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Contact Gary Gilmore via Fidonet at 1:2410/400 (or garyg@oeonline.com) for details, or visit the W32_FDN website at "http://oeonline.com/~garyg/w32_fdn/" for more information. --- * Origin: bloom county * W32_FDN Headquarters * 313-582-0888 (1:2410/400) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 206 WINDOWS 32BIT Ref: F1U00000 Date: 01/24/98 From: JEFF GUERDAT Time: 08:34am \/To: DENNIS MACMAHON (Read 2 times) Subj: Dual Boot w/ Win95 On 01-20-98, DALE ROSS said to DENNIS MACMAHON: TM>>There is a boot manager with NT. If Win95 (or DOS) is installed first, DR>the TM>>boot manager wil be installed with the choices to boot NT or WIN95 DR>(or TM>>DOS). TM>>You can then from NT edit your own pref's. TM>>Torbj|rn DM> Hello Torbj, DM> I have Win95 & NT installed, and NT's boot manager. From what you DM> say here, can I edit the order of the choices so Win95 is the default, DM> instead of NT? NT is an experiment, see, but win95 is where I have to DM> live for now. (*grin*) DM> Dennis DR>In Windows NT 4.0: DR>Control Panel --> System --> Startup/Shutdown --> Startup: DR>Or DR>Right Mouse Click My Computer --> Properties --> Startup/Shutdown --> DR>Startup: You can also directly edit C:\BOOT.INI. Note the syntax of the "default=" line and compare it to the choices to the menu selections below it. The above procedure or the use of TweakUI (yep, it works in NT, too) make it lot easier. --- *Durango b200 #NR* DurangoMail for Windows NT/95 --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 206 WINDOWS 32BIT Ref: F1U00001 Date: 01/24/98 From: JEFF GUERDAT Time: 08:34am \/To: JOHN ALDRICH (Read 2 times) Subj: Win98 On 01-21-98, JOHN ALDRICH said to JOHN KUHNS: JA>Weeell...the system *I* saw wouldn't recognize the network interface card JA>and refused to talk to a Win95 machine or a DOS machine...and it kept JA>refusing to read the Win98 CDROM....just minor "inconvenineces" like that. JA>This was a friend of mine who's on the beta team... One thing to remember is that it can also be faulty hardware. People don't want to believe it but it's frequently true. Just a possibility... --- *Durango b200 #NR* DurangoMail for Windows NT/95 --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 206 WINDOWS 32BIT Ref: F1U00002 Date: 01/22/98 From: DALE ROSS Time: 09:27pm \/To: TORBJORN MOHN (Read 2 times) Subj: Dual Boot w/ Win95 >> Great. Someone at work told me I had to install NT onto the same partition >> as W95 in order to use the NT dual boot. TM> That is NOT true.... In fact it's not very smart either. By installing NT TM> on a separate partition, you can use the NTFS file system on that TM> partition, much preferred to the FAT system. NTFS can not be used by TM> Win95... With the proper Driver installed Windows 95 can read NTFS drives. Dale --- Msged/NT 4.20 beta 3 * Origin: Win32 Support BBS +1.704.588.2669 (1:379/45@fidonet) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 206 WINDOWS 32BIT Ref: F1U00003 Date: 01/22/98 From: DALE ROSS Time: 09:27pm \/To: JOHN ALDRICH (Read 2 times) Subj: Win98 JA>>> Well, I got to see what Win98 looks like...at least Beta3. :) It looks JA>>> a LOT like Win95, except buggier. :) John JK>> Probbaly why it is still in eta. JK>> Care to share why it is *buggier* that 95? JA> Weeell...the system *I* saw wouldn't recognize the network interface card JA> and refused to talk to a Win95 machine or a DOS machine...and it kept JA> refusing to read the Win98 CDROM....just minor "inconvenineces" like hat. JA> This was a friend of mine who's on the beta team... Again your mileage may vary. Here I have Windows 95 running on several computers on a Network. No problem at all installing or recognizing NICs, CD-ROM drives or sound Cards. Dale --- Msged/NT 4.20 beta 3 * Origin: Win32 Support BBS +1.704.588.2669 (1:379/45@fidonet) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 206 WINDOWS 32BIT Ref: F1U00004 Date: 01/24/98 From: DALE ROSS Time: 01:17am \/To: JOHN ALDRICH (Read 2 times) Subj: Win98 DR>> Maybe Windows 95 + IE 4.0. JA> Yep...that's about the size of it, from what I understand. :) And that is pretty accurate. There are some difference beyond the IE4.0 look