--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D4100002 Date: 03/31/96 From: JASON LAVOIE Time: 01:38am \/To: YVEL RHYTHM (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: lights YR> Yo dj's, I am looking for special effects, lights and all that shit. Also YR> chasers. If you have any for sale, leave me a message. I have a homemade chaser, and a homemade color organ if you're interested.. the chaser is in really good shape and is in a clear box so you can see everything. it also has an audio input that causes it to chase faster when the music is louder. Jason Lavoie --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Cranial Disturbance (613)723-9841 (1:163/572) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D4100003 Date: 03/31/96 From: YVEL RHYTHM Time: 03:03pm \/To: JASON LAVOIE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: lights JL> I have a homemade chaser, and a homemade color JL> organ if you're interested.. JL> the chaser is in really good shape and is in a JL> clear box so you can see JL> everything. it also has an audio input that JL> causes it to chase faster when JL> the music is louder. Ok I have a light organ too. Your chaser, how many outputs? Wattage of each outputs? Speed control? How old is it? What brand? Where did you buy it? And is it programable? Leave me a message with the info. Thanx Yvel Rhythm --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: BitByters BBS, Rockland ON, Can. (613)446-7773 v34, (1:163/215) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D4100004 Date: 03/31/96 From: ERIC FERRON Time: 09:52pm \/To: TERRY SMITH (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Car Audio? I bump into Terry trying to explain to Eric something about Re: Car Audio? EF> First of all, do you know exactly how loud 130db are? It's a car damned. TS> But some idiots LIKE hearing damage. I think "idiots" is a bit harsh, let's say "fools"! EF> Secondly: +-3dBs... You call this FLAT? 3dB is like twice as loud. Let's EF> try +-1dB please! TS> Over any listening area you're suggesting a tolerance which is simply Well, I though he was talking about components rather than room... but still! TS> not realistic. +/- 3 dB is pretty good for most sites, and TS> particularly good in a problem environment with lots of uncontrolled TS> surfaces. I would concur for arenas, stadium, homes,... but for anything that is "controlled listening area" it is WAY to much. In a world that people complain about .5dB, +/- 3dB is a immense fall-back. You have to remember that in most case, the +/- range is determined by how low and how high sound will be reproduced. That is to say that a +/-3dB 20-20K will most probably be a 40-16K +/- 1dB. With theses kinds of measurements, we confuse a CD (20-20K +/-1db) with a cassette (40-14K +/-1db). Theses two things DO NOT sound the same, but BOTH are 20-20K +/- 3dB!!! EF> I think we are confusing quality sound for lack of hearing anything EF> else! TS> Nah. That's after we make him a set of headphones from JBL 2445's, TS> and sweep 1.5-5 kHz into them at 50 W each. Think he'll be able to TS> hear himself say "louder than a jackhammer" afterwards? Nope, but that would also be cruel. Reminds me that today I heard this years first convertible car. I could hear him from about 200m away! TS> After all, not all of us can strive for the 100 dB dynamic range by TS> pushing our environmental noise floor below 20 dBspl. Even moreso when a CD gives us only about 96dB and most people only use about 60-70! TS> ! Origin: Do it near resonance! (203)732-0575 BPCN in CT Would that be in Connecticut! Where? Eric,... ... "Transporter Chief, Beam another 18in of snow to Connecticut...!" ;) ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- PCBoard (R) v15.21/M 10 * Origin: XON/XOFF Information Service (1:12/159) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D4100005 Date: 03/30/96 From: ERIC FERRON Time: 08:41am \/To: JOE BEELS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Car Audio? I bump into Joe trying to explain to Eric something about Re: Car Audio? JB> *** Quoting Eric Ferron to Drew Hohmann dated 03-24-96 *** > behind > you! Oh, BTW 130dB is the average pain threshold for the human ear! JB> You are so right ... I've measured one of my systems during a show JB> (Rock) at 119db and I thought it was damned loud in fact outright JB> unpleasant... I don't know what's that thing about more and more... I usually carry 20db earplugs with me when I travel around live and studio setup, I can't count the number of times that I thanked myself for bringing them along. Don't get me wrong here... I do not mean we should keep things below 100db, but let's give our ears a break and most importantly let's be responsable with other people's ears! BTW, did you see my message about moderating this echo. I know you are one of the guys who's been here a long time, and I was wondering if you would remember who is our moderator? This echo listing is up for grabs as it hasn't been renewed in the last three months; if we can't find him, someone WILL have to do something before this all goes to waste. Eric,... JB> -!- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard JB> ! Origin: The Music Connection..the original since 1987 (1:106/1000) ... A feature is a bug with seniority. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- PCBoard (R) v15.21/M 10 * Origin: XON/XOFF Information Service (1:12/159) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D41H2792 Date: 04/01/96 From: MICHAEL SUHM Time: 01:46pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: RANE EQUIPMENT Hello, I'm wondering if anyone out there might have a current address and/or telephone number for Rane. I have a possible customer with a Rane SM-26 splitter/mixer, and I need to know if it has remote control capabilities. (I can't look at the back of the unit without dismantling the sound system, and am not able to do that yet.) - Thanks for any help, - Mike --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D41H2793 Date: 03/31/96 From: TERRY SMITH Time: 02:40pm \/To: JASON LAVOIE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Car Audio? TS> Consumer toys, no matter how esoteric, are not Pro TS> unless the consumers cho TS> to buy toys intended and primarily marketed for TS> actual pro use. In busines TS> both considerations not present in ESOTERIC TS> consumer markets, which is the JL> well, it seems there is a need for you to define for JL> us what you believe -pro- is? "Pro" means for professional use, as in business use of audio, such as PA, SR, commercial recording, broadcast, theater, etc. MI is the most common class of semi-pro. High end consumers (a term defined in law Federally and in many states) may use some pro gear, but inherently do not have pro- applications. Pro's have to put reliability and economic feasibility into their considerations as high priorities. Esoteric consumers may buy $40 a foot speaker wire because it looks pretty and they get an orgasmic rush with the con job from a sleazy salesman, whereas pro's generally consider functional details instead. The Record Plant's mobile recording studios are pro audio on wheels. A remote broadcast RV or truck used in radio promotions is pro audio. A consumer's car never is, even if a few of them use a few pro components in a high end install. There is ONE and only one reverse technology flow I can think of. The design concept of Stewart amps I'd bet borrows from avionics and car concepts. Krell or Mark Levinson/Madrigal are not pro either, but esoteric. Conglomerates like Harman International, AKG, Stanton, Matsushita, and Mark IV have numerous divisions including distinctly pro- and consumer oriented ones, plus some with a bit of overlap. Study their marketing and you'll refine the concept of distinguishing pro- on the hardware end of the spectrum. BTW, you have to be serious enough about the industry to both attend conventions and be a dealer for at least a couple product lines to obtain the knowledge I just suggested. If you can simply name two dozen trade names and subsidiaries of the above parents, accurately described, it's a start though. Terry --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Do it near resonance! (203)732-0575 BPCN in CT (1:141/1275) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D4200000 Date: 04/01/96 From: TIMOTHY TRACE Time: 01:11am \/To: LASZLO SOKOLAI (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Car Audio? ->Crown Macro Tech 10000 can do 5000 watts x 2 into 2/3 ohm. Laszlo: NOT. The MT10k is a single-channel amplifier, not a stereo model. It _can_ produce in excess of 10k watts into a .1ohm load with a damping factor of over 1000 at 100hz. It's great for heating small apartments with. Regards, Tim == --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: NeverLand V.34+, 5+ gig, 2 nodes, OS/2 - 24/7/365 (1:100/440.