--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CC400003Date: 08/02/95 From: GEORGE HERO Time: 07:24pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: More Morgan bill stuff cont. ======================================================================== Forwarded here by George Hero (1:396/17.27) ======================================================================== Area: NETMAIL Date: 01 Aug 95 11:48:38 Private From: Paul.W.Bridges@SNC.COM (396/17) To: George Hero (396/17) Subject: Morgan Bill HR 1855 [2] ======================================================================== >> CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE << He would not consider allowing Fathers Are Parents Too, Inc. to have representation at the hearing in addition to the three who were to testify against of the bill. He also would not address why the federal government was using time, money and energy of the taxpayers to address this particular DC domestic issue. If HR 1855 passes from the subcommittee, then the bill will go to the full committee of which I do not have their names and states yet. Should it continue to pass, it goes to the House floor, and over to the Senate. Stu had previously posted the following: The Bill has been referred to the Committee for Government Reform and Oversight - Subcommittee for the District of Columbia - Tom Davis (R-VA) Chairman. CHOB=Cannon House Office Building; LHOB=Longworth House Office Building; RHOB=Rayburn House Office Building; ALL MEMBERS ARE IN THE (202) AREA CODE and their addresses are: The Honorable____________ United States House of Representatives Washington, D.C. 20515 Room Phone Fax Tom Davis (R-VA) Chairman - 415 CHOB 225-1492 225-3071 Gil Gutknecht (R-MN) - 425 CHOB 225-2472 225-3246 Michael Patrick Flanagan (R-IL) - 1407 LHOB 225-4061 225-3128 John McHugh (R-NY) - 416 CHOB 225-4611 226-0621 (corrected) Steven LaTourette (R-OH) - 1508 LHOB 225-5731 225-3307 Eleanor Holmes Norton - (D-DC) - 1424 LHOB 225-8050 225-3002 Chaka Fattah - (D-PA) - 1205 LHOB 225-4001 (refuses to give out numer) Barbara-Rose Collins (D-MI) - 2308 RHOB 225-5006 225-6645 Thanks to all who work to defeat this bill. Warmly, Paul W. Bridges -+- GIGO+ sn 234 at nopc vsn 0.99.950303 --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: George.Hero@nopc.org (1:396/17.27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CC400004Date: 08/02/95 From: GEORGE HERO Time: 07:25pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Morgan Bill in congress ======================================================================== Forwarded here by George Hero (1:396/17.27) ======================================================================== Area: NETMAIL Date: 02 Aug 95 11:34:53 Private From: Paul.W.Bridges@SNC.COM (396/17) To: George Hero (396/17) Subject: Congressional Alert ======================================================================== bigmuddy.jaxx.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA14133 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:43:11 GMT igmuddy.jaxx.com> (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0225; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:45:02 -0400 From: "Paul W. Bridges" Subject: Congressional Alert du/S=free-l/@southern.scsnet.com I got this from Stu, but if it posted on FREE, I missed it during my technical difficulties. This sub comm meeting is the one that Davis refused to allow a fathers group to testify at. paul.w.bridges@snc.com CONGRESSIONAL ALERT - H.R. 1855 "The Elizabeth Morgan Bill" - Introduced by Tom Davis (R-VA) Chairman The Subcommittee on the District of Columbia will be holding hearings with six (6) Witnesses FOR and three (3) AGAINST the bill which, if passed, will allow Elizabeth Morgan to return to the United States of America after she has sexually molested her daughter, falsely accused the father of doing the same, (he was found NOT GUILTY, six times!) had her parents abduct the child to New Zealand, has never obeyed ANY Order of the court (here or in New Zealand... where she was stripped of custody for disobeying their court orders, too). The Bill will allow Elizabeth Morgan to return to the United States, have sole custody of the child she has molested and she will not have to obey any court order that was ever issued or ever allow the father to visit his daughter. WRITE TO CONGRESS . . . N O W ! PLEASE NOTE THAT MOTHER's GROUPS ARE REPRESENTED and that FATHER's GROUPS ARE CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT - (although they asked to testify) Witnesses will be: Panel 1 Hillary Foretich (via video-conferencing, if available) Panel 2 Rep. Connie Morella (R-MD) Rep. Susan Molinari (R-NY) Panel 3 Dr. Eric Foretich - the Father Dr. Hollida Wakefield - Institute for Psychological Therapies Dr. Jonathan Turley - Prof. of Law - GWU Panel 4 Mr. Robert Morgan Mr. Antonia Morgan Panel 5 Hon. Charles Gill - Circuit Court - State of Connecticut David Harmer, Esquire Panel 6 Ms. Susan Hall - Alliance for the Rights of Children Ms. Nieltje Gedney - Committee for Mother and Child Rights American Fathers Coalition 2000 Pennsylvania Ave., Ste. 148 Washington, D.C. 20006 (202) F-A-T-H-E-R-S {202-328-4377} -+- GIGO+ sn 234 at nopc vsn 0.99.950303 --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: George.Hero@nopc.org (1:396/17.27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CC400005Date: 08/02/95 From: GEORGE HERO Time: 07:32pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Morgan bill hr 1855 ======================================================================== Forwarded here by George Hero (1:396/17.27) ======================================================================== Attached is an copy of HR 1855 104th CONGRESS 1st Session To amend title 11, District of Columbia Code, to restrict the authority of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia over certain pending cases involving child custody and visitation rights. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES June 15, 1995 Mr. Davis (for himself, Mrs. Morella, and Mr. Wolf) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Government Reform and Oversight A BILL To amend title 11, District of Columbia Code, to restrict the authority of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia over certain pending cases involving child custody and visitation rights. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN PENDING CHILD CUSTODY CASES IN SUPERIOR COURT OF DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. (a) In General: Subchapter II of chapter 9 of title 11, District of Columbia Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new section: `Sec. 11-925. Rules regarding certain pending child custody cases `(a) In any pending case involving custody over a minor child or the visitation rights of a parent of a minor child in the Superior Court which is described in subsection (b)-- `(1) at any time after the child attains 13 years of age, the party to the case who is described in subsection (b)(1) may not have custody over, or visitation rights with, the child without the child's consent; and `(2) if any person had actual or legal custody over the child or offered safe refuge to the child while the case (or other actions relating to the case) was pending, the court may not deprive the person of custody or visitation rights over the child or otherwise impose sanctions on the person on the grounds that the person had such custody or offered such refuge. `(b) A case described in this subsection is a case in which-- `(1) the child asserts that a party to the case has been sexually abusive with the child; `(2) the child has resided outside of the United States for not less than 24 consecutive months; `(3) any of the parties to the case has denied custody or visitation to another party in violation of an order of the court for not less than 24 consecutive months; and `(4) any of the parties to the case has lived outside of the District of Columbia during such period of denial of custody or visitation.'. (b) Clerical Amendment: The table of sections for subchapter II of chapter 9 of title 11, D.C. Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new item: (c) Effective Date: (1) In general: The amendments made by this section shall apply to cases brought in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia before, on, or after the date of the enactment of this Act. (2) Continuation of provisions until termination: The provisions of section 11-925, District of Columbia Code (as added by subsection (a)), shall apply to any case described in paragraph (1) until the termination of the case. --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: George.Hero@nopc.org (1:396/17.27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCB00000Date: 08/02/95 From: DON FROSTY Time: 08:12pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Court/Michelle 8/2/95 Well, I guess it's time for another update on our case with Michelle. The gag order is still in place for Valery, so she still can't talk. Anyway, here's what happened in court today. We started the contested hearing today and brought out some facts about the foster mother limiting phone calls between us and Michelle, how Social Services was aware of our problems with Daryl (meaning they agreed - to our face - that out of home placement would be a good idea but did not offer to help us do it, which they COULD/SHOULD have done), that Daryl is out of the home - and in our belief - he will be out of the home permanently, that the majority of the emotional upheaval in our family has been caused by Daryl, and that Valery and I have done everything that was asked of us by CPS and that we have tried to further our cause by asking for assistance from other agencies, including the President of the United States. It seems that CPS somehow got a copy of a letter that Valery sent to the President's office in December of last year. We have no idea how they got it, but they did, and they tried to use it against Valery. Luckily her attorney was able to turn it around in our favor. Due - in part - to other cases being handled during the course of our case (two interruptions for other cases and a 1 and 1/2 hour delay getting into court), we were not able to finish today. The - other part - is that the court wants to wait and see what is going to happen to Daryl, where he is going, and how long he will be gone. Chances are the case would not have been resolved today anyway, but the fact that it is being delayed in part because of Daryl is very disconcerting, especially since we have no control over what the court decides to do with Daryl. The court still has the option to return Daryl home (against our wishes) and it would be used against us if that were to happen. The delay can work against us, or it can work for us. Val's attorney did a good job of setting a positive tone in the court for us and putting CPS on the defensive. Now, the 16 day delay will temper the tone we had already set, simply by there being a passage of time. On the other hand, it will give us time to resolve the issue with Daryl and to get up to date recommendations from the therapists. The present recommendations are almost three months old now. So that COULD go in our favor, but one of the stumbling blocks is Michelle's counselor, and since she (the counselor) favors the foster mother (possibly due to more contact with her) we aren't sure which way things