--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: ECP00004 Date: 08/19/97 From: MARY HICKS Time: 09:53pm \/To: MARK TROWBRIDGE (Read 0 times) Subj: Dog, BIG Hi Mark, -> I shop at the same pet store for my fish and guinea pig supplies. -> Guess what? They never heard of such a thing. I guess that means I Do they sell cat and dog food? Leashes, etc.? Try calling it a "pronged" collar. -> Something else I forgot to mention too here was that when I walk -> him, when he comes to a corner or a curb, he will sit and wait for -> me to tell him to come. I don't know why I didn't think of that -> before. He has always done That's great! I wish I could say the same for my dogs...:-) -> I kindo like the idea of having my shoulder joints being pulled from -> the sockets myself. :) Are your arms longer now? -> When I told everyone that I was adopting a lab, the response I got -> was they are such good dogs. Then when I brought him home, everyone -> told me what stupid dogs they were. No body could make up their -> minds. Then again, everyone that I do know, don't all own dogs. Labs...Stupid You gotta be kidding. Just keep in mind that Labs are used as "guide" dogs for the blind; in police work, sniffing for drugs, etc. Stupid? I think not. Mary --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The Commonwealth, Austin TX, http://www.eden.com/~bria (1:382/812) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: ECP00005 Date: 08/19/97 From: MARY HICKS Time: 10:02pm \/To: MARK TROWBRIDGE (Read 0 times) Subj: Dog, BIG Hi Mark, -> I know what you mean. That is why I made my own. I cut off the -> connector that went to the faucet and then went to the hardware -> store and bought 2 adaptors and 3 more feet of hose. Worked real -> well. I don't know they sell those things so short? :( Either I wasn't looking for or didn't see any longer hoses. I sure don't know why they sell them so short. I wouldn't have known about the replacement spigot...but I was visiting a relative and saw one and knew it was just what I needed. -> I never could understand why Boomer would play in the pool, run -> through the sprinkler and then when I wanted to give him a bath -> outside, he wouldn't let me. That is when I thought about the -> shower. Must be feeling of warm Our dogs just plain don't like baths. Hose or bathtub. They will tolerate a bath...giving me dirty looks...but you ought to see them afterwards. Surprise! All of a sudden the bathed dog is running and prancing about...:) -> water may be a stress reliever. I dunno. I can tell you this. If -> magic lanterns exsist and I had 3 wishes...I would use one of those -> wishes for dogs to speak and understand english. I think it would -> be interesting to hear what is going through their minds. I'd love to know too. Katie Scarlett tries so desperately to "talk" to me...I just don't understand. I guess she thinks that if she can learn some of my word sounds, I should know hers! Mary --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The Commonwealth, Austin TX, http://www.eden.com/~bria (1:382/812) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: ECP00006 Date: 08/19/97 From: ANNE PAGE Time: 08:14am \/To: AVRAMA GINGOLD (Read 0 times) Subj: WONDERFUL POST Must you write such wonderful essays as answers to other people's posts? AG>>JUST a household pet? In many respects, it is the household pet AG>>who needs to know more than the obedience competitor. I agree. This whole piece was wonderful! Thanks to your previous permission to steal, I've stolen it. With the addition of this one to the "fillers" I've already taken and stored for future use, I guess I should send you the paper on a regular basis for at least a year as if you were a paid subscriber. Do you want it every month? BTW, did you go to Dog Days in the Park again this year? If you posted a note about it, I missed seeing it. I read the write-up in the dog magzines. It has certainly become a "New York happening". Anne Page * SLMR 2.1a * Dog people fear AKC investigations more than IRS audits. --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0075 * Origin: PSL Online Houston, TX 713-442-6704 @psl-online.com (1:106/6256) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: ECP00007 Date: 08/19/97 From: MARY HICKS Time: 10:06pm \/To: CAROLYN STOFFEL (Read 0 times) Subj: DOG, BIG Hi Carolyn, -> MH> Oh, please don't say seven is old! Emma is 6-1/2 and I hate to -> MH> her as middle aged!... -> -> Will you feel better if I mention that Secunda is 16 1/2? Immensely...but I do have a question. Is Secunda a large or small dog? Mary --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The Commonwealth, Austin TX, http://www.eden.com/~bria (1:382/812) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: ECP00008 Date: 08/19/97 From: MARY HICKS Time: 10:41pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Maggie's Miseries Well...when