--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 207 OS2 LAN Ref: E2300007 Date: 02/02/97 From: ALEC HERRMANN Time: 12:27pm \/To: MICHAEL ROWLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: OS2 Warp 3.0 non_Connect Hello Michael, Replying to a message of Michael Rowley to All: MR> I have asked this once before, but I will ask again... :) Is anyone MR> out there using non connect OS2 in a network. I want to set up a MR> small network (mostly for the experience and because I have the MR> network cards) but since I own 1 copy of 4.0 and a copy of 3.0 non MR> Connect, I want to use them (so I won't have to buy another copy of MR> the OS). You will not be able to use the same networking software that you have in Warp 4 in Warp 3 (non-Connect). If you want to use netbios (the most common one used for home networks IMHO) you will have to get additional software for the Warp 3 machine, or upgrade it to Warp Connect or Warp 4. Additional software (that I can think of): 1) IBM Lan Server OS/2 client software. You can buy a license for the above software; it is a piece of paper; no software in the package; you can then legally use the client software that normally comes with IBM Lan Server on your Warp 3 machine. IBM does not package the client software separately. Peer services is included in the client software. 2) Lantastic for OS/2 I have not had any experience with this; it does work, however, I believe the IBM client software to be better overall. My suggestion is to get the upgrade copy of Warp 4 for your Warp 3 machine - it should cost around $150 to $200, and you will have an easier time managing both machines since they are both running the same software. Regards, Alec --- FleetStreet 1.12 NR * Origin: The Nibble's Roost, Richmond BC 604-540-8048 (1:153/8086) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 207 OS2 LAN Ref: E2300008 Date: 02/02/97 From: ALEC HERRMANN Time: 12:36pm \/To: JOCELYN DOIRE (Read 0 times) Subj: How to network Merlin sy Hello Jocelyn, Replying to a message of Jocelyn Doire to Alec Herrmann: AH>> Yes - the penalty is that your NDIS driver will not work for AH>> a normal installation of Novell client software. You will AH>> either have to use the Novell ODI driver for OS/2 (also on AH>> your 3C90x driver disk), or (more complicated) bind an ODI AH>> protocol driver on top of your NDIS driver so you can use both AH>> NDIS and ODI functions through the same network card. JD> I'm a bit confused. When I did the OS/2 installation, I got the JD> following lines in my config.sys (hope I have all the relevent JD> lines), which correspond to your third scenario, right? JD> DEVICE=D:\IBMCOM\MACS\EL90X.OS2 JD> DEVICE=D:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\ODI2NDI.OS2 Yes, you have done what I stated above as the second scenario (not third - there is no third one in my message). A normal NDIS installation does not have the 'OD2NDI' line in the config.sys file. There are more lines in your config.sys that are relevant for your Novell setup which you did not show above - they should have normally been 'bracketed' by two comment lines in your config.sys file when you completed the Novell software installation. JD> The OS/2 CD did not have the EL90x card, so when I contacted 3COM they JD> said that there was no public driver yet, and the I could use a NDIS JD> driver that was located into a hidden directory on their ftp site. I JD> then went ahead with the installation, and when requested, I provided JD> the driver that was on a floppy. Yes - I also obtained my EL90X.OS2 driver from 3COM in the same manner. JD> Right now everything works fine, so I'm not complaining, but I JD> would like to get the optimal configuration, and in the process, JD> try to have a better understanding. You are doing just fine. It is likely that there is no OS/2 Novell driver as of yet for the 3C905 card. Regards, Alec --- FleetStreet 1.12 NR * Origin: The Nibble's Roost, Richmond BC 604-540-8048 (1:153/8086) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 207 OS2 LAN Ref: E2300009 Date: 02/02/97 From: ALEC HERRMANN Time: 12:42pm \/To: MICHAEL MCBROOM (Read 0 times) Subj: Another Newbie Needs Help Hello Michael, Replying to a message of Michael McBroom to Alec Herrmann: AH>> Welcome to the confused world of networking! I do not AH>> know of a good book personally; perhaps someone else AH>> here in this conference can recommend one? MM> I located one, although I regret to admit that I did not write down MM> the name of it. I called Indellible Blue, figuring if anybody would MM> have a book on Warp 4, they would. And they do. It sells for $37 + MM> s&h and, according to the salesguy, has a complete discussion of the MM> networking capabilities of Warp 4. I should get my copy Monday or MM> Tuesday. I'll post an update then. Yes, please do. The book name, author, cost, ISBN number if possible, and your review of it if desired. I can add it to my collection of small files on most