, in this MS> country, like it or not, there is a social constant that MS> says that the accusation is the fact. Remember Ed Meese's MS> claim that the police don't arrest innocent people?? Speaking of Meese, can we get him back? Reno and Meese appear to be equal on the censorship and law and order issues but Meese was at least qualified for the job. MS> The second thing is that you're dealing with a MS> bunch of liberals who generally like gun control on the one MS> hand, and who at the same time would have been happily out MS> for blood if Waco-I and Waco-II had happened on the MS> Republican's watch. (And if Bush had been in office, there MS> would have been no difference in the outcome either, given MS> that what had happened was the result of policies which MS> were originally put in place during the Nixon MS> Administration, courtesy of Elliot Richardson and Rex MS> Davis.) MS> MS> That really puts them in a bind, because they are MS> in denial over the fact that the permanant government MS> behaved just exactly the same whether it was under a MS> Republican or Democratic Administration. To them, the only MS> way that they can deal with this is by denial and by making MS> the allegation that Koresh was a Pedophile, (which is MS> possible but unproven) to be the sole charge of MS> consequence, regardless of the other concerns in the case. MS> MS> In short, you're dealing with ideologues who are MS> running data through a reality filter and anything which MS> doesn't fit their model is getting filtered out. (Kinda MS> reminds me of the guys who supported Nixon in 72 and after. MS> Same thing really. They couldn't ever believe that their MS> guy pulled that kind of stuff so it didn't happen,.......) I have not gotten around to expressing it my way but yours is as any I have seen. It certainly is a problem now that they are the "law and order" party defending someone other than the poor criminal in need of rehabilitation. That is the one thing I have not heard them suggest for Koresh. Since they have been so "feeling" for mere drug dealers and mass murders there reservoir of hatred is channeled into a few selected areas, pedophilia being one of them, not paying child support another, all of it feminization of a political position. It also goes back to the "cannibal" syndrome, in every primitive tribe, the cannibals always lived over the next hill. Back when religious conflict was a big thing the other religion was always into child sacrifice. Today when it is psychology it is child abuse. When it is the TV tabloids everyone is into satanic ritual abuse just like in the Dark Ages. For a short time we had at least a rational respite in McCarthyism. At least one was or was not or had ever been a member. Today you can be a satan worshipper and have no way to disprove it. In the old days you could at least demand evidence of membership as in writing. Today, the same methods that help you remember being abducted by a UFO work for remember being abused. "Total Recall" in real life. That so many people are into unquestioning belief of such things and it always has been a hot button going back to biblical times it is not surprising that the allegation can be made and used to justify anything. What I find of interest is that they are either so stupid as not to realize what they are doing or are pandering preachers who know what they are doing and those listening are taken in. It is such an obvious con game that it makes McCarthy look quite desirable. At least McCarthy didn't get anyone killed. (I will be waiting for a particular response to this statement. Don't comment on it, wait for it.) --- * RM 1.3 01261 * To be a Founding Father, they had to write like Bill uckley <*> BS> MG> These days, "for the children," justifies anything, ask the BS> MG> McMartins. BS> Don't I know it. A sheltered life. In California, a preschool where children were not only "molested" but hundreds of them were, the pshch was creating the memories, some nine million dollars and seven years. Tunnels were alleged and never a tunnel found. Absolutely zero tangible evidence ever at any time. HBO has a two hour dramatization on it, better than their usual work. About what I remember from the papers. I didn't have the time to follow it closely as it was happening. * RM 1.3 01261 * And I'll be Beetoven. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Doc's Place In The Ghetto! 813-822-4637 (1:3603/140.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CC^00000Date: 08/28/95 From: DON HERMAN Time: 07:42am \/To: ZAYNAB RICHMOND (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Citizens For Justice Hello Zaynab, ZR>DH> I have edited out most of the letter but the complaint of Mr. Peters s ZR>DH> that he is incarcerated for a crime which he did not commit. The ZR>DH> following is his list of people he has contacted, seeking help in ZR>DH> gaining redress for preceived wrongs, and their responses: (snip).... ZR>DH> 46. LOS ANGELES TIMES Never any response. ZR>DH> 47. SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER Never any response. ZR>DH> 48. 60 MINUTES They have not bothered to respond. ZR>DH> 49. THE OLYMPIAN NEWSPAPER No response, I called too, they hang up hen ZR>DH> they find out who I am. ZR>DH> ZR>DH> So, if you know other places to write to, it would help conserve ZR>DH> my limited resorces,,if you know an honest attorney who is available, ZR>After all those non-responses, this guy must be very frustrated! What is he ZR>imprisoned for? My belief is that going to the news media may be the best w ZR>to bring attention to his plight. Talk and information shows sometimes will ZR>help. Here are a few addresses. Also, leaving messages in AOL and Compuser ZR>type areas set up by the shows will help get messages to them. Thank you very much for your response. I would say, by the appearance of his letters, that Mr. Peters is frustrated alright. I am not exactly sure what he is in prison for. He talks in generalities and says he does not have court records, etc., to back his claim. He indicates he has been in prison most of the last 20 years and admits to having been involved in wrongdoing in the past. But he also asserts that *this* time he is innocent and, although there is no way for me to tell for sure, he sure makes a lot of noise for a guilty party. ZR>He can also try president@whitehouse.gov.... I recently wrote there and ot ZR>response via email, then two follow up letters, one from an employee of he ZR>president and one from another agency that my problem was referred to. This ZR>may not look like much but I think getting the top levels of government to ZR>help with referrals does give our problems more attention. He can't try president@whitehouse.gov because prisoners do not have Internet access. But I will forward a copy of your message to him and he can try those. I believe he already had contacted 60 minutes. Then I am going to see what he does with those and what kind of replies I get from him. (snip).... Thanks again for the input. Don * SLMR 2.1a * Origin: Sophia Education BBS, Creswell, OR (503) 942-9400 - JetMail v1.20*6 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: PEACHY KEENO INN BBS * Tacoma,Wa * (206)539-0804 (1:138/190.1)