Maggie had her surgery last January for the torn ligament, our vet said there was a 35 percent chance that the same thing would happen to her other rear leg. It did... Maggie was operated on today...is doing well and I'll pick her up from the vets tomorrow. Poor baby...October 1996 - pulled groin muscle - January 1997 - ligament replacement - April 1997 - repair of ligament replacement - August 1997 -new surgery, ligament replacement. On top of that, she has a yeast ear infection. Through all this, Maggie remains sweet and loving. Again, when in the operating room, she was trying to "kiss" everyone...before the surgery. Mary --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The Commonwealth, Austin TX, http://www.eden.com/~bria (1:382/812) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: ECP00009 Date: 08/19/97 From: WAYNE CHIRNSIDE Time: 09:35am \/To: DEB SMITH (Read 0 times) Subj: DOG, BIG DS>MSGID: 1:299/121 00006423 DS>PID: VA-VFIDO 2.10 96100195 DS>Re: DOG, BIG DS>> DS> *agressive*. Update here.. Mom took Bones the dog to the anima DS>> DS> and they said they could not take him, as he would "probally bit DS>> DS> person if they addopted him". And Said at that point, if mom le DS>> DS> them, he WOULD be put to sleep. At that point mom had a fit and DS>> DS> Bones. After talking more to her about the dog, what I can ga DS>> DS> Bones is trying to be dom. He wants to be the alpha in the fami DS>> Your mother's best bets would be to contact the breeder for advice. DS>> I don't recall if Bones is a pure-bred or not, but if he is, see if DS>> there's a breed club in her area. Otherwise, if she has Internet DS>> access, she may find a suitable conference or list. DS>Bones is a garden variety mutt.. :) half poodle and half something se.. DS>And my mom does NOT have internet access (she has no computer) which I ay DS>THANK GOD! heheh I dont need mom following me around in cyberspace! ;) let me jump in here now, if you don't mind. i have a purebred Brittish Staffordshire Bull Terrier. this dog was raised on praise and the occassional repremand, never struck. still there was a time the dog asserted a desire to become dominant, it's a dogs nature and must be dealt with properly. i caught the problem early and thus had little to no difficulty, my approach being. 1 if the dog challenges stare it down, make no aggressive moves, simply do not look away until the dog does first, make a habit of this. 2. never back down, if you do you'll have given the animal a taste of dominance and your problem is multiplied. 3 never strike the animal, someday the animal will realize it can dish it out as well as take it. 4 and my personal favorite is give the dog a bath regularly, as they develope an odor they become more obstinant. when i aquired my, ' pit bull', it was by virtue of my girlfriend moving in with a two year old dog. when i first attempted to give him a bath he balked, raised the fir on his neck and growled at me, not a good sign. however giving it some thought i figured by picking him up on his trip to the bath, i'm 6'6'' would confuse and limit his options, well it worked. i now own the gentlest and much happier, ' pit bull'. the dog is 62 lbs. is always walked off lead and is safe with strangers, children and cats, even little kittens. i bath this dog no less than once every six days and he now walks into the tub on his own with one command. if your dog has already established dominance i suggest you proceed more slowly with the above steps. i now trust my Bull terrier as i trust no other, be it animal or beast. bad dogs are usually the fault of not understanding the dogs nature rather than a bad dog, although with pit bulls it more a case of most owners being macho redneck types that use the animal as an extention of their personality and raise them with a 2 x 4, much to the detriment of society, children, small animals or whatever gets in their way. best regards, hope it helps. --- SLMR 2.1a When the chips are down, the buffalo's empty. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Tampa Bay Computer Society * (813)298-8693 (1:3603/570) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: ECQ00000 Date: 08/20/97 From: CHRISTINE LABONT Time: 07:15am \/To: CLIFF HETHERINGTON (Read 0 times) Subj: your fighting attitude KW> Dogs bite for several reasons: Defend themselves and their pack KW> Fear CH> And because they have been deliberatley /_trained_/ to attack on CH> command.. I have never trained my dog to attack on command, but if anyone was agressive towards me, even in jest (which he didn't know) he would lunge at them. He has never bitten though, just warned the person that they better behave. This is the same dog that let my (at the time) 2 year old nephew crawl all over him. CH> What is simply a minor irritation to a human [kid shrieking] can CH> possibley be extreemly offensive if not hurtful to a dog.. who