and feel. But they are not very noticeable. DR>> My general experience of Windows 98 Beta 3 has been that it is MORE DR>> stable than Windows 95b. But then I am runnig Windows 98 on very modern, DR>> well supported equipment. JA> Hmm....yeah...my friend had, I think, a P166, which may be a BIT slower JA> than Win98 would like... :) Not sure of the memory or drivespace...I just JA> wonder why it kept losing the CDROM and wouldn't see the NIC... P166 is a higher end machine than I had it running on recently. I ran it on a Toshiba Satellite Pro, Pentium 90. I did not notice it to be any slower than Windows 95 and in fact found it to be faster. There are several enhancements in Windows 98 which will help most applications run faster. I do not run DriveSpace on ANY of my personal systems. I don't trust it. Plus it's too darn slow. Besides I'm a Windows NT guy and _FORCE_ Windows 95/98 on family. I do run Windows 98 in certain instances on my NEC VERSA 6220. However Windows NT runs better on it IMO than Windows 98. Why was it losing the CDROM and NIC? It's hard to say. The OS is still beta and I am sure that it can do some strange things on certain hardware. JA> Anyway, I think I'll wait until about a year after it's released so they JA> can work the major bugs out of the full release version. That's what I did JA> with Win95 and it's working fine. :) And I am not going to say that this is the wrong thing to do. Everyone has to make their own decisions on when they will choose to run a new OS. Personally from what I've seen of Windows 98 so far, I see no reason to run go for it right away. That is IF you see reasons that make you want to upgrade. Dale --- Msged/NT 4.20 beta 3 * Origin: Win32 Support BBS +1.704.588.2669 (1:379/45@fidonet) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 206 WINDOWS 32BIT Ref: F1U00005 Date: 01/24/98 From: DALE ROSS Time: 01:25am \/To: GARY GILMORE (Read 2 times) Subj: Win98 GG>> It's getting better all the time. :-) DR>> Have to agree with you 100% DR>> But it stil ain't Windows NT GG> That it ain't! You need to take a week vacation in Detroit and come help GG> me set up my NT 4.0 Server box, dangit! :-) GG> I'll supply the ammo -and- gun if you do come. Interesting offer. Too bad you are not closer to Chicago. Our Corporate offices are in Vernon Hills, Ill. However I could have reason to go to Ann Arbor sometime soon. Should I have a chance to make it to your neck of the woods I'd be happy to help you setup it up. Or I can offer the next best thing, Ma Bell. I think you are going to find that it is VERY easy to setup. Too easy. I took my system down the other night to upgrade the Hard Drive. I also figured it was a good time to do a CLEAN install. I had Windows NT Server 4.0, with SP3, Microsoft Exchange Server 4.0 with SP1, Internet Information Server 3.0 (WWW and FTP), Microsoft Proxy Server, WINS, DHCP Server, Remote Access Server all setup in a matter of hours. It's just getting too darn easy to do. Dale --- Msged/NT 4.20 beta 3 * Origin: Win32 Support BBS +1.704.588.2669 (1:379/45@fidonet) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 206 WINDOWS 32BIT Ref: F1U00006 Date: 01/24/98 From: CHRIS HOLTEN Time: 05:15pm \/To: TORBJORN MOHN (Read 2 times) Subj: Dual Boot w/ Win95 > I have Win95 & NT installed, and NT's boot manager. From what you > say here, can I edit the order of the choices so Win95 is the default, > instead of NT? NT is an experiment, see, but win95 is where I have to > live for now. (*grin*) TM> I'm quite the opposite... I use NT at work and on my TM> BBS computer, but at the moment win95 on the computer I TM> use for fun. NT has got poor support for some games.:) TM> However I prefer NT :) You can't have it both ways Torbjorn Nor hopefully will you ever with NT. You can have a well protected -stable- 32 bit multitasking operating system (IE NT, OS/2, Unix, etc) that does a great job running newer more sopisticated software or you can have what some consider "good" 16 bit legacy support for games and a few other poorly done 16 bit apps and does a less than mediocre job running the more sophisticated software. You'll never have both because good operating system design makes that