frequently asked questions (like how to connect 2 machines with 10BaseT, etc). MM> just about reached the point where I'm going to reinstall Warp4 in MM> its entirety, just to make sure that I get everything this time. MM> It'll probably be quicker. Yes, it would likely be quicker to do a complete reinstall. AH>> In summary (using command line mode - you may prefer AH>> the GUI interface provided under the 'Networking' AH>> object): MM> WHAT "Networking" object? I'm gonna have to reinstall, I guess. This MM> is probably one of the objects that I deleted and that didn't come MM> back when I tried doing selective install for networking. You do not have a 'Connections' object on your desktop? The 'Network' object (sorry - not Networking) is inside the Connections object. AH>> Yes, you can set up one of your Warp 4 machines to act AH>> as a Internet server (using IBM Internet Connection AH>> Server software or some other software package). It MM> Aha! This is exactly what I had hoped for. Is this what people mean MM> by "Distributed Computing Environments?" Not quite. Distributed Computing is more like the following: 1) You have a program that you run on your computer. You decide that it would be better if you run the program on the server (since it has more 'horsepower') while still performing input and observing output on your computer. 2) Go a step further - instead of just one server running the program, it splits the program up in to related tasks and assigns those tasks to other servers. This is one way Distributed Computing works. Regards, Alec --- FleetStreet 1.12 NR * Origin: The Nibble's Roost, Richmond BC 604-540-8048 (1:153/8086) -> I have done so, but the docs on IP masq. are sparse at best. -> Support seems very good though. What I really need is a step by -> step setup procedure from the machine that will connect to my ISP to -> the rest of the machines on the lan. Any suggestions? Sorry, I don't use it (have a full time ISDN connection via an ISDN router). I'd think you'll have to setup TCP/IP on all the machines, using unique IP's for each, except for the OS/2 machine w/ Injoy. There is a test range of IP addresses for use on local systems. I'd guess that Injoy needs to know the other machine's IP addresses (your local lan IP's) and then it just passes packets back and forth from the outside world to the inside network machine which originally requested it. But that's only how I'd do it if I were able to actually code such a beast. I really don't have any ideas as to Injoy specifics, sorry. Good luck, none the less. Others here should be able to point you in the right directions though. Cheers! Phil --- GOMail v2.0 [94-0279] * Origin: The Graphics Shop - Graphics & DOOM (v.34+) (1:2201/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 207 OS2 LAN Ref: E2300010 Date: 02/03/97 From: PHIL PATTENGALE Time: 04:32am \/To: DARRELL SALTER (Read 0 times) Subj: Conecting lan to dial-up? -> I have done so, but the docs on IP masq. are sparse at best. -> Support seems very good though. What I really need is a step by -> step setup procedure from the machine that will connect to my ISP to -> the rest of the machines on the lan. Any suggestions? Sorry, I don't use it (have a full time ISDN connection via an ISDN router). I'd think you'll have to setup TCP/IP on all the machines, using unique IP's for each, except for the OS/2 machine w/ Injoy. There is a test range of IP addresses for use on local systems. I'd guess that Injoy needs to know the other machine's IP addresses (your local lan IP's) and then it just passes packets back and forth from the outside world to the inside network machine which originally requested it. But that's only how I'd do it if I were able to actually code such a beast. I really don't have any ideas as to Injoy specifics, sorry. Good luck, none the less. Others here should be able to point you in the right directions though. Cheers! Phil --- GOMail v2.0 [94-0279] * Origin: The Graphics Shop - Graphics & DOOM (v.34+) (1:2201/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 207 OS2 LAN Ref: E2400000 Date: 02/03/97 From: PHIL PATTENGALE Time: 07:06am \/To: CHARLES GAEFKE (Read 0 times) Subj: IPX Protocol? -> But, I'd like to get the IPX protocol in there for neat things like -> multiplayer games over a network. How do I go about supporting the -> IPX protocol? You should just be able to install the Netware client. That should install support for IPX, you'll just not be logging into any NW servers. If you want to play things like Duke Nukem 3d or others from a DOS boot, you'll want to hit Microsoft's www site. Download their FREE DOS network CLIENT software program (two files). That'll install and give you TCP/IP, NETBIOS and IPX support from DOS between the two machines. Course, since both sides are client only, you can't share drives/printers with this from DOS. But, DN3d likes it's NETBIOS implementation and that's about all I dual boot for anymore. Enjoy the