--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCM00001Date: 08/15/95 From: RICK THOMA Time: 01:07pm \/To: DON HERMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Missed communications Originally to Roger Brown: > I have left a couple messages here for you and I am concerned that > you have not answered. I hope you have not fallen prey to evil > forces or anything. I don't know what the problem is, Don. Seems you two can't seem to establish a reliable feed via this conference. As others may have also missed his postings, allow me to forward Rogers replies to you, in the hope they'll find their way to you from this address. --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Williamsburg, VA U.S.A. (1:271/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCM00002Date: 08/15/95 From: RICK THOMA Time: 01:06pm \/To: DON HERMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Interview * Forwarded from "VFALSAC" * Originally by Roger Brown * Originally to Don Herman * Originally dated 9 Aug 1995, 23:11 DH>Guess the move slowed me up somewhat. I am starting on the DH>disk today and will mail it as soon as possible. It is good to hear your move went well. I look forward to getting you disk. I could use some cosmic releaf. Never did I imagine that I would be working full time writing motions, interrogatories, and sundry other legal documents at my age. The major comfort I find in doing this is my belief that the accounts of near death experiences are correct and these people will have to experience every pain they have caused to others. --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Williamsburg, VA U.S.A. (1:271/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCM00003Date: 08/15/95 From: RICK THOMA Time: 01:06pm \/To: DON HERMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Interview * Forwarded from "VFALSAC" * Originally by Roger Brown * Originally to Don Herman * Originally dated 9 Aug 1995, 23:19 DH>The bad news is that somehow I misplaced the print out with DH>your address DH>on it. DH>Would you please re-post your address, and maybe toggle DH>private, on this DH>conference for me. I would like to get this in the mail to DH>you, as too DH>much time has passed on this project with nothing happening DH>(my fault). [ Certainly. I do not mind posting the address. It is a PO Box. The Post Office has instructions to watch for mail from the Unibomber. Actually, I know one of employees from some speaking engagements. He watches out for me. The secret address is: James Roger Brown P.O. Box 2075 North Little Rock, AR 72115 I look forward to getting the disk. I will open no mind before its time! --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Williamsburg, VA U.S.A. (1:271/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCM00004Date: 08/16/95 From: GEORGE HERO Time: 09:35pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: For your info... ======================================================================== Forwarded here by George Hero (1:396/17.27) ======================================================================== Area: NETMAIL Date: 15 Aug 95 22:57:47 Private From: tgrant@COMTCH.IEA.COM (396/17) To: George Hero (396/17) Subject: Wenatchee prosecutor ======================================================================== bigmuddy.jaxx.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA07294 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:03:35 GMT uddy.jaxx.com> (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6786; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:59:45 -0400 From: Tom Grant Subject: Wenatchee prosecutor A development in the so-called Wenatchee child sex ring cases seems to parallel that of McMartin. The prosecutor who lost the case against Sunday school teacher Honna Sims has apparently left his job. Although I've been trying for four days, I can reach neither the prosecutor nor his boss. Yet I have confirmed it through other sourches. Insiders believe this deputy prosecutor was fired in part because he lost the Sims case. But as I've said before, he did not lose the case because he did a poor job of presenting the evidence. It seemed to me he lost the case because he didn't have any evidence. Now it appears he's being made a scapegoat. Tom Tom Grant tgrant@comtch.iea.com Reporter, KREM-TV, PO Box 8037, Spokane, WA 99202 Phone: 509-838-7373 -+- GIGO+ sn 234 at nopc vsn 0.99.950303 --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: George.Hero@nopc.org (1:396/17.27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCN00000Date: 08/15/95 From: VALERY FROSTY Time: 12:14am \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Daryl 8/14/95 Hello Everyone, Daryl went to court today and the judge declared him a ward of the state. The judge ruled that Daryl will remain in Juvenile Hall until his placement comes through (probably around the end of August). He is being placed in either a group home or an institution for a minimum of 1 year, and possibly as long as 18 months so that he can get the emotional help that he needs. Daryl is a very talented long distance runner and he wanted to stay in a track program. We felt that was essential for him so we requested that for him as well. The court APPROVED, so Daryl will be placed somewhere with a track program. He is quite happy about that and so are we. Daryl has to go through some interviews with various group