are going to go. But if push comes to shove, we have the means to discredit this particular counselor, and our attorney's will do so if necessary. One interesting thing to note is that towards the end of the hearing today the Judge called all of the attorney's into chambers. While they were having their little discussion, the social worker on our case (the one that had been on our case) came up to Val and I and told us, "Why don't you just call the counselor to the stand and get her to change her mind and that way you can get your daughter home? We have to do what the counselors say and right now our hands are tied." I said that was up to our attorneys, not us. I don't think the social worker enjoys being on the witness stand, especially when Val's attorney is questioning his methods, his mistakes, and his ommissions (like failing to state in his report to the court that Michelle has repeatedly asked to go home). I guess that's about it. I could go into a lot of details but I'm really beat (I think I'm coming down with something). We'll keep you posted. Don ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Camphor Fountain*(510)439-0712*Pittsburg,CA (1:161/19) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCB00001Date: 08/03/95 From: BOB HIRSCHFELD Time: 08:27am \/To: VALERY FROSTY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: NASVO/VOCAL Conference > Excerpt from THE NASVO NEWS: > 1995 NATIONAL NASVO/VOCAL CONFERENCE; TUCSON, AZ > VOCAL/NASVO is proud to announce it's eleventh annual National > Conference, > to be held at the beautiful EMBASSY SUITES, located at the Tucson > International Airport, in sunny Tucson, Arizona. You left out the most important detail: THE DATE(S) OF THE CONVENTION??????? --- DB 1.58/004910 * Origin: Bob Hirschfeld, Moderator, FidoNet VFALSAC Echo (1:114/74.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCB00002Date: 08/03/95 From: GEORGE HERO Time: 10:23pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: For your info... ======================================================================== Forwarded here by George Hero (1:396/17.27) ======================================================================== Area: NETMAIL Date: 03 Aug 95 10:32:27 Private From: tgrant@COMTCH.IEA.COM (396/17) To: George Hero (396/17) Subject: Wenatchee: Hidalgo case ======================================================================== bigmuddy.jaxx.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04644 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:05:36 GMT muddy.jaxx.com> (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6865; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:32:02 -0400 From: Tom Grant Subject: Wenatchee: Hidalgo case Another trial in the so-called Wenatchee child sex ring case is underway. Manuel Hidalgo Rodriguez is being tried for molesting two children. His wife is the older sister of the 11-year-old girl (D.E.) now in foster care with the chief investigator of the sex ring cases, Detective Robert Perez. (Hidalgo's wife, Donna, is awaiting trial on a similar charge.) Hidalgo speaks very little English. Hidalgo was accused in April of molesting M.E., a 12-year-old girl who is the sister of D.E. and who was also placed in the Perez foster home in June. However, on Monday, the day before Hidalgo's trial was to start, the prosecutor amended the complaint to add another victim, D.E. She apparently remembered sometime in July that Hidalgo had molested her, too. The public defender representing Hidalgo asked to have the trial postponed so he could prepare to defend against the new charges, but the motion was denied. The public defender has not been authorized to purchase the transcripts of testimony given by Detective Perez or the victims in previous trials. At this point, it is not apparent that the public defender has availed himself of the research done by other attorneys and investigators on this case. I have been told by his senior partner that they do not plan to call any expert witnesses. And some people close to the defense are afraid that Hidalgo's chances for aquittal are slim. So far, the prosecution has called the two girls, Detective Perez, a medical expert, some other police officers and a CPS worker. The 12-year-old girl didn't mention that Hidalgo had abused her until she was being interviewed by defense attorneys in another case. She has been in therapy since late last year. According to a letter from her therapist last January, the girl was suffering from "volitional suppression" of her memories of being sexually abused. The therapist said she would help the girl overcome this volitional suppression, however, and apparently the treatment worked. The 11-year-old girl did not mention Hidalgo until July, despite dozens of interviews with police (including her foster father) between January and July. She apparently did not mention Hidalgo's abuse to her counselor, her caseworker or anyone else during years of prior questioning about sexual abuse, either. The prosecution has introduced medical evidence from an exam done on D.E. in 1992. Hidalgo apparently did not even know anyone in the girl's family at the time, but the prosecution is going to dispute that, based on the girls' testimony. The medical evidence was used in a 1992 trial to show that she had damage to her hymen "consistent with digital penetration." Digital penetration was the charge against another Hispanic male, Abel Lopez, that was brought when the girl was only seven years old. Now the doctor has testified that she had damage to her hymen consistent with penetration by a blunt object, either a finger or a penis. (I have shown that medical report to Dr. Lee Coleman, and he said the damage to the