impossible. As one requires that the other not protect the OS/Hardware from 20 year old programming technology/practices that bypassed the OS (including DOS) and directly accessed the hardware (typically video and hard drive). I may be overly sensitive to this "issue" and for that I apologize. But it's -really- a misnoner to allude that it is some kind of fault of NT (Or OS/2 for that matter) that a boatload of games and some other 16 bit software containing "junk" programming won't run in NT. Protecting the computer system from outdated "rogue" programming practices is one of the most wonderful things there is about Windows NT and why it is so stable. If 16 bit programmers had brains enough and the forsight to make thier software 100% DOS compatible they would find thier software would perform as well or better in NT as it does in DOS or Windows 95. No doubt the marketeers of 16 bit legacy software will always blame NT if thier software doesn't run in NT and due to consumer ignorance, they have been getting away with that for more than a decade, but the truth is they should be blaming thier less than competent programming staff instead. NT won't, for very good reason, change to fit the needs of those who implement crappy programming practices. Crappy programmers are going to have to change, or be left out in the cold (Aww Say YEA!). I find Windows NT a really great way to weed out poorly done DOS and Windows software where in a lessor protected OS like W95, that weeding process could be more difficult. I don't want to buy or run poorly done less than stable software and I also want to keep my software "upwardly compatible". That way, I won't have to buy an "upgrade" to software than is already working fine if I upgrade to the a newer better version of NT or OS/2 (W95's derivatives (W9X) are out of the question because of thier lack of protection and the other sacrifices in stability W9X makes for the sake of "100% backwards compatibility"). Hence if it doesn't run in NT or the software company won't garantee that it will run in NT, then there is a 99 44/100% probability that the programmer has used some dumb "rogue" programming practice or "bug" that will make his software less stable in any Multitasking OS, even Windows 95, which is really not a very well protected multitasking OS (at all). I use that guideline even for systems that are running 95. All of my NT and Windows 95 systems have become much more stable since I adopted that software policy a couple of years ago. My number one criterion is stable computer systems and it's amazing how much less time spent and hassle you don't have when you insist on it. I think most people will find that they won't miss a thing as there are always plenty of NT compatible alternatives and fewer and fewer "rogue" programs to have to find an alternative to anyway. Software developers are getting better and smarter all the time..including the game software companys. Even the the game people are seeing the hand writing on the wall. --- Maximus/NT 3.01b1 * Origin: Cowboy Country USA! (1:303/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 206 WINDOWS 32BIT Ref: F1U00007 Date: 01/24/98 From: CHRIS HOLTEN Time: 05:25pm \/To: TORBJORN MOHN (Read 2 times) Subj: Dual Boot w/ Win95 >> Yes... IT wil be installed on the boot partition of >> your system, and you can >> install NT separately on a different partition >> without any problems at all. > Great. Someone at work told me I had to install NT > onto the same partition > as W95 in order to use the NT dual boot. TM> That is NOT true.... In fact it's not very smart TM> either. By installing NT on a separate partition, you TM> can use the NTFS file system on that partition, much TM> preferred to the FAT system. NTFS can not be used by Win95... Well he doesn't -have- to install it in the same partition but he darned sure can with no difficulty or loss of performance as compared to making a small NTFS partition to install NT into. As far as smart, that would depend on whether you want to measure "smart" based on complexity or on simplicity vs performance. You can install NT into the same partitions as W95 quite easily and it works quite well. That's the way