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D4200001 Date: 03/31/96 From: DONALD QUARLES Time: 07:18am \/To: RODNEY GREEN (Read 2 times) Subj: sound system Hello Rodney! In a message to Donald Quarles <03/29/96> Rodney Green wrote: -=>> Quoting DONALD QUARLES to ALL <=- DQ>> Hello All! DQ>> I have a mackie mixing board 16 channel being run in stereo and DQ>> also a stereo graphic E.Q. and a processer and Bose in the DQ>> ceiling speakers and a 1000 watt per channel power amp and also DQ>> for the motiores i use a pevey head 300 watts per channel. what DQ>> the problem is when i turn the thing up i get a low freg. hum and DQ>> can not fiqure it out when no one is using the system is hum DQ>> likes a boat motor off in a distance.. RG> Hi Don! I read in one of your postings that this system is RG> used in your church. Cool! My church just moved into our new RG> building. God has blessed us with pro audio people there. We RG> were going to get a Mackie 8-buss console but instead got a RG> Soundmaster P7 32 channel mixer. It's great! We have a total RG> of 58 lines between the stage and mixing position. It was RG> all designed to be CLEAN, no cables all over the place. The RG> snakes run through the base- ment. We have about 7 patchbays RG> for easy access to channels and for multi- track recording RG> (we haven't gotten into recording yet). We use Focus Field RG> speakers for the mains, OAP 18" woofers for the low end. RG> Right now we are using ashly amps for the mains and RG> monitors. At the monitor mix position we have another RG> Studiomaster console, can't remember the model. The system RG> is GREAT!! It sounds wonderful. I'm one of the sound RG> engineers there. I can't wait till we get into recording. RG> Well, just thought I'd write and tell you about the system. RG> Be encouraged brother. Our God is a BIG God! We went from RG> meeting in a very small room to a 500 seat sanctuary, it's RG> just the beginning! I hope to hear from you soon. RG> Rod THANKS FOR THE REPLY!! I know that your system sounds great I just got to work on ours a little and do some turning of the screws.. but let me know how the recording goes. That is an area that I want to get into. Donald Quarles A.K.A BAD ... You tell 'em Simon, I'll Legree. --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.2f * Origin: From ThE Land oF ConFuSioN * (810) 949-2122 * Bad To The Bon (1:120/653) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D4200002 Date: 03/31/96 From: DONALD QUARLES Time: 07:20am \/To: JOE BEELS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Makie Hello Joe! In a message to Donald Quarles <03/30/96> Joe Beels wrote: JB> *** Quoting Donald Quarles to Joe Beels dated 03-28-96 *** >> well thank you very much took your advice and after everything is >> unpluged it is still doing it. I think maybe something to do in >> the moniters. >> >> Donald Quarles A.K.A BAD JB> You may be right ... I've had several peavey amps that I JB> used for monitors and yeah they all seemed to hum a little JB> when I used them that way .. make sure that the monitor send JB> out of the console is low z and that you are using the JB> appropriate cable from the monitor amp input to the snake JB> (tip, ring, sleeve) using a single conductor and sheild JB> won't cut it ... for the montiors I am using reg. cable wire that you would hook up cable T.V. and it seems to work better. but the peaveys are just nutroius for that low amp hum..and it really does not help we have peavey montior speakers.; Donald Quarles A.K.A BAD ... It is a sin peculiar to people to hate their victims. --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.2f * Origin: From ThE Land oF ConFuSioN * (810) 949-2122 * Bad To The Bon (1:120/653) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D4200003 Date: 04/01/96 From: JOE BEELS Time: 07:14pm \/To: ERIC FERRON (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Car Audio? *** Quoting Eric Ferron to Joe Beels dated 03-30-96 *** > BTW, did you see my message about moderating this echo. I know you are > one of the guys who's been here a long time, and I was wondering if you > would remember who is our moderator? This echo listing is up for grabs > as it hasn't been renewed in the last three months; if we can't find > him, someone WILL have to do something before this all goes to waste. > I hear ya ... I'm a fido mail distributor so I can keep a watch on it .. I'd like to see the existing moderator do the elist but perhaps we can do an informal concenus for a new one if he doesn't show in time ,, --- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: The Music Connection..the original since 1987 (1:106/1000)