--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 204 SEARCH & RESCUE Ref: C3I00000Date: 03/12/95 From: LAWRENCE CHEN Time: 1:16Bam \/To: GARY DUNNE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: First Aid In a message dated 06 Mar 95 07:47:00, GARY DUNNE wrote: GD> I was just wondering.... GD> I have my Standard First Aid, and Basic rescuer CPR, and now the army GD> has me on some more courses, they are First Aid and CPR Instructor GD> courses, and one called Wilderness Survival First Aid. Has anyone GD> ever done these before? I know all are through St John's Amb. if that GD> helps! Any idea as to what they cost civie street?? ( thats to the GD> public, sorry ) As they are paying me to take them, but I would like GD> to know if they are expensive courses!? GD> GARY} GD> Also, is there any SAR units in Canada Pay or Vol. That are not GD> Military, or any Mountain Rescue units?? Well, I don't know what current rates for St. John's is, but the SFA/CPR course is $80 from the Canadian Red Cross (my employer paid for mine). I've heard of the other courses, there was a WFA (Wilderness) course just this weekend through the local college I think. Maybe one of my other users will chime in...I know some of them are with St. John's. Even a couple of instructors lurking about. Interesting that your message comes from the SAFnet side, but didn't show up on my system in the SAFnet areas......must be before the link was fixed. 73 de Lawrence, VE6LKC @ VE6PAQ.#SAB.AB.CAN.NA --- DLG Pro v1.0/PDQMail v2.54 * Origin: Lunatic Haven - Medicine Hat, Alberta CANADA (1:134/3002) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 204 SEARCH & RESCUE Ref: C3L00000Date: 03/13/95 From: ED GERMAIN Time: 08:28am \/To: GREY LACERTE (Read 1 times) Subj: Radio Frequencies? Grey Lacerte wrote in a message to Ken Cottrell: > CELLULAR is the way to go! (even over HAM) KC> Nahhh.. WAY to expensive!!! :) GL> Okay, we're talking a $100 for the phone (less if you get GL> an annual agreement) plus airtime. I'm on a special rate GL> for our group, so I pay $0.21/minute and that's it! No GL> monthly fees, etc. Even with the standard $20.00 a month GL> plus $0.27/minute airtime it still isn't that expensive. Taking the last bit first: $20/month for us means $80/month and that is too expensive. BUT, what kind of arrangement do you have with your grup that waives monthly fees? I spoke with Cellular One and was told that they HAD a special program, but it was cancelled and was not going to be restarted. I left msg for the President of Cellular One, but he did not return my call. --- timEd 1.00+ * Origin: Aeolus BBS, Andover, MA (508) 470-0571 (1:324/114) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 204 SEARCH & RESCUE Ref: C3L00001Date: 03/13/95 From: ED GERMAIN Time: 08:31am \/To: TIM KENDRICK (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Radio Frequencies? Tim Kendrick wrote in a message to Ed Germain: TK> The critical question is what type of RELIABLE reception TK> coverage is common to all the areas in which you operate? There appear to be two possibilities. Cellular phones are marginally more reliable. The areas we are in are the shoreline ocean in ME and NH, the White Mts of NH, the Gunks in NY, various rivers in NH, MA, ME. The second way to go, much cheaper right now, is HAM. We have just had a gift of 6 dual-band UHF/VHF tiny transceivers. They cover the 2 meter and 70cm bands, but appear able to be extended so that we could reach the marine band (for ocean rescue calling to Coast Guard). These are 2-5 watt radios. In nearly all of the areas we use there are repeaters on frequencies we can access--at least so I have been told. However, I now have to face the issue of getting us all Technician Licenses, which is a pain if you're not otherwise an enthusiast. TK> Someone has raised the idea of ELBs but I agree they are not TK> really designed for this kind of thing, although they are TK> made for marine use as well as air. Incidentally, despite TK> what someone said, the air ones won't go off when jarred TK> unless they are 'armed', so that is not a problem - you TK> would just carry them unarmed. ELB's are a hot political issue here; I can't touch them. TK> If the areas are all covered by cellular, then I suggest TK> this is the way to go - with a corporate or individual TK> sponsor. After 35 years you surely have many grateful TK> graduates - some probably rich - and a little PR blitz might TK> do the trick. If you only operate