--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 118 WINDOWS Ref: F5H00004 Date: 05/11/98 From: THURSTON ACKERMAN Time: 06:24pm \/To: BILL DAWSON (Read 4 times) Subj: Tape Drives in Window BD>-=> Quoting John Readle to Bill Dawson <=- BD> BD> Cheyenne Backup *found* the drives, but it never would finish a BD> BD> backup -- decided the tapes were bad, said it had internal incon- BD> BD> sistencies that invalidated what it had backed up, or just plain BD> BD> crashed. BD> JR> Never have had that problem. Sounds strange indeed. BD>Charles S. told me to get some patches from CA's/Cheyenne's web BD>site -- I never got around to that (Arcada 5.0 was working well BD>enough for me, I just figured I'd take the loss of having bought BD>another washout product). I am a little more stubborn (and retired with time available 8-) to try to discipline Cheyenne's backup. Could you please share the CA's/Cheyenne web site address please. Ciao, Ack. --- * SLMR 2.1a * Just the FAX ma'am, you can keep the photocopy. * Origin: SKYLINE BBS (617)361-1242 U.S.A. Mail Feeds Available. 1:101/580) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 118 WINDOWS Ref: F5H00005 Date: 05/12/98 From: BILL MAXAM Time: 06:22pm \/To: JERRY SCHWARTZ (Read 4 times) Subj: Cd-roms under windows 95 Thanks for the info and will see if I can get them to work, at this point willing to try anything that makes sense! --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: The Recipe Corner (1:321/155) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 118 WINDOWS Ref: F5H00006 Date: 05/12/98 From: JAMES WOMACK Time: 07:30am \/To: CLARENCE HOGAN (Read 4 times) Subj: Windows 3.11 License -> -=> Quoting James Womack to Clarence Hogan <=- -> > -=> Quoting Bill Dawson to Clarence Hogan <=- -> > -=> Quoting Clarence Hogan to Bill Dawson <=- -> -> > I saved this part for the simple reason that I still -> > do not understand what you are saying here and after all this time, -> > I STILL cannot see where it could POSSIBLY be illegal to DISCUSS -> > software, so possibly you could clarify it for me! -> -> NW>Piracy of software is illegal Clarence. Some people have gone to -> NW>Their equipment and software confiscated, etc. Say your friend " -> NW>you a copy of a registered game or other such program, even let yo -> NW>of -say- Win95 to put the programming on your system, rather than -> NW>purchasing your own copy/cd of the particular program. That is co -> NW>software piracy. -> -> JW> As usual, nancy keeps it straight and simple. But allow me to -> JW> reinforce. -> -> Most certainly you are MOST welcome to reinforce brother Bill, -> however, have you not gotten of the horse in the middle of the -> stream right along with Nancy? Did you, by any chance, miss my -> return post to her? :'( -> -> JW> Clar, you invent anti-gravity device. You sell it to a few people -> JW> Someone out there copies your device and uses it turn a heft pro -> JW> but you are not paid on -> JW> cents in royalty, patent, and whatever other rights you're legall -> JW> entittled to -> JW> Then more and more people copy your device and you benefit nothin -> JW> from it. Would you be happy about this? Are these copiers friend -> JW> yours or theives? -> -> I thought that we had settled all of this PARTICULAR part many -> moons ago, as the Indian would say, and completely agreed on this -> PARTICULAR part/point? :) -> -> Sooooooo, I guess the question now is, how did everyone get back -> on THIS dead horse? :'( :) -> -> And finally, for the "once more" time, I will ask my question again -> that I asked above, which no answer to has been seen yet, viz., -> "I STILL cannot see where it could POSSIBLY be illegal to DISCUSS -> software," so ONCE again, I ask you, could you POSSIBLY clarify it -> for me! :) I just know that I could see it, if only I could get -> an answer to THE question! And if you will allow me to point out -> the pertinent words to my question, which are ***POSSIBLY***, -> ***ILLEGAL***, ***DISCUSS*** and ***SOFTWARE***, my question can -> be finally be answered and my mind will be once again at ease! :) -> -> Just another humble servant of The Kingdom.......clarence....... -> -> ... If I made myself clear, let me know and I'll start over! -> --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 -> * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} -> (1:116/30) Discussing software issue. Clarence, your tone notwithstanding, this message is very old, from way back. It seems you got it all over again via some quirk in the network. Last I saw of this thread was maybe two or three months ago. Last I responded to it, was