--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 203 C++ Ref: EBP00005 Date: 07/18/97 From: THOMAS MAEDER Time: 09:53pm \/To: DARIN MCBRIDE (Read 3 times) Subj: dBASE DM> First, good luck - AFAIK, dBASE is commercial software and their fil DM> would likely be proprietary. Yes, dBase is commercial. But the file format is publicly available (don't ask me for a source, though). About ten years ago, I wrote a Modula-2 module for accessing dBase files. I took the format information from a book. Thomas PS: No, I don't recall the name of the book. And no, I can't give the code. --- MM 1.0 #0113 Aging could be delayed if it had to go through Congress. * Origin: McMeier & Son BBS (2:301/138) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 203 C++ Ref: EBP00006 Date: 07/18/97 From: THOMAS MAEDER Time: 09:54pm \/To: KEVIN CAMPBELL (Read 3 times) Subj: template hell? KC> Well, do yoyu have some sample code then. I spent hours working on t KC> never managed to get it to work. Download a public STL. You can learn a lot about using templates when looking at the code. Thomas --- MM 1.0 #0113 I wasn't kissing her. I was just whispering in her mouth. * Origin: McMeier & Son BBS (2:301/138) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 203 C++ Ref: EBP00007 Date: 07/19/97 From: JERRY COFFIN Time: 07:31am \/To: CAMERON CLARK (Read 3 times) Subj: Signs of numbers On (17 Jul 97) Cameron Clark wrote to Jerry Coffin... JC> requires a "pure binary" representation for ints. I haven't tried JC> to check this in the C++ standard, but I believe its requirements JC> are probably closer to those of C90 than C9X. CC> I dweld around the www and the closest thing I found was the ansi CC> c++ draft page. If I read it correctly, C++ uses all the same CC> standards from C and only changes a few cosmetics: meaning the CC> syntax of the language and not the internals. I still have not CC> found reference for the storage of integers. Hmm...C++ changes considerably more than syntax, but if you're looking for a standard on how things are stored, you're right, you're not going to find it in either the C or C++ standard. C and C++ are both fairly machine oriented, meaning they allow the machine to store things in the most convenient form for the machine. There has been a proposal for a standardized format for binary files, and I believe it was formally placed before the C9X committee, but I believe the proposal was placed before the committee after they'd said they weren't going to accept more proposals for extensions, so it died a'borning, so to speak. Later, Jerry. ... The Universe is a figment of its own imagination. --- PPoint 1.90 * Origin: Point Pointedly Pointless (1:128/166.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 203 C++ Ref: EBP00008 Date: 07/19/97 From: JERRY COFFIN Time: 07:25am \/To: SUNIR SHAH (Read 3 times) Subj: Sunir ventures into C++ On (17 Jul 97) Sunir Shah wrote to Jerry Coffin... SS> I'm nowhere close. Since when can you do this: SS> int foo( void ) const; It's been quite a while. This is valid only for member functions and indicates that the member function isn't going to change the class of which it's a member. JC> Sort of - C++ specifically allows for other implementation JC> defined forms of main, rather than merely making all other forms JC> undefined. In the end, it makes little or no real difference in JC> how things work; if your implementation says you can use some JC> other form of main, you can. Otherwise, you can't (at least JC> dependably.) SS> Yippee. So main() is no longer a function. It's a mini- SS> environment, oblivious of the OS, like in Pascal. I thought C++ SS> was supposed to be an improved C? Pascal is going in the wrong SS> direction. :) Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how being implementation defined makes things much (or really ANY) different from how they've been all along. If a particular implemenation wants to accept a different form of main, it's always been able to do so. SS> There are some very good reasons to return values from main() SS> and hard code that into the standard, such as when you want to SS> consider the rest of world and not just Win95... Sure. If you're interested in portability, you don't use things that are implementation defined. Can you explain how `void main()' being undefined is ANY different from it being implementation defined? If there's a real difference, I'm missing it... Later, Jerry. ... The Universe is a figment of its own imagination. --- PPoint 1.90 * Origin: Point Pointedly Pointless (1:128/166.