speed! Phil --- GOMail v2.0 [94-0279] * Origin: The Graphics Shop - Graphics & DOOM (v.34+) (1:2201/23) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 207 OS2 LAN Ref: E2400001 Date: 01/30/97 From: GILBERT DOYEN Time: 06:59pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 0 times) Subj: Press ENTER to continue Hello Scott, 29 Jan 97 17:28, Scott Little crivait All: SL> During bootup (while processing CONFIG.SYS), it goes through the network SL> stuff. Problem is, my network is only peer to peer and one of the machines SL> isn't always on. PAUSEONERROR=NO in your config.sys :-) Amicalement, Gilbert (73273.36@compuserve.com or gilbert.doyen@rtvsat.be) --- GEcho/2 1.20/Pro * Origin: 32-2-3758924 (V34), 32-2-3757529 (V34), 32-2-3721057 (IS (2:291/706) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 207 OS2 LAN Ref: E2400002 Date: 02/02/97 From: TONY LANGDON Time: 12:15pm \/To: CORIDON HENSHAW (Read 0 times) Subj: How to network Merlin system with a DOS 12:15:2402/02/97 It's 29 Jan 97 00:38:42, We'll return to Coridon Henshaw and Tony Langdon's discussion of How to network Merlin system with a DOS system? TL> Good start. :-) The OS/2 side is complete, but you'll need suitable DOS TL> networking software for what you want to do. CH> I already have MS' client software, which, I am told, will work with CH> OS/2. TL> What do you want to run? File sharing, and / or something else? CH> File and printer sharing. Should be quite simple then. Set up both ends to use plain NetBEUI protocol. TCP/IP is overkill for such a simple LAN. :-) ... What finally destroyed the Borg: They assimilated Windows --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: The Bridge - Remote Sysop. (3:635/728.18) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 207 OS2 LAN Ref: E2400003 Date: 02/02/97 From: TONY LANGDON Time: 12:16pm \/To: JOCELYN DOIRE (Read 0 times) Subj: Warp 3 and TCP/IP It's 30 Jan 97 10:00:06, We'll return to Jocelyn Doire and Tony Langdon's discussion of Warp 3 and TCP/IP JD> Have tried RESERVE.SYS? It allows to reserve IRQ/IO/MEM for such JD> thing as the network card, and apparently some NE2000 card got JD> cured with that. The parameters are hard to find, but it's JD> somewhere in the help or in the ASKPSP. I remember using this myself, but I can't remember whether it was a precaution or if there was a problem... ... if u cn rd ths u cn bcm a c prgmr! --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: The Bridge - Remote Sysop. (3:635/728.18) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 207 OS2 LAN Ref: E2400004 Date: 02/02/97 From: TONY LANGDON Time: 12:18pm \/To: WILL HONEA (Read 0 times) Subj: Warp 3 and TCP/IP It's 31 Jan 97 11:13:02, We'll return to Will Honea and Tony Langdon's discussion of Warp 3 and TCP/IP WH> Late nights are getting to me. I was confusing some old NE1000 cards WH> I once tried. These don't use shared RAM. After some mucking about, WH> the problem appears to be confined to one machine - and OLD Cheetah WH> 486 - and the problem is a recurrance of an old one. With OS/2 2.0, I WH> had a devil of a time getting this thing to boot reliably. It turned WH> out to be something in the initial loader program that would make WH> back-to-back write to the real time clock. The writes were too close WH> together, so the RTC never got initialized properly and INT 8 was WH> screwy - like 3000 ms instead of 33.... Hmm, the best solution is probably self-evident. Maybe it's time to shout yourself a new motherboard, as it looks likely that the RTC (or other) problems could resurface on your next upgrade. :-) WH> Anyway, I still can't figure how these cards cause it since the WH> addresses are well removed, irqs are clean. It's become more a case WH> of 'mental mastrubation' than anything else, but thanks for you return. Hehe, can get like that. :-) ... Fun, fun, fun: [........../] --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: The Bridge - Remote Sysop. (3:635/728.18) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 207 OS2 LAN Ref: E2400005 Date: 02/02/97 From: TONY LANGDON Time: 12:58pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 0 times) Subj: Press ENTER to continue It's 30 Jan 97 03:28:50, We'll return to Scott Little and All's discussion of Press ENTER to continue SL> During bootup (while processing CONFIG.SYS), it goes through the SL> network stuff. Problem is, my network is only peer to peer and one of SL> the machines isn't always on. SL> It tells me network not found, press a key to continue. Is there a way SL> to disable this prompt so it will run unsupervised? Strange. I boot this bachine every day on its own, and it comes up with no "press enter to continue" prompts. I'm using OS/2 Peer. Does your network work properly if both machines are running? Are you running Ethernet or Token Ring? ... Reality is a constant intrusion on my dreams. --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: The Bridge - Remote Sysop. (3:635/728.18)