somethign about discussion being fine but the origin of the thread was f4om some guy overseas who actually was talking about pirating which set people off here and your discussion input was in the middle of all that. However, seeing as it has led to some snideness, I am opting to terminate all my involvement in it. Besides, I've said all I want or am interested in saying about it, no point in dragging it out again. Serves no good purpose. Bye. --- Corvette BBS LV,NV 702-431-2284 * Origin: CORVETTE BBS - Las Vegas, Nevada (702) 431-2284 (1:209/218) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 118 WINDOWS Ref: F5I00000 Date: 05/13/98 From: ANDY MANNINGER Time: 07:21am \/To: ALAN ZISMAN (Read 4 times) Subj: Temp folders Hello, Alan! -=> Alan Zisman wrote to Andy Manninger on 05-12-98 00:00 <=- AM>One of the things Win95 stores in the TMP file folder is .jpg AM>images to speed up surfing the Internet. Once the image is AM>available on your HD, it needn't be downloaded when it's needed AM>subsequently. AM>Somewhere in the setup you can specify the number of days you AM>wish to retain these temporary files. The system will AM>automatically delete them thereafter. AZ> Your Internet TEMP files are not stored in the same directory as t AZ> system TEMP directory (at least, not by default... you could, AZ> presumably set it that way). AM>I was talking about the C:\WINDOWS\TEMP directory. AZ> Precisely... while by default, C:\WINDOWS\TEMP is used as the system AZ> TEMP folder (this can be changed using Autoexec.bat's SET TEMP AZ> command), neither Netscape Navigator nor Microsoft Internet Explorer AZ> use this folder as their default folder for storing cached pages, AZ> graphics, etc... IE, for example, uses "C:\Windows\Temporary Internet AZ> Files", while Netscape uses a subfolder of its program directory. AZ> Both of those programs allow a user to re-direct this setting, so it AZ> could be set to use C:\Windows\Temp, but that's not how either work by AZ> default. I have not changed the default settings, and I can assure you that the latest Win95 (or is it IE4?) that came with my computer does store cached pages in C:\WINDOWS\TEMP. That's where I go to look at them when I'm offline. Keep in mind that the Microsoft boys keep tinkering with Win95. My USING MICROSOFT WINDOWS 95, Special Edition, Second Edition, by Que, published only last year, is already way out of date. AZ> And it's not just JPGs that are stored in the Internet Cache AZ> directory... it's everything-- HTML files, GIFs, buttons, fancy l AZ> the works. As a result, these directories can get pretty full pre AZ> quickly. AM>Please point to my text where I claimed that only JPGs were stored AM>in that directory. AZ> No, you never claimed that only JPGs were stored there... (see quote AZ> above). By listing them by name, however, you perhaps left careless AZ> readers with the impression that it might be different for other AZ> graphic types. I wrote, "One of the things Win95 stores in the TMP file folder is .jpg images. . . ." The implication is clear that there may well be other stuff cached in that directory as well. I'm not responsible for the carelessness of some readers who have trouble comprehending English. I make an effort to communicate precisely. If they read things into what I write that aren't there, it's their fault, not mine. Kind regards, Andy e-mail: andym@lightspeed.bc.ca ... A man, a plan, a canal, Panama! (I'm a palindrome.) ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: VKUG/VPCC Windows Echo - Richmond, BC (1:153/151) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 118 WINDOWS Ref: F5I00001 Date: 05/13/98 From: ANDY MANNINGER Time: 07:13am \/To: STEVE WARNICK (Read 4 times) Subj: Accessing bbs in w95 Hello, Steve! -=> Steve Warnick wrote to Andy Manninger on 05-11-98 06:00 <=- AU>> I'm a brand new convert from good ole DOS to W95, so excuse me if AU>> I ask a stupid question. Is there a way to access a BBS and AU>> up/download messages from within W95 without the benefit of a AU>> communication program such as Telix? AU> AU>You woldn't like to use any DOS-based program at all? Telix for windows AU>exists. There are other windows-based comm.-programs, but I AU>don't know names for any. Sorry AU> AU>Propp AU> AU>--- BBBS/D v3.33 How AU> ! Origin: -=>Mikkel BBS +47 22 65 40 68<=- (2:210/32) AU> SW> There are several good term programs for win 95, one can be SW> found on tucows on the net. It is an upgrade for windows SW> own hyperterminal it maked ansi much better and does SW> telenet.The other is powracc150.exe it is mainly for SW> powrbbs boards but also does ansi.You can get the latter SW> from http://www.epix.net/~morbious Thank you for your help, Steve. Since I wrote that message quite a while ago I've moved my old DOS Telix to my new computer using Win95, and it works flawlessly. Kind regards, Andy e-mail: andym@lightspeed.bc.ca ... If it walks out of the fridge - LET IT GO! ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: VKUG/VPCC Windows Echo - Richmond, BC (1:153/151) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 118 WINDOWS Ref: F5I00002 Date: 05/12/98 From: PETE GRANZEAU Time: 05:36pm \/To: JOHN RANGER (Read 4 times) Subj: Location of a SWAP-FILE On 11 May 98 08:13:26, a Gin and Tonic at the Angler's Rest overheard John Ranger say to all: JR>I am just cutting in a 1 Gig IDE drive. JR>Where is the ideal spot to place a SWAP=FILE? JR>Front...middle...at the end after everythings been heaped on? If you have a choice, at the point, statistically, where the least head movement is necessary to reach it. I had four equal sized partitions on a drive, and I put the Swap File at the very beginning of the third drive (before I had put anything else on that drive). I now have two hard drives, a 1.6 gig in four partitions, and a 420 meg in one partition. I put the Swap File at the start of the 420 meg drive (it's used for archives, and nearly never accessed, otherwise). Regards, PHG phg@exis.net ... Origin: 3701'48"N 7625'38"W (UTM unavailable) * Wave Rider 1.33 # 92 * --- * Origin: Little America BBS, Williamsburg VA (1:271/140) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 118 WINDOWS Ref: F5I00003 Date: 05/13/98 From: CLARENCE HOGAN Time: 12:16pm \/To: BILL DAWSON (Read 4 times) Subj: Long-dead horse! -=> Quoting Bill Dawson to Clarence Hogan <=- -=>> Quoting James Womack to Clarence Hogan <=- CH> I thought that we had settled all of this PARTICULAR part many CH> moons ago, as the Indian would say, and completely agreed on this CH> PARTICULAR part/point? :) CH> Sooooooo, I guess the question now is, how did everyone get back CH> on THIS dead horse? :'( :) Hi ya' Bill, tickled pink to hear from you again even under such circumstances! ;) BD> The phrasing of your query was what did it. Well Bill, from my limited amount of experience, it just seemed to me that it kinda' like reading commentaries on the Bible, for a person might read nine of them and still not understand the Verse in question, but upon reading the tenth one by another commentator in his own particular phrasing of words, the light suddenly goes on! :) So re-phrasing is a good policy IMHO! BD> There is a built-in BD> that is in some versions of some larger system, such as Win95, but BD> isn't shipped in every version. Yup and understood, just like the NEW Pentium 200 MMX that I had special built by a local company did not have Win95 installed in it, but a copy labeled "For Distribution Only with a New PC" was included in the bill of $1300 and they installed it before shipping it to me and is registered in my name, of course! And I wouldn't have had it any other way! :) BD> Some folks who didn't have it saw BD> you ask how to get what you saw, phrased in such a way that it was BD> interpreted as if you didn't feel like buying a copy. Which is what I deducted from the responses back then and of course was never my intent to start with, for at that time I was indeed a complete computer dummy and had no knowledge of computers or programs whatsoever and truly though that I was asking the right questions to solve the problem that I was having with the Win3.11 that my son had installed in order for me to be able to use JUNO, and I never used the Windows part at all, in fact, my son did not even turn on any of the features of Windows and I never accessed Windows for files or anything and at the time all I knew was that it had to be on my hard drive in order for JUNO to work! And just an afterthought, as I recall, it was my understanding then that the program was no longer on the market and could not even be purchased, which was the main reason for seeking someone with what I thought would be an out of date copy! BD> I remember BD> seeing your question and although I had no answer, and already was BD> pretty sure you weren't seeking a "pirated copy," I predicted to BD> myself that someone would come along to fuss at you again. Shucks no Bill, for at that time I didn't even know what a "pirated copy" was! HeeHee, that was an easy prediction, just like the guy that rides his horse to death and then gets off and kicks the dead horse for dying when it was his fault all along! BD> I can't even recall, however, what feature or function caused the BD> dead horse to get back