homes or agencies in order to find the *right* place for him. We don't know exactly where he is going yet, but he is definately going! Daryl is in great spirits. He is relieved that he will finally get the help he needs and that the court has made a decision in his case. He is getting along well at Juvenile Hall and likes the rigid structure that it provides. He has been following the rules and finally advanced a level which allows him to have extra privileges - like being allowed to do work details (that's a privilege), staying up until 10:30 pm (rather than 9:30), being allowed to raid the refrigerator (that's a BIG plus for him), and extra free time. As long as he stays out of trouble he will continue to have those privileges. He wanted me to tell everyone that he is doing just fine. Needless to say, we are all very happy about the outcome. Michelle is aware of the situation and when she found out that Daryl will have a track program to participate in, she was happy about it. I think she was having a difficult time believing that Daryl was not being punished. The track program convinced her that it would really be okay and that Daryl wasn't in trouble. She seems to be okay with it now. That's all for now. More on the other situation later in the week. Val ~~~ ReneWave v1.00.wb2 (unregistered) --- Mankind = One Family * Origin: Family Rights Advocacy Online (510) 439-0712 (1:161/19) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCN00001Date: 08/15/95 From: DON FROSTY Time: 08:36pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Background Info Here is the background information that many people have asked for in order to have a better understanding of how our situation came about. I hope you find it helpful. Valery can't discuss this because of the gag order, but I can and will. The truth is our only defense. In 1979, my oldest son Daniel was kidnapped and raped. My wife (now ex-wife) and I were seperated at the time, the boys were with her. My ex never checked Daniel to see if anything happened to him during the 13 hours he was missing. She didn't take him to a doctor or bathe him or anything. She just put him to bed. Daniel was only 4. I wasn't allowed to be there so there wasn't anything I could have done. If I had been there, I would have taken Daniel to a doctor, just to be on the safe side. No one knew what happened to Daniel until 1992. If we had known this in 1979, maybe the rest of this could been avoided. (My ex and I got back together again later.) In 1984, Daryl (4) destroyed his bed by jumping on it. For the next couple of months he shared a bed with Daniel (9). Daniel then *tried* to "act out" what had happened to him, and Daryl was his target. Daryl never told on Daniel, so I still didn't know. According to both boys, there were two or three incidents between them during that time. Somewhere between 1988 and 1990, Daryl introduced Michelle to a game they called "playing house", where he was the daddy and Michelle was the mommy. They "played house" on a few occasions during that time period. Michelle would have been between 3 and 5 years old. Daryl was between 9 and 11 years old. We don't know exactly WHEN this took place. According to both kids, my ex was watching TV in the living room each time that they "played house" and she never once got up to check on them. I was busy working three jobs, so I didn't know what was going on when I wasn't home. In February 1991, my ex left, saying that she no longer wanted to be a mother or a wife. She has not been a part of their lives ever since. On occasion she will write or call. Val has called and written to my ex-wife many times begging her to have contact with her children on a regular basis, but without any success. Sometimes almost a whole year has passed before my ex-wife contacts the kids again. The kids can call her anytime they want but they usually get an answering machine and seldom get a return call. I had the kids in counseling from March 1991 to July 1991 to help them deal with the loss of their mother. The sexualized behavior was not discovered in counseling. In September 1991, Val and I got back together (after 18 years apart). The kids and I moved from Kentucky to California to be with Val and her kids. Together we started blending our two families into one. In January 1992, Michelle told Val and I about "playing house" with Daryl. Val was a victim of sexual abuse and had previously done extensive research on the subject because of her ordeal. She knew that Daryl probably had something similar happen to him. She questioned Daryl about it (I was too stunned to do it) and Val found out about Daryl and Daniel. Later we both talked to Daniel and we found out what happened to him. Michelle was 6, Daryl was 12, and Daniel was 16. We got Daryl and Michelle into counseling and they were in counseling for a year. The counselor's then state that this "would never happen again". Daniel refused counseling, and there was no way that we could physically force him to go - so we worked with him at home using tips from sexual survivor's groups and counselor's. In May 1994, Daryl and Michelle repeated their previous behavior. I was at work and Val was at school. Val left the twins in charge of Michelle. We have never left Daryl in charge of Michelle because we were still afraid that something *might* happen. While we were gone, the twins (14) left the house to play with