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 203 C++ Ref: EBP00009 Date: 07/19/97 From: NEIL HELLER Time: 08:27am \/To: ERIK WARMELINK (Read 3 times) Subj: DATABASE STUFF EW> Been there, done that. :-( You touched on one of the reasons why on a micro, ODBC is really a much more civilized way to deal with databases requiring SQL than a system which requires a separate preprocessor. However, maintaining the correct ODBC driver in memory while the underlying program runs is still kind of a drag; version control always has been and probably always will be a hassle. I wonder if it's time for some compiler manufacturer to ingeniously combine the two? * KWQ/2 1.2i * --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: Diablo Valley PCUG-BBS, Walnut Creek, CA 510/943-6238 (1:161/55) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 203 C++ Ref: EBQ00000 Date: 07/18/97 From: KEVIN CAMPBELL Time: 05:13pm \/To: BEN (Read 3 times) Subj: Video Modes > Virtual screen? ... No?>....hmmm.. Well the only way you could do something like that would be by using a graphics mode, and drawing borders and text to suit the size of your screen. Have Fun - Kev Kevin Campbell Sysop of Deimos BBS E-Mail: Sysop@Deimos.unmanned.co.uk --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: Mail shipped from Deimos Spaceport (2:258/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 203 C++ Ref: EBQ00001 Date: 07/19/97 From: DAVE BOYD Time: 06:30pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Please help me Hi there, I'm just really getting started in C/C++ and I have a few general questions I hope someone will be able to help me with....Oh, I'm using Borland C++ If I have my source code...graph.c and I compile it giving me my graph.obj, how on this earth do I manage to get my graph.h file to #include in later programs ? Maybe there is an easy answer but I just cant seem to work it out. So, anyway, help me if you can please.. Thanks Dave --- * Origin: UKRAS RA Support group +44-232-768163 (2:443/59) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 203 C++ Ref: EBQ00002 Date: 07/20/97 From: SUNIR SHAH Time: 02:46am \/To: DARIN MCBRIDE (Read 3 times) Subj: Sunir ventures into C++ To: Darin Mcbride Subject: Sunir ventures into C++ SS> Some of you know me, some of you don't, but that's not the point of SS> this message, is it? DM> I love you too. Allow me: DM> :-) SS> Yes, I've finally broken down and learnt C++... DM> But not English. (Learned?) Learnt is valid. Which one is American? I'd bet that 'learnt' is the American bletcherism of English but I find it hard to say learned for some reason. This topic is burnt. Ha ha. SS> 1) Where can I find electronic AND printed versions of the draft SS> proposal of the C++ standard DM> Hmmmm... I saw it on the net somewhere, but unfortunately I don't know DM> where it got to. :-) Thanks. That'll help a lot. ;) SS> 2) Is the icky void main(void) actually allowed in C++? Ugh... DM> NO. YAY! SS --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: BitByters BBS, Rockland ON, Can. (613)446-7773 v34, (1:163/215) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 203 C++ Ref: EBQ00003 Date: 07/20/97 From: SUNIR SHAH Time: 02:49am \/To: RON BASS (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Sunir ventures into To: Ron Bass Subject: Re: Sunir ventures into C SS> Yes, I've finally broken down and learnt C++... RB> Hmmm! You may be the only one here who has... To be fair, I'm researching into why C++ is evil. C forever! Actually, C++ has its moments. It has a lot of bad moments, but it has some good ones too. The only problem I have is that I'm using MFC so I'm essentially learning a foreign language. Only the operators look familiar! ;) [it even reads like Magyar, bleeding Hungarian Notation] SS> I have two questions: SS> 1) Where can I find electronic AND printed versions of the draft roposal SS> of the C++ standard (a little light reading before bedtime)? RB> Back on February 23, Jerry Coffin cross posted the RB> following usenet message here: Thanks. RB> Glad to see you've found a new home. Thanks! Glad to be back. I'm an addict. ;) SS --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: BitByters BBS, Rockland ON, Can. (613)446-7773 v34, (1:163/215) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 203 C++ Ref: EBQ00004 Date: 07/20/97 From: SUNIR SHAH Time: 02:52am \/To: FERNANDO ARIEL GONT (Read 3 times) Subj: Quiero Aprender C++ To: Fernando Ariel Gont Subject: QUIERO APRENDER C++ FAG> In many parts of the book, the writer mentions "AT&T"....What's the FAG> relation between "AT&T" and the C (or C++) language? Bjarne Stroustrup, as an employee of AT&T, created C++ to better write switching software. Hence, AT&T C++ is the original version just like K&R C is the original version of C. SS --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: BitByters BBS, Rockland ON, Can. (613)446-7773 v34, (1:163/215)