onto its figurative feet. It isn't on my own BD> setup yet. Me neither Bill! CH> And finally, for the "once more" time, I will ask my question again CH> that I asked above, which no answer to has been seen yet, viz., CH> "I STILL cannot see where it could POSSIBLY be illegal to DISCUSS CH> software," BD> It isn't even "illegal" to speak/write about getting a pirated copy BD> of any program, either offering or asking someone else to commit BD> the piracy. Well, now that much water has gone under the bridge and I don't consider myself to be quite a computer dummy as I was to start with three years ago, I would agree with you except on the last point, which, just in my own mind, I would not do it and I would certainly have no respect for anyone who did, illegal or no! For I am of the opinion that a man is worth his hire regardless of whether the law backs up his right to pay for same, so long as what he is doing is not against the law in the first place! BD> Most of Fido's echo mail areas, however, do have the BD> RULE that such messages are off-topic and not desired. And I am behind them 100%, but in the case of a person who does not know about such things, he should be advised of such in a mild tone and then if he persists, ban him! BD> What is BD> illegal is carrying through with making such a copy and passing it BD> on to someone else. Exactly my main point, just because a person asks questions about a law or thing does not necessarily mean that he intends to break the law or do the thing for real! For had he intended to do the deed, but after hearing the details of the law, saw that it was not the right thing to do and then forgot about doing it, his questions were well deserved of an answer, benefiting not only him, but also others who lurked about! Thus...A warning to the wise is usually sufficient! :) BD> The term "illegal" doesn't mean the same as BD> "it's against the rules here." Heavens no Bill, for just because a rule is there and is not being broken, does not necessarily mean that it is always expedient for us to follow such rule, would you not agree? CH> so ONCE again, I ask you, could you POSSIBLY clarify it CH> for me! :) I just know that I could see it, if only I could get CH> an answer to THE question! And if you will allow me to point out CH> the pertinent words to my question, which are ***POSSIBLY***, CH> ***ILLEGAL***, ***DISCUSS*** and ***SOFTWARE***, my question can CH> be finally be answered and my mind will be once again at ease! :) BD> I really thought the prior discussions should've remained adequate BD> to cover this latest misunderstanding. And I thought that it was over and done with months and months ago, in fact, so far back, that I had truly forgotten all about it till I received this message! Nice to hear from you again Bill.......clarence....... ... The light of understanding will dispel the darkness of error! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 118 WINDOWS Ref: F5I00004 Date: 05/13/98 From: CLARENCE HOGAN Time: 12:56pm \/To: JAMES WOMACK (Read 4 times) Subj: Windows 3.11 License -=> Quoting James Womack to Clarence Hogan <=- -> -=> Quoting James Womack to Clarence Hogan <=- -> > -=> Quoting Bill Dawson to Clarence Hogan <=- -> > -=> Quoting Clarence Hogan to Bill Dawson <=- -> -> > I saved this part for the simple reason that I still -> > do not understand what you are saying here and after all this time, -> > I STILL cannot see where it could POSSIBLY be illegal to DISCUSS -> > software, so possibly you could clarify it for me! -> -> NW>Piracy of software is illegal Clarence. Some people have gone to -> NW>Their equipment and software confiscated, etc. Say your friend " -> NW>you a copy of a registered game or other such program, even let yo -> NW>of -say- Win95 to put the programming on your system, rather than -> NW>purchasing your own copy/cd of the particular program. That is co -> NW>software piracy. -> -> JW> As usual, nancy keeps it straight and simple. But allow me to -> JW> reinforce. -> -> Most certainly you are MOST welcome to reinforce brother Bill, -> however, have you not gotten of the horse in the middle of the -> stream right along with Nancy? Did you, by any chance, miss my -> return post to her? :'( -> -> JW> Clar, you invent anti-gravity device. You sell it to a few people -> JW> Someone out there copies your device and uses it turn a heft pro -> JW> but you are not paid on -> JW> cents in royalty, patent, and whatever other rights you're legall -> JW> entittled to -> JW> Then more and more people copy your device and you benefit nothin -> JW> from it. Would you be happy about this? Are these