--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D1500003 Date: 01/04/96 From: DUSTE BARKER Time: 06:15am \/To: EDDIE MAUPIN (Read 4 times) Subj: IGM's and Knights -> Well, here's a marketing tip:(Seth used this) Let the game get -> popular, then as it starts to fade away, put out the IGM's. This is -> how LORD is still the most popular game in the country. BTW, do you -> have a name yet? Also, could my BBS be a BETA sight? -> Eddie sorry for the LATE reply. Sound like a plan. And, I may let you be beta as soon as I get this one Major bug worked out of it. After i get that bug out, i am ready for my alphabeta. What is the Name and Number of your board? I will call it and check it out. Oh yeah, i do have a name. It is 'Knights, the Fantasy Begins'. (it will be number 1 of a 3 part series, easily done after i get this one finished) Duste Barker Locke Delta Crew Programs --- QScan/PCB v1.18b / 01-0186 * Origin: (1:2285/50) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D1A00000 Date: 01/03/96 From: OLIVER STEIN Time: 10:50am \/To: ED CLAY (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Midi Seq. Test Results Hi Ed, > If anyone is interested enough in this info to leave me a > message requesting it, the article containing the test results will Yes, please! Oliver --- CrossPoint v3.02 * Origin: Member of MIDILink Musician's Network (2:2426/2040.55) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D1B00000 Date: 01/06/96 From: ROBERT BARON Time: 12:06pm \/To: MURRAY NELSON (Read 4 times) Subj: RE: MIC SPLITERS -=> Repeating MURRAY NELSON's message to TERRY SMITH <=- MN> The best splitter MN> to use is commercially available (or you can build one) using Jensen MN> transformers for (passive) which are by far the most superior. What are the Jensen Transformers? Are they a 1:1 isolation that can be hooked in parallel to an existing mic line? Where would I get such a transformer and what would the cost be? Rob --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Vermilion Lighthouse, Vermilion, Alberta (1:3413/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D1B00001 Date: 01/06/96 From: ROBERT BARON Time: 12:33pm \/To: CHRIS HORN (Read 4 times) Subj: RE: Mic Splitters -=> Repeating Chris Horn's message to Terry Smith <=- TS> The best way is to loop a line feed out of the preamps of one mixer TS> into the second mixer, using the preamps of the better board if TS> there's a difference. CH> But chances are good to get a well built ground loop then - and CH> Robert spoke of a safe thing... I did, I want to be well prepared before the gig and can't risk something going wrong, like the big buzz! TS> There are passive and active split boxes available too, largely used TS> for monitor mixes. CH> ...as well as for recording-splits. CH> That's the way 99% of us pros do. No need to change that! This is what I wanted to know more about when I asked the question. I know about getting a feed from the main board but I wanted to try something different this time to allow me complete control. ie tapping into the mic. I was wondering if I could modify a snake to split the mic feed, and how this could be done. Thanks for any information. Rob --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Vermilion Lighthouse, Vermilion, Alberta (1:3413/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D1B00002 Date: 01/06/96 From: ROBERT BARON Time: 12:43pm \/To: DAVE HALLIDAY (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Mic Spliters -=> Repeating DAVE HALLIDAY's message to ROBERT BARON <=- DH> Most PA boards should have a line-level out for each channel - this is The band is working in a small venue and primarily acoustic. The PA they're renting is likely a low end powered mixer. I just want to use the mics (Which I'll probably supply) and avoid their PA altogether. DH> The thing to do is to contact the sound person first and see what kind DH> of board they plan to use and let them know what you want to do. DH> Usually they are more than willing to help. I've worked with this group before and as much as I'd rather just concentrate on the recording, they are likely to expect me