their friends down the street. They thought that since Daryl was older, he could watch Michelle. That gave Daryl and Michelle an opportunity, and they took it. Daryl had just turned 15 and Michelle had just turned 9. (Does anyone else see the significance of the age 9 here? All the kids engaged in this behavior at age 9, or thereabouts.) One of the twins, Travis, came home while Daryl and Michelle were "playing house". Travis opened Michelle's door and saw Daryl and Michelle, fully clothed, engaged in what is called "inappropriate touching". He didn't know what to do so he shut the door and walked away (psychological testing proved that Travis is at about an 11 year old level due to learning problems). Later on, Michelle approached Travis and told him that if he didn't do the same thing Daryl did, that she would tell me that Travis had tried to rape her. We believe this was Daryl's idea in order to keep Travis from telling on them. Travis knew that Michelle would do what she said (we know it too). Travis did go into Michelle's room with her but when Michelle tried to get him to do what Daryl did, Travis pushed her away and told her "NO". For some reason he didn't tell and we didn't find out til August 1994. Michelle had been very upset during that time period because her mother had forgotten her birthday (she remembered Daryl's the month before). Michelle says she felt that if she behaved that way, it would make her feel more loved and that would make her happy even if her real mom had forgotten about her. Michelle and Daryl both agree that Michelle brought up the idea of "playing house" (they were talked to seperately and didn't have the opportunity to agree on a story). We put Daryl into a school counseling program in September 1994. In November, Daryl told the director of the program that he and Travis had been having sex with Michelle. Medical reports have since proven that no actual sex took place, but by then Children's Protective Services had already taken Michelle from her school and placed her in a foster home. We have been fighting to Michelle home ever since. She was taken November 28, 1994. This is the situation we have been dealing with. We have no problem letting people know the situation. We even asked DATELINE to do a story on it but because it involves sexual abuse, they won't touch it. Val is writing a book about it though, and she has a publisher lined up already. We aren't ashamed of our children. We understand the situation, and we certainly don't condone their behavior, but we aren't ashamed of them and we don't want them to be ashamed either. That's why we're willing to talk about it. These kids have some really serious problems, but not because of us. We're just the ones picking up the pieces and trying to help them get on with their lives. Don ~~~ ReneWave v1.00.wb2 (unregistered) --- Mankind = One Family * Origin: Family Rights Advocacy Online (510) 439-0712 (1:161/19) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCN00002Date: 08/15/95 From: VALERY FROSTY Time: 08:44pm \/To: BILL SWAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Daryl 7/31/95 Hi Bill! BS> Thank you for our declaration of support! It really helps, even now BS> when, because there has been so much inaction for so long, it seems BS> likes it's all over -- and lost. But we _are_ keeping up the fight, BS> and hope to be back in the legal arena before the year is out. Believe me, I know just how important it is to have the support. Regardless of the circumstances, all of these cases are devasting and the support from others is so vital if we are going to continue to fight. I must admit that there are days when I feel like giving up, and for the day I do. But after a few hours of sleep I come back fighting even harder than before. By the way, I don't know if you remember her or not, but a very good friend of mine, Linda Martin, is the one who told me of your case. She even supplied me with articles, and she is still supporting you even though you haven't heard from her in a very long time. BS> I read your letter to the judge. I can't tell you how much I am BS> shocked, horrified, sympathetic... Thank you for the sympathy, and I understand the shock and horror. There has been some requests for background information on the kids that Don and I feel will help clarify how our situation came to be. Don is posting it, since I can't. BS> I work weekends on a contract software job. This involves working BS> Saturday and Sunday in a friend's basement where the device being BS> programmed is located; ... Hmmmm. What kind of programming are you doing and what type of device is it? Just curious! I was one of the programmers who programmed the PATH subway system in New York City. In fact, my control panels were installed at the World Trade Center just a couple of months before the bombing there. I've also done process controls for Chevron pilot plants, water purification plants, and things of that nature. BS> ... I see daily the interactions among his family. Their son, a year BS> or two younger than Daryl, seems to be developing along similar lines, Bs> though he is not as threatening. Daryl didn't start becoming threatening until just a few months ago. Then he would tower over me and flex his mucles and clench and unclench his fists in an effort to intimidate me. BS> They have (had) him in various counseling and I don't know what else. Same here: counseling, a church group, Boy Scouts, work, etc... BS> The boy is *bright* (as are his genius-level parents), BS> he pegs the IQ tests, he is able to follow simple rules but... he just BS> doesn't seem to connect anything other than immediate cause-and-effect. At least that's an improvement over Daryl. Daryl's IQ is about 118, but he either has no common sense, or he simply doesn't care. Consequences didn't matter to him as long as he got to do what he wanted. He only followed the rules when he felt like it. Perhaps this kid has a better chance than Daryl. I sure hope so. BS> *I* can see that if he's not careful he could wind up in prison; I've BS> known many of his ilk there. That's exactly what we're afraid of in Daryl's case. A great deal of our concern is WHAT will Daryl do to cause himself to be put in prison. WHO will he hurt and HOW? We are terrified for his future victims and their families if Daryl can't turn his life around now. Yet despite our concern, there is little that we can do, and we can't walk ahead of him his whole life warning people to stay away from him. It doesn't help assuage our fears to have his counselor tell us that Daryl will probably spend the majority of his adult years behind bars. I sure hope your friends son can turn himself around now. Have they tried ToughLove? It didn't help us much with Daryl, but perhaps they can help your friend and his son. We went to ToughLove for about a year, but even they were at a loss as to how to deal with Daryl because their suggestions weren't effective on him. At the end, they simply told us that in time Daryl would either straighten up be get caught in the system, and that is precisely what happened. In Wyoming I was a peer support counselor at the State Pen for parents that REALLY did abuse their children and were incarcerated for that reason. I've dealt with some of the inmates, and I know what they are like. I could see Daryl in many of them, and that does terrify me. BS> I cannot tell you how much anguish I see this causing his parents. I understand. Do they know about the PROBLEM-CHILD echo on FidoNet? That would offer them a lot of support that they could probably use right now. BS> Then I turn around and there is your case and your anguish... BS> Valery, I don't know what to say but: stay strong; you'll make it. I know we'll make it, it's just hard as h@ll in the meantime. You hang in there too! Together, we can all make a difference, AND WE WILL! Val ~~~ ReneWave v1.00.wb2 (unregistered) --- Mankind = One Family * Origin: Family Rights Advocacy Online (510) 439-0712 (1:161/19) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCP00000Date: 08/16/95 From: RICK THOMA Time: 11:59pm \/To: GEORGE HERO (Read 4 times) Subj: Victory! > . . . grandfather of McMartin, was overturned by the California > Fifth District Court of Appeals in an 85 page decision which was > highly critical of the investigative techniques, the coercive, > suggestive, interrogation of the children, and the trial court > judge. . . How would one obtain a copy of this decision? As always, ASCII prefered, but this may be worth having someone type up as companion to the San Diego Grand Jury findings. Also, *who* is the California Appelate Judge that told *what* Grand Jury that he had no doubt that hundreds of innocents are in jail charged with such offences? Transcript available? --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Williamsburg, VA U.S.A. (1:271/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCP00001Date: 08/17/95 From: RICK THOMA Time: 12:10am \/To: GEORGE HERO (Read 4 times) Subj: Victory! > Since 1983, the following individuals in the United States have > been charged, tried, convicted and/or imprisoned for sexual > crimes against children. > Their cases contain compelling evidence that accusations and > guilty verdits malpractice, prosecutorial misconduct or > malfeasance. . . Is there a means whereby we may correspond with them? I can't imagine what they must be suffering, and I speculate that knowing that they aren't entirely forgotten may aid them in maintaining some margin of hope. According to Amnesty International, this type of correspondence does much to help maintain the spirits of political prisoners, a form of which some of these people may very well be. --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Williamsburg, VA U.S.A. (1:271/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCP00002Date: 08/17/95 From: RICK THOMA Time: 12:21am \/To: BILL SWAN (Read 4 times) Subj: re: corresponding w/accused Bill: I gather that you have done some counseling of prisoners, and was wondering what your feelings are regarding corresponding with those individuals mentioned in the list posted by George Hero. As much time as some of us spend in these conferences, it stands to reason that we could readily find a few minutes to exchange a letter with someone we believe to have been falsely imprisoned. To take this a step further, Amnesty International has a program wherein they select, by some means, a political prisoner on a monthly basis, launching a letter writing campaign on his/her behalf. I am wondering what your thoughts might be regarding the similar implementation of such a program by one or another of the groups involved on the side of the issue addressed by this conference? --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: Williamsburg, VA U.S.A. (1:271/124)