are CH> sensitive to high pitched sound.. I don't know about you, but a kid shrieking drives me bananas! I wouldn't blame a dog for not liking it, but it is the owner's responsibility to have the dog under control at all times. CH> I've had problems with neibourhood kids riding past my back gate on CH> bicycles, and thrusting bits of wood and metal rods through the CH> gate into my Pyreneans face.. he always used to greet people going CH> past that gate with a deep woof and a wagging tail.. So why don't you complain to the owners of those dogs, and if nothing is done, then complain to the local police? I wouldn't take it! If nothing comes of this, bring the parents to court! Chris --- timEd 1.10 * Origin: Acoustic Plains BBS. Ottawa, ON. 613-742-7612 (1:163/551) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: ECQ00001 Date: 08/20/97 From: KATHLEEN WEAVER Time: 06:20am \/To: CLIFF HETHERINGTON (Read 0 times) Subj: your fighting attitude Hello Cliff! Replying to a message of Cliff Hetherington to Kathleen Weaver: KW>> Dogs bite for several reasons: Defend themselves and their pack KW>> Fear CH> And because they have been deliberatley /_trained_/ to attack on CH> command.. Sorry no. That really doesn't do it. But that's a common misconception in your country and what got all the "pit" breeds banned there in the first place. Training for attack just puts the behavior on cue and teaches the dog to bite hard enough to defend himself and his handler effectively. KW>> corner. In fact, I have yet to hear of an attack by a dog (pit KW>> bull or otherwise) where the dog wasn't chained. CH> I have, and there have been several cases in the UK of dogs attacking CH> people, often kids, that said its my belief that the persons attacked CH> did /*something*/ to trigger the attack.. little children have high CH> pitched voices and can shriek loudly when confonted by something CH> which frightens them, and dogs hear in a different range to us.. Again -- fear or defense. CH> What is simply a minor irritation to a human [kid shrieking] can CH> possibley be extreemly offensive if not hurtful to a dog.. who are CH> sensitive to high pitched sound.. See -- fear. Or Defense. CH> And with some children there is another problem, they tend to tease CH> animals:-( And if you have some kid persistantly throwing stones at a CH> dog or trying to shoot at it with a water pistol, that dog is not CH> gonna be too happy with that/those kid[s]. Yep -- you agree with me -- see again your talking fear or defense. CH> I've had problems with neibourhood kids riding past my back gate on CH> bicycles, and thrusting bits of wood and metal rods through the gate CH> into my Pyreneans face.. he always used to greet people going past CH> that gate with a deep woof and a wagging tail.. CH> He now actively dislikes kids on bicycles and goes wild when they ride CH> past.. Yet is as good as gold when out on a leash.. unless anyone on So why do you leave him unattended in the yard to deal with this? Kathleen --- FleetStreet 1.20.2+ * Origin: Texas K9 Police Assn BBS (1:124/4220) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: ECQ00002 Date: 08/21/97 From: MARK TROWBRIDGE Time: 12:18am \/To: SEANETTE BLAYLOCK (Read 0 times) Subj: Dog, BIG >You do occasionally get one with some innate problem. Happened to me >once (she wound up being put down after going after a neighbor kid for >absolutely no reason). You are right. Sometimes you never know when you will get a dog that is that way. Mark | AmiQWK 2.9 - FREEWARE | ... I tried to play my shoehorn but all I got was footnotes. --- Michiana Mail Center * Origin: CW Technical Support - South Bend, IN - (219) 272-8129 (1:227/129) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: ECQ00003 Date: 08/21/97 From: MARK TROWBRIDGE Time: 12:18am \/To: AVRAMA GINGOLD (Read 0 times) Subj: Dog, BIG >True, it may not be necessary that your dog walk by your side >in perfect heel position--but he had better walk without >pulling your arm from its socket. Well, this makes perfect sense. After all, try explaining that one to the doctor at the aemergency room. >Many of the tasks involved in advanced obedience are very >useful in real life. For example, the directed retrieve of >Utility is taught to guide dogs and other service dogs-- >only it is called picking up things the owner drops. This I can understand. After all, the dog is a service animal. Highly trained to aid and assist their partner. >No, household pet is one of those canine functions that is >a lot more difficult than it seems, and one we make more >difficult for our dogs by not giving them the education >they need and deserve. Made well taken. Thanks for enlightening me. Mark | AmiQWK 2.9 - FREEWARE | ... "I am the wrong number that wakes you at 3:00am" - Darkwing Duck --- Michiana Mail Center * Origin: CW Technical Support - South Bend, IN - (219) 272-8129 (1:227/129)