to work double duty. Thank you for all your help:) Rob --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Vermilion Lighthouse, Vermilion, Alberta (1:3413/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D1B00003 Date: 01/06/96 From: ROBERT BARON Time: 12:52pm \/To: ALL (Read 4 times) Subj: Back up to DAT? Does anyone know much about the Card D Digital Only Card with S/PDIF format digital transfer. Could this be used to back-up a hard drive on to my DAT? Rob --- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Vermilion Lighthouse, Vermilion, Alberta (1:3413/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D1C00000 Date: 01/05/96 From: OLIVER STEIN Time: 12:05pm \/To: BOB BLOUNT (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Backup via DAT? Hi Bob, > However, is it possible to use these ports to back up my hard drive? not direct. You always need some kind of interface. One could be the Triple-Dat system, a hard-disc-recording system which serves as a Backup- Tool too. Software for Dos is included. I don't know if this system is distributed in US. Oliver --- CrossPoint v3.02 * Origin: Member of MIDILink Musician's Network (2:2426/2040.55) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D1E00000 Date: 01/07/96 From: LASZLO SOKOLAI Time: 11:13pm \/To: ROBERT BARON (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Mic Spliters * In a message originally to Terry Smith, Robert Baron said: RB > -=> Repeating Terry Smith's message to Robert Baron <=- RB > RB> I want to record a jazz session live and share some RB > TS> The best way is to loop a line feed out of the preamps of one mixer RB > TS> into the second mixer, using the preamps of the better board if RB > This is what I would normally do, this PA board doesn't RB > have direct outs or inserts on each channel nor does mine. RB > I've wanted a new mixer for a long time for situations like RB > this. RB > Thanks! RB > Rob Interesting. I am not using a major mixer yet, but i will be buying a 24 channel large board made by crest audio, or any other company that makes mixers that can last on road shows. I am currently using 6 amplifiers for my road shows with 12 on reserve for bi and tri-amping the speakers. I noticed that the sound quality from the mixer degrades when using unbalanced (20kohm per amplifier running my 18 amps and 36 cabinets), and the sound gets more better running balanced (30kohms per amplifier running my 18 amps and 36 cabinets). I guess it is the load bearing on the mixer. Laszlo Sokolai Team ANTI-Windows95/PRO-OS2/PRO-Unix lsokolai@bbs42.com --- BBS 42 * Origin: BBS 42 Node 3 7.5 gigs (1:221/605) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D1E00001 Date: 01/07/96 From: LASZLO SOKOLAI Time: 11:30pm \/To: TERRY SMITH (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: big, big, big sound! * In a message originally to Drew Hohmann, Terry Smith said: TS > -> continuous output power. Burst energy was measured MUCH higher, at > TS > 12,000 watts total output power. In bridged mode, this amp TS > is pure -> lethal because it supplies 100 amperes with a 50 TS > percent reduction in -> damping factor at 167 volts. I can TS > ARC weld with this amp in bridged -> mode without clipping TS > and a bit of heat off the heatsinks in the amp. TS > DH> WOW!!! Now that is one he|| of an amp!!! 4,000 watts is an awful TS > lot. TS > DH> What the heck do you have this hooked up to? 4 18"s? TS > Those are all sort of "Oh, wow" numbers, just as Sears and TS > Caldor sell 4 HP vacuum cleaners (none of which consume TS > enough power to run a 1 HP motor). No load speed/voltage TS > times just short of self destruct torque/current, and you TS > have an instantaneous peak extreme. TS > As solid state audio amps, Crown's 10,000 watt models are TS > the largest of which I know in commercial production. TS > Those use 3 phase power, and have a rated output Z of 0.67 TS > ohm. In an extreme case, you might use 12 of them (120 KW TS > total) as quad symmetrical pairs on the X, Y, & Z axis of TS > an industrial shaker table designed to reveal vibration TS > problems in a car or piece of mil hardware. In