at weekends maybe rental TK> phones would suffice. Not that rich. We're funded entirely by alumni, but manage nicely though careful purchasing. Can't afford this. On the other hand, perhaps we could encourage our school to buy them, and then borrow them... hmmm, I'll see what happens in this direction. TK> And what about CB, if REACT covers the area? Even a 4-watt TK> walkie-talkie can go a long way if it has an efficient, TK> light wire antenna set up properly. You should be able to TK> find someone to advise you on this (and maybe even do a TK> little 'tweaking' to turn it into a 'power' CB, legally or TK> otherwise, for emergency use). REACT doesn't cover, and where it does, there is less likelyhood that someone is listening than on HAM frequencies (I've been told). Thank you and everyone else for helping us think through this problem. I'm still not sure what the answer is, but I have these little radios.... --- timEd 1.00+ * Origin: Aeolus BBS, Andover, MA (508) 470-0571 (1:324/114) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 204 SEARCH & RESCUE Ref: C3L00002Date: 03/13/95 From: ED GERMAIN Time: 08:48am \/To: JOE NICHOLSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Radio Frequencies? Joe Nicholson wrote in a message to Ed Germain: -=> Quoting Ed Germain to All <=- EG> I direct an outdoors program, rather like Outward Bound (actually, its EG> parent). It's at a high school, kids take it as a varsity sport. EG> I want to include some kind of emergency communication device in each EG> faculty leader's pack. Cellular phones are out because the monthly JN> Does your school district have a security JN> department/police department? It should be able to obtain JN> an FCC license that would allow communications between the JN> program leaders and the dispatch center. Yes, it does. But we range hundreds of miles away. --- timEd 1.00+ * Origin: Aeolus BBS, Andover, MA (508) 470-0571 (1:324/114) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 204 SEARCH & RESCUE Ref: C3L00003Date: 03/15/95 From: TERESA WHITCHURCH Time: 07:44pm \/To: DAN MOHRBACHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Comment 03/15/95 7:42pm sorry i missed your phone call. i have a house full of teenagers and mom hardly gets the phone ...please try again... thanks --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v0.9D * Origin: CPREF-The Electronic Siren : 916-873-6212 (1:119/1033) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 204 SEARCH & RESCUE Ref: C3M00000Date: 03/17/95 From: SEAN SMITH Time: 10:27am \/To: ED GERMAIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Radio Frequencies? -=> Quoting Ed Germain to Tim Kendrick <=- TK> The critical question is what type of RELIABLE reception TK> coverage is common to all the areas in which you operate? EG> There appear to be two possibilities. Cellular phones are marginally EG> more reliable. The areas we are in are the shoreline ocean in ME and But if you in hilly or mountainous turain they're practically useless you'll spend more time trying to find a spot where you can talk from then acually searching for the subject. EG> The second way to go, much cheaper right now, is HAM. We have just EG> had a gift of 6 dual-band UHF/VHF tiny transceivers. They cover the 2 EG> meter and 70cm bands, but appear able to be extended so that we could EG> reach the marine band (for ocean rescue calling to Coast Guard). EG> These are 2-5 watt radios. In nearly all of the areas we use there EG> are repeaters on frequencies we can access--at least so I have been EG> told. EG> However, I now have to face the issue of getting us all Technician EG> Licenses, which is a pain if you're not otherwise an enthusiast. Yes HAM radio's are cheaper and usally have an extensive repeater network. Most radios can also be modified to transmitte out of the HAM bands. With very little difficulty. And during an emergency I believe that anyone with the knowledge to operate a radio can on what ever freq. they need to. TK> And what about CB, if REACT covers the area? Even a 4-watt TK> walkie-talkie can go a long way if it has an efficient, TK> light wire antenna set up properly. You should be able to TK> find someone to advise you on this (and maybe even do a TK> little 'tweaking' to turn it into a 'power' CB, legally or TK> otherwise, for emergency use). CB radio is only good in areas where there is very little in the way of hills and vallies. Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being responsible for CB's that are modified for a higher power level. Although if you are searching near major highways or on open water they do have possiblities. EG> REACT doesn't cover, and where it does, there is less likelyhood that EG> someone is listening than on HAM frequencies (I've been told). EG> Thank you and everyone else for helping us think through this problem. EG> I'm still not sure what the answer is, but I have these little EG> radios.... You may ask where I have formed these opinions. I have done extensive tests for our search group both in the flatland of Alberta and in the mountains. Sean Smith, VE6SAR Director of Communications, KTR MSAR ... Urinalysis: The study of Pissed Off People --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: EXCESS BBS *28.8* HAYES:(403)285-7338 USR:(403)285-4830 (1:134/17) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 204 SEARCH & RESCUE Ref: C3M00001Date: 03/17/95 From: JUSTIN MOORE Time: 09:31am \/To: ED GERMAIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Radio Frequencies? EG> REACT doesn't cover, and where it does, there is less likelyhood that EG> someone is listening than on HAM frequencies (I've been told). It really depends on the area. Here in San Antonio, our REACT team is able to monitor CB Ch 9 almost 24hrs a day - using different base stations located around the city. And on another point, there's a good chance you'll be able to get ahold of REACT on HAM and GMRS (which could be another option in this discussion - GMRS 462.675 is the national emergency frequency - with the help of a repeater, GMRS could be a useful radio band to utilize. More formal than HAM but less interference than CB). - Justin San Antonio REACT 3622 Unit 610 --- Xenolink 1.0 Z.3, EmacsXL.4 * Origin: The DreamScape - (210) 922-3247 - San Antonio, TX (1:387/741) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 204 SEARCH & RESCUE Ref: C3M00002Date: 03/12/95 From: STEVE PACK Time: 11:17pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Gregory Pack A note to all..... The Gregory Pack I had posted for sale has been sold. Thanks to all who replied. Steve Pack ... steve.pack@narrows.damar.com --- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR] # Origin: Killarney Narrows * Huntington, WV * (144:2400/10) * Origin: Safety Connection BBS 801-831-4498 [Hayes V.34] (1:3003/911.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 204 SEARCH & RESCUE Ref: C3P00000Date: 03/17/95 From: GREY LACERTE Time: 12:48pm \/To: ED GERMAIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Radio Frequencies? Boy, this is an OLD message!!!! EG> Taking the last bit first: $20/month for us means EG> $80/month and that is too expensive. BUT, what kind of EG> arrangement do you have with your grup that waives EG> monthly fees? We have a government account. Government, you may ask? Well, out here, all SAR is done through the sheriff. We had to get two government agencies to vouch for us, and we got the account. However, FYI, I am no longer with this group, but their account is still going... Also, since AT&T took over CellularONE, look for some changes. I know our pager service (Interlink Communications of Colorado -- now AT&T Wireless Services) has made many changes... If you need further, netmail me at 1:128/125...I don't read this echo (it's on another BBS) very often (like once every month)... EG> I spoke with Cellular One and was told that they HAD a EG> special program, but it was cancelled and was not going EG> to be restarted. I left msg for the President of EG> Cellular One, but he did not return my call. I think you are referring to their "Cellular for the Community" in which they donate a phone and airtime to a specific community group for two years...That's still going, last I heard, but it is two groups per year... --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: FireNet Leader BBS, Colorado Springs, CO (719) 591-7415 (1:128/16) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 204 SEARCH & RESCUE Ref: C3Q00000Date: 03/19/95 From: GREG LEAFE Time: 10:09am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Dry suit 4 sale I have a diving dry suit for sale that was set up for myself for sar work it has a thigh pocket ant two knife pockets it includes valves and undergarments and has a good boot system on it. excellant condition and many extras. It is a DUI shell type in size XXL. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: SCTC Bulletin Board (1:203/50)