--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 201 PRO VIDEO Ref: D1X00001 Date: 01/27/96 From: THEODORE VERALRUD Time: 12:26am \/To: KELLY CAMPBELL (Read 6 times) Subj: Re: Video tosters. No. I read in the new issue of 'Camcorder' mag. (March '96) that they are working on a Toaster board for the IBM! First Lightwave 3D now the Toaster, Newtek the company that gave us the power is the same company that is screwing us. I guess to "them" (or maybe just Tim Jenison) the $$$ means more. Keep your head high, shoot a clone user while your at it. -Ted Veralrud, (916)273-4795 --- CNet/3 * Origin: Applied Computer Systems - Sacramento, CA (916)338-2543 1:203/227) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 201 PRO VIDEO Ref: D1Z00000 Date: 01/29/96 From: JAY DAVIS Time: 11:42pm \/To: JOE BEELS (Read 6 times) Subj: For Sale In article 'For Sale', Joe Beels wrote: JB> Hitachi FP-15 Camera w/road case What format is this camera? "Sometimes You Feel Like A Nut..." --- EXCELSIOR! BBS v1.21j; XMAIL! v1.89 * Origin: The Psychotic BBS | 28.8 V.FC | (501) 646-3399 * (1:3822/6.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 201 PRO VIDEO Ref: D2200000 Date: 01/28/96 From: JOHN SOLTYSIAK Time: 07:27pm \/To: MARTIN BOULIANNE (Read 6 times) Subj: Better than Toaster *** Quoting Martin Boulianne to Kelly Campbell dated 01-25-96 *** > Shure I know of a lot of different systems that are better than the > Amiga/Toaster combination,the problem is they all cost over $50 000 at > least. Speaking of which, how much does a complete Toaster package run these days? ~~~~ --- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: The Abacus * v.34 * (517)645-0239 * Node 4 (1:159/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 201 PRO VIDEO Ref: D2300000 Date: 02/02/96 From: KEN BLYSTONE Time: 06:11am \/To: ALL (Read 7 times) Subj: Video Production > I run an educational BBS for local area teachers and > students. A couple of years ago about a dozen schools > started an AV production class. The reason we added this > echo conference to our mix was to give students and teachers > a place to ask questions about video production. Is this > the right place? Who participates here? > After reading a few messages it seems like this might be the place for students to ask questions. All of our schools are equipped with Amiga Video Toasters. It seems like this is a popular piece of equipment but it also seems like it is no longer supported since Commodore went under. Is there a toaster for IBM? Where do you get it? --- VP [DOS] V4.09e * Origin: Digital Foundation Fidonet Link | El Paso, Texas (1:381/64) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 201 PRO VIDEO Ref: D2400000 Date: 02/02/96 From: CHRIS BAUGH Time: 06:57pm \/To: JOHN SOLTYSIAK (Read 6 times) Subj: Toaster pricing JS> Speaking of which, how much does a complete Toaster package JS> run these days? ~~~~ A base system, including Amiga computer and Toaster card and software, can be put together (new or used) for just under $5000. With a wide variety of accessories such as additional cards and hard disks for nonlinear audio and video editing, time base correctors, waveform monitor card, lots of RAM, CPU accelerator, plenty of software etc., a high-end system could go up to as much as around $20,000. An especially appealing feature of Amiga/Toaster systems is that they tend to hold their resale value after a few years, compared to Intel based PCs which have nasty depreciation as soon as the next generation of chips is released. If the only use of the Toaster system would be for access to the Lightwave 3D software, it might make more sense to get the software alone and a very fast dedicated rendering station. This combination could also run around $5k to $20k. At the high end of that price range, a complete scene lasting several seconds, and with a high level of detail and realism, could be rendered each day. If you have back issues of Post, Millimeter and comparable magazines, look for the many articles that have been done indicating that many professionals find the Amiga and Toaster to offer outstanding value as capital expenses. --- PPoint 1.98 * Origin: - (1:105/290.