most people do it should they get a hankering to dual boot NT with W95. You have to have W95 already installed and then you install NT on the same partition in a different directory. Then when you get tired of farting around with Win95, you DELTREE \WIN95 and CONVERT the drive to NTFS and you never have to look back, nor do you have figure out how to move NT from that little NTFS parition you made back to the big one. On the other hand, if you want to get rid of NT, all you have to do is DELTREE \WINNT, boot off a Win95 boot disk, do a FDISK /MBR and SYS C: and del c:\pagefile.sys and NT is gone and you didn't have to pirate partition magic to get your small NTFS partition merged back to one W95 partition. Is it smart to keep it simple, especially if you have just as good a performance and less future maintenance? Also (Like installing NT in the same partition with W95, multiple partitions with NT and NTFS is something I gather you haven't much experience with either), from a performance standpoint, there really isn't much point running NT on a seperate NTFS partition if you are still going to have to have a large FAT partition for W95 and to share programs and data with. No doubt, NTFS is a much better file system than FAT or FAT32, but you aren't going to gain much of anything other than a bit more complexity by having a separate NTFS partition just to load NT from. If you want to get the benifits of NTFS you need to have it on the partitions you are running all your software from and storing your data on also. But "Smart"...I dunno...many people think if they do something that makes thier system more complex and "nerdy" then it's better which automatically makes them "smart". Multiple partitions with varying file systems and OS's are a hobby computist's favorite, if you can make it more complex by multible booting to multiple partitions and takes longer to setup and requires more time fiddling with, then it must be better. I'm here to tell you, if you enjoy farting around with computers then doing stuff like that, it -is- more fun, but it seems that rarely qualifys it as better . But this thread reminds me...You -have- heard of the Fidnet Xperdado Medal of Valor haven't you? For instance...A person that qualifys for that could be a fidonet sysop echomail junkie running the required multible booting DOS, W95, OS/2, NT and Linux setup that has at least 7 partitions, five of which are native to the multiple OS's being run (FAT, FAT32, HPFS, NTFS and Linux). Silver clusters may be awarded if the computist manages to have 3 or more hard drives of which he got at least two from a computer swap meet or flea market or are 130meg or less in size. Points are added if he is running Those three IDE drives in combination with a WD FAST 7000 8 bit SCSI controller and an 80meg 5 1/4" full height Seagate SCSI drive and has installed a internal 4" fan to keep the whole thing cool . Not that the FN Experdado system is "better" and perhaps not even "Smarter", but he gets the recognition because he can get into any Fidonet hardware, operating system, tech or BBS software echo conference and tell war stories all night long about his experiences with it (OS's, SCSI, IDE, Multible Booting, Running his bbs in X operating system, etc). S'what makes the fidonet world go round, but I'm not sure that qualifys any of us as "smart" . --- Maximus/NT 3.01b1 * Origin: Cowboy Country USA! (1:303/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 206 WINDOWS 32BIT Ref: F1U00008 Date: 01/24/98 From: CHRIS HOLTEN Time: 05:01pm \/To: DALE ROSS (Read 2 times) Subj: Win98 JA>> Well, I got to see what Win98 looks like...at least JA>> Beta3. :) It looks a LOT like Win95, except buggier. :) GG> I can assure you, just "a look" wouldn't tell you if it were "buggy". GG> Of course, there are bugs (umm, that's why we're GG> beta testing it), but it's GG> very, very stable, especially since near & beyond DR> Beta3. (Build 1650... I'm GG> currently downloading build 1666 as I write this.) GG> It's getting better all the time. :-) DR> Have to agree with you 100% DR> But it stil ain't Windows NT Was it ever supposed to be? --- Maximus/NT 3.01b1 * Origin: Cowboy Country USA! (1:303/1)