theory you TS > could use them to drive 8 @ 8 ohm 1200 W woofers, but it's TS > better to use 4 smaller amps with more flexible power needs TS > and better damping factor. Well, how well does the crown 10kw amp old up it's damping factor at 2 ohms?. Alot of people i know run their amps at either 2 ohms or 2.67 ohms continuously without any problems, especially indoors. These days i RARELY see amps double their output power as the impedance is halved. My largest amplifier puts out a measured 2,000 watts per channel into 2 ohms per channel on a run time limited basis of only 6 hours before the amp's thermal lights come on. But it does not double from it's 800w into 8 ohms to 1325 watts into 4 ohms then to 2,000 watts into 2 ohms per channel. Bridged mode is just plain lethal. And this amp does not even use 3 phase power at all, only 2 20 ampere 117 volt twist lock plugs. TS > The larger Stewart amp is about the biggest for which I see TS > a practical need in pro audio. At 17 lbs. and 2 rack TS > units, one can power two double 18 bins and 4 double 15 TS > plus mid & high wedges with a single rack two men moving TS > the bins would find easy to lift. (5 amps, 2 on 18's, 2 on TS > 15's, one in stereo mode for mids and highs, under 150 lb. TS > rack with crossover and AC distribution) That allows a TS > choice of using a temporary 60 or better amp 240 single TS > phase drop, or scarfing up 4 120 circuits per rack, for an TS > 18,000 watt four way system. 17 pound amplifier running bassbins?, Does it have an external transformer or does it run directly off the 120AC without a toroid? TS > Of course such amps have some peak headroom too, but that's TS > not what sustains solid audio outside someone's bedroom. TS > Besides, with a 10,000 W amp, 2 AWG welding cable would be TS > inadequate for speaker wire. Depends on current gain. I use cabling of no more than 20 feet from the speaker of 8 AWG cable for the 100 sustained amperes per channel my largest amp can do without going into protect if a short circuit would happen (i've tried it, it melted the cable and dimmed the lights in the whole 240/120 volt distribution box). TS > Now for a really big audio amp, look at the modulator TS > section of a high level modulated shortwave transmitter TS > sometime. Those can exceed 500,000 KW audio output for a 1 TS > MW TX. (Let's just hook these 300 8 ohm speakers in TS > series....) RF has no room in pro audio, unless you were talking about RF amps. Laszlo Sokolai Team ANTI-Windows95/PRO-OS2/PRO-Unix lsokolai@bbs42.com --- BBS 42 * Origin: BBS 42 Node 3 7.5 gigs (1:221/605) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 200 PRO AUDIO Ref: D1E00002 Date: 01/08/96 From: LASZLO SOKOLAI Time: 10:58pm \/To: JASON LAVOIE (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: big, big, big sound! * In a message originally to Denis Paquin, Jason Lavoie said: JL > DP> Hello Laszlo, I'm a pro sound installer. Just a observation from JL > reading yo JL > DP> message. As for the lamps dimming on your mixer when you push it. It JL > would JL > DP> sound like your overoading your power line in some way. Keep in mind JL > if you JL > DP> power feed from the fuse/breaker panel in long or a little small in JL > gauge JL > DP> you'll get a dip in AC voltage. Hence your lamps dimming from a JL > signifacant JL > DP> voltage dip. A lot of high powered amps draw close to 15amps alone. JL > Just JL > DP> because your not popping the breaker doesn't mean everthing is fine. JL > Check JL > DP> little deeper. JL > I have this very same problem with my Gemini mixer, and the JL > light dims whether JL > I am running any amps or not.. it seems that the power JL > supply inside the mixer JL > is insufficient and is at fault. the light is one the same JL > voltage rails as JL > the VU meters, and those rails dip when the VUs get high. JL > this may be a different problem though. Must be a low impedance value headphones attached, or a speaker attached to the mixer without an amp. Or something is really wrong. Laszlo Sokolai Team ANTI-Windows95/PRO-OS2/PRO-Unix lsokolai@bbs42.com --- BBS 42 * Origin: BBS 42 (1:221/605)