hymen was also consistent no physical abuse. However, I do not believe the defense in Hidalgo's case plans to bring an expert on this point.) I am told that Hidalgo has tried to fire his attorney. And people in Wenatchee have put up $10,000 to hire a new one for him. But the judge has also ruled against that. His trial is expected to be completed this week. But that may depend on the length of the defense. Tom Grant Tom Grant tgrant@comtch.iea.com Reporter, KREM-TV, PO Box 8037, Spokane, WA 99202 Phone: 509-838-7373 -+- GIGO+ sn 234 at nopc vsn 0.99.950303 --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: George.Hero@nopc.org (1:396/17.27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCB00003Date: 08/06/95 From: KEN PANGBORN Time: 09:26am \/To: BOB HIRSCHFELD (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: NASVO/VOCAL Conferenc Hey Bob - what's the status of your licence to practice law? I've heard some sad rumors. Can you fill us in? --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: MercOpus * Internet FTP/Archie/News * 813-321-0734 (1:3603/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCB00004Date: 08/05/95 From: BILL SWAN Time: 08:26am \/To: MATT GIWER (Read 2 times) Subj: Keri Jewel..witness? MG> ############# Original From: MARC BLITZ MG>It's becomming aparent thet the testamony of Kari Jewel at the Waco MG>hearings is a sham. Keri told of molestation by David Koresh, when she was MG>10 years old. She told a horror story of abuse, and the committee lapped t MG>up without checking her veracity. MG>In a story in the London Sunday Telegraph, reporters found that when the MG>alleged incident occured, she was living with her mother and grandmother n MG>California, not at Waco. MG>[...] Stay tuned.... Another, ah, jewel missed by the press (I caught wind of it on a radio show, and later found it buried deep within newspaper report -- excluded from other in this area) was one of the reasons Janet Reno gave for the pressing need to wrap up the standoff: She claimed they had reports that an "armed militia" was preparing to descend upon Waco, either to free Koresh or to do him in. The press has been absolutely silent on this claim. It would be two years (to the day :-) before the militia movement was of much concern to anyone, much less the (armed) government. Yet she was able to raise this bugaboo unquestioned. One question I have: I was not following the reports prior to the attack very closely (I had other concerns closer to home), but I do not ever recall reading or hearing any reports of child abuse at the compound *before* the fire. I am sure I would have remembered such, given a certain sensitivity to the issue. Do any of you recall such reports *before* the administration felt they needed a cover-up? MG>The foregoing crosspost was made by Moderator Bob Hirschfeld; however, it MG>should be read with considerable skepticism as to its origin and/or MG>truthfulness. The crossposting is consistent with the topicality of the MG>VFALSAC Echo. Thank you, Bob! * OLX 2.1 TD * Hello, I am citizen number |X||||X||X||X||! --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Sea East PC Exchange (1:343/15) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCB00005Date: 08/05/95 From: BILL SWAN Time: 08:45am \/To: VALERY FROSTY (Read 2 times) Subj: Daryl 7/31/95 Valery, Thank you for our declaration of support! It really helps, even now when, because there has been so much inaction for so long, it seems likes it's all over -- and lost. But we _are_ keeping up the fight, and hope to be back in the legal arena before the year is out. I read your letter to the judge. I can't tell you how much I am shocked, horrified, sympathetic... I work weekends on a contract software job. This involves working Saturday and Sunday in a friend's basement where the device being programmed is located; I see daily the interactions among his family. Their son, a year or two younger than Daryl, seems to be developing along similar lines, though he is not as threatening. They have (had) him in various counseling and I don't know what else. The boy is *bright* (as are his genius-level parents), he pegs the IQ tests, he is able to follow simple rules but... he just doesn't seem to connect anything other than immediate cause-and-effect. *I* can see that if he's not careful he could wind up in prison; I've known many of his ilk there. I cannot tell you how much anguish I see this to be causing his parents. Then I turn around and there is your case and your anguish... Valery, I don't know what to say but: stay strong; you'll make it. -Bill * OLX 2.1 TD * Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Sea East PC Exchange (1:343/15) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 210 VICTIMS/FALSEACC Ref: CCB00006Date: 08/05/95 From: BILL SWAN Time: 08:55am \/To: GEORGE HERO (Read 2 times) Subj: For your info... GH>; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:05:36 GMT GH>From: Tom Grant GH>Subject: Wenatchee: Hidalgo case GH> Another trial in the so-called Wenatchee child sex ring case is GH>underway. Manuel Hidalgo Rodriguez is being tried for [...] GH> I am told that Hidalgo has tried to fire his attorney. And people in GH>Wenatchee have put up $10,000 to hire a new one for him. But the judge has GH>also ruled against that. GH> His trial is expected to be completed this week. But that may depend GH>on the length of the defense. I just learned last night from Kathleen that Hidalgo was convicted, giving a boost to the prosecution after their setback in the Honna Sims acquittal. * OLX 2.1 TD * "Erring on the side of the child" is also child abuse! --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Sea East PC Exchange (1:343/15)