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 201 PRO VIDEO Ref: D2400001 Date: 02/03/96 From: CHRIS BAUGH Time: 04:27pm \/To: KEN BLYSTONE (Read 6 times) Subj: Toaster KB> All of our schools are equipped with Amiga Video Toasters. It KB> seems like this is a popular piece of equipment but it also KB> seems like it is no longer supported since Commodore went KB> under. Is there a toaster for IBM? Where do you get it? Let me bring you up to date on the Amiga/Toaster situation. The Video Toaster is made by Newtek of Topeka, Kansas. Newtek and Commodore had no official business relationship. The Toaster hardware does require the Amiga computer's special chips and software in order to work. Newtek has a "Toaster for Windows" which consists of a complete Toaster and Amiga combination system, with the entire system controlled by a separate Windows based computer. The only advantage of this setup is that it lets someone who will only buy something "for Windows" to have a reason to justify the purchase of the Amiga computer system that the Toaster requires. Newtek also sells the Flyer editing system. This card can either run in the Amiga, or in Newtek's stand-alone portable box that can be controlled by either an Amiga or a Windows system. Newtek also sells its Lightwave 3D software for a variety of computer systems including Windows NT systems. (Notice that NT is a bit different than the popular Windows 95; it's not the same system.) After Commodore went out of business, a German company, Escom, bought all the Amiga technology. Escom set up Amiga Technologies as a new company to sell Amiga computers and to develop new Amigas. The Amiga is for sale again, but it's a bit hard to find and it may take a few years to regain its former level of popularity. However, video professionals continue to find that the Amiga can be a great tool for video production. For details about Escom and the Amiga, the AMIGA conference is a great resource. There used to also be an AMIGA_VIDEO conference with a lot of Toaster users; I'm not sure if it's still available. Various Windows-based conferences can also explain the different versions of Windows available these days. --- PPoint 1.98 * Origin: - (1:105/290.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 201 PRO VIDEO Ref: D2400002 Date: 02/03/96 From: MARTIN BOULIANNE Time: 06:35am \/To: JOHN SOLTYSIAK (Read 6 times) Subj: Better than Toaster Good Day to you Mr. Soltysiak If you look around for used equipement, you can find an Amiga 2000/Toaster with a few extras for around $3000 CDN. If your lucky an A4000/Toaster fully loaded for $6000, I found mine for a meager $4500. Or brand spanking new an Amiga 4000T/Toaster 4000, 16 mrg ram, 1 gig HD, TBC and a few programs for about $15 000, And if you add a meager $12 000 to add a Flyer with a few big HD you can go NON LINEA Martin Boulianne Member TEAM AMIGA Club Amiga Rive Sud -=ZooM=- ZooM --- Xenolink 1.981, XEmacs 1.2 * Origin: Le Club Amiga Rive-Sud(CARS), Montreal,PQ(514)335-4076 (1:167/550) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 201 PRO VIDEO Ref: D2500000 Date: 02/01/96 From: MARK SALUD Time: 01:29pm \/To: KEN BLYSTONE (Read 6 times) Subj: Re: Query Hello, sir. My name is Mark and I know a few people in my Amiga User Group who have experiences in video production. One of them is our group president, known on the bbs as Cyberdude. There are two others in our group, such as my brother, whom I am also a business partner with in our home videomaking business. Do your students want advice on the subject? Proper lighting? Camcorder techniques? Let us know. --- CNet/3 * Origin: Tierra-Miga A3000-040T 619.292.0754 V.FC (1:202/1630) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 201 PRO VIDEO Ref: D2500001 Date: 02/03/96 From: TONY TANG Time: 09:07pm \/To: KEN BLYSTONE (Read 6 times) Subj: Re: Video Production *** Quoting Ken Blystone from a message to All *** KB> equipped with Amiga Video Toasters. It seems like this is a popular KB> piece of equipment but it also seems like it is no longer supported KB> since Commodore went under. Is there a toaster for IBM? Where do KB> you get it? Commodore might have gone under... I'm not sure. But I do know for a fact that a company (Amiga?) is in charge of new development. These machines are very popular in Europe, and I believe the offices are located there as well. New machine testing however, seems to be taking place in the U.S. But to answer your question about the Toaster for PC... Here is a retail price list I pulled off their WWW page. As you can see, NewTek does offer PC Toasters now. NEWTEK, INC. Product Price List _________________________________________________________________ For further information, please call Customer Service at 1-800-847-6111. _________________________________________________________________ Hardware Products Product Sugg. List ------------------------------------------------------------- Video Toaster 4000 $2,395.00 Video Toaster Flyer $4,995.00 Video Toaster for Windows-Pro include Video Toaster, Flyer, LCD $9,995.00 Video Toaster for Windows-Standard include Video Toaster, Flyer $7,995.00 Video Toaster for Windows Bay-Pro include Video Toaster, LCD $4,995.00 Video Toaster for Windows Bay-Standard include Video Toaster $2,995.00 Software Products Product Sugg. List