copiers friend -> JW> yours or theives? -> -> I thought that we had settled all of this PARTICULAR part many -> moons ago, as the Indian would say, and completely agreed on this -> PARTICULAR part/point? :) -> -> Sooooooo, I guess the question now is, how did everyone get back -> on THIS dead horse? :'( :) -> -> And finally, for the "once more" time, I will ask my question again -> that I asked above, which no answer to has been seen yet, viz., -> "I STILL cannot see where it could POSSIBLY be illegal to DISCUSS -> software," so ONCE again, I ask you, could you POSSIBLY clarify it -> for me! :) I just know that I could see it, if only I could get -> an answer to THE question! And if you will allow me to point out -> the pertinent words to my question, which are ***POSSIBLY***, -> ***ILLEGAL***, ***DISCUSS*** and ***SOFTWARE***, my question can -> be finally be answered and my mind will be once again at ease! :) -> -> Just another humble servant of The Kingdom.......clarence....... -> -> ... If I made myself clear, let me know and I'll start over! -> --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 -> ! Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} -> (1:116/30) Hi ya' James! JW> Discussing software issue. Clarence, your tone notwithstanding, JW> this message is very old, from way back. HeeHee, yup, the understatement of the year! ;) Tone? What tone? Yup, it was sure a shock for me to see Bill's message just prior to this one today! Back when I had my old "first" computer, I didn't have enough drive space to save any messages like you guys have, but now I have got 4GB and about 90% of that is available! :) JW> It seems you got it all over JW> again via some quirk in the network. Last I saw of this thread was JW> maybe two or three months ago. Last I responded to it, was somethign JW> about discussion being fine but the origin of the thread was f4om some JW> guy overseas who actually was talking about pirating which set people JW> off here and your discussion input was in the middle of all that. Yeah, I do recall someone trying to pirate some software in the distant past, but since I knew nothing of those thing way back then, being the computer dummy that I was, I stayed out of it! But it has been a whole lot longer than three months ago since I have seen anything about it and this is the first! But then I don't have the time to read each and every message like I used to when I only got a few messages a day, but over 500 causes one to be a little more selective and just read the subject of most of them! JW> However, seeing as it has led to some snideness, I am opting to JW> terminate all my involvement in it. Besides, I've said all I want or am JW> interested in saying about it, no point in dragging it out again. Yup, it did seem that some got pretty huffy about the thing and I can't say that I blame them now, since I have learned what the term means and now know about such things! You got that right, for when the horse is dead, it is much easier to bury him than to drag him about! ;) JW> Serves no good purpose. Bye. Nope, just makes the horse begin to stink much quicker! ;) Later my friend!.......clarence....... ... The light of understanding will dispel the darkness of error! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 118 WINDOWS Ref: F5N00000 Date: 05/13/98 From: BILL DAWSON Time: 09:06pm \/To: THURSTON ACKERMAN (Read 5 times) Subj: Tape Drives in Window BD>> Charles S. told me to get some patches from CA's/Cheyenne's web site BD>> -- I never got around to that (Arcada 5.0 was working well enough for BD>> me, I just figured I'd take the loss of having bought another washout BD>> product). TA> I am a little more stubborn (and retired with time available 8-) to TA> try to discipline Cheyenne's backup. Could you please share the TA> CA's/Cheyenne web site address please. Let's put out a call: Hey, Charles Scaglione! Did you see Thurston's request? .. best I can do for now! Bill D --- * Origin: You just thought it was bad up to now! (1:387/601.4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 118 WINDOWS Ref: F5N00001 Date: 05/13/98 From: JERRY SCHWARTZ Time: 07:17pm \/To: THURSTON ACKERMAN (Read 5 times) Subj: Tape Drives in Window [May 11, 98 - 18:24] Thurston Ackerman of 1:101/580 wrote to Bill Dawson: TA> I am a little more stubborn (and retired with time available 8-) TA> to try to discipline Cheyenne's backup. TA> Could you please share the CA's/Cheyenne web site address please. www.cheyenne.com - I've been using the software for a couple of years, quite happily. Jerry Schwartz --- Msged/386 4.00 * Origin: Write by Night (1:142/928)