--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00937 Date: 04/30/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 04:24pm \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeering -> This brings to mind something I saw up in that area (don't know what -> but I'd guess it was in New Jersey, Delaware, or Maryland) about 30 y -> ago: On the approach to a tunnel, there were signs saying that vehic -> with, or pulling trailers with, gas bottles were not to use the tunne -> were instead to use an open-air route. The driver of the car I was i -> failed to acknowledge these signs, and we were pulled over and reques -> take that other route. Might some tunnels have less than optimum att MR> I've heard that some bottles of compressed gas can and will MR> explode under the low pressures of going under the water, MR> i've also heard it wont. But i dont take channses and just MR> leave my bottles, at home, this goes for Propane, Nitrise MR> Oxide, and compressed oxygen for scuba tanks. They won't. One of the highest pressure tanks are scuba tanks (which are filled with compressed air not compressed oxygen). Aluminum tanks are filled to a working pressure of 3000 psi but they are tested and must pass a 5000 psi test. IOW, the tanks are only filled to 3/5's or 60% of their tested pressure. The last time I check any other type of tank, a helium tank, it was filled to 2000 psi. I'm not sure what the test is but they have to be tested (and have the date of the test stamped into the tank). A lot of companies do refuse to fly tanks but some do. Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00938 Date: 04/30/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 04:35pm \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Traffic accident... -> The best rule I've ever seen is 2 seconds between his back bumper -> yours. Actually, soneone who is paying attention, in good shape, kno -> hardware can do with a little less than 1 second if his brakes and ti -> in better shape than those of the guy ahead of him - but two seconds MR> Yes but how many people do you know that have kept their MR> brakes and tires up to code? I took/take auto sercive and I know one, me. I usually keep my stuff above code because the standards are much to low on tires. MR> detailing in a Vo tech school for 3 class credits instead of MR> going to normal school, and i've seen people with plenty of MR> money, and sence like the princeable come in with tires with MR> no tread and the belt being visable, as well as brakes that MR> were metal to metal because the pads wore off 3000 miles I've seen the same thing, tire wise, just walking down the Wal Mart parking lot. I've talked to people and when the found out I do most of my own mechanic work they would ask me why their brakes were making a noise when ever the used them. When I asked how long it had been since they had changed pads/shoes then looked me like I had two heads. You want horror stories you should talk to my brother- in-law who is an inspector. In Missouri you have to have your car inspected by a certified inspector before you can get your tags. Part of the inspection is pulling one tire and wheel and checking the brake pads/shoes and rotors/drums. He has told stories I have a hard time believing. Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00939 Date: 04/30/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 04:43pm \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Legality of Commandee MR> there is nothing illegal on this car, other then when i have MR> slicks on the rear, and i remove them before using it on the Are you sure? Some states restrict the horsepower allowed on the street. I'm not sure how they test it but there is a way. Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00940 Date: 04/30/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 04:53pm \/To: BLAKE BOWERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeering MR> It dosnt take much once a fire starts near a fuel line it can easly MR> spead to the tank and blow it up. As for propane, around here last BB> Here you go again. Let's deal with facts, not conjecture. BB> Stop by your local Fire Department, and get the facts. BB> Ask them how many accidents they have gone on, that involve BB> a gas tank in a car, that have actually blown up. BB> You, and the rest of the public that watches TV, would BB> be amazed. It hardly ever happens. According to a FF friend of mine the most dangerous thing is the shock absorbing bumpers. When the shocks get hot then pop like corks shooting the bumper at knee height. He told me to never approach a burning car from any way but the sides. Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00941 Date: 04/30/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 04:55pm \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 0 times) Subj: Gang Turf GD>If the gang members are loitering on a street corner and selling GD>drugs out in the open, then call the police. The police can take GD>all the information over the phone, and they won't do anything to GD>you. SK> I don't believe in drug laws. Then you should have no problems with gang members. After all they don't believe in drug laws or mugging laws or rape laws or murder laws. You should also not have any problems with the KKK ignoring the civil rights laws or even Ted Kazcinski after all he didn't believe in several laws. After all if you are free to just ignore the laws you don't like then shouldn't everyone else? SK> I worry about the police...not the drug dealers. I worry about both but the dealers have a major tendency of shooting everyone in sight when the spam hits the fan. The cops tend to at least aim. SK> The drug laws have taken more of peoples money, more of SK> peoples property, more of peoples freedom, and MORE LIVES SK> than drugs. Then change them. SK> Drug laws are the problem. Really? Have you ever read the history when opium was not regulated? An entire war was caused by opium and its use. Have you ever known someone who was a true addict? Someone who couldn't work because he was either high, needing to get high or suffering the effects of coming down? The drug could be a narcotic or alcohol. Have you ever seen what happens when a drunk/high person hits the back of a car or heaven forbid a bus? Personally I have no problem with someone doing almost anything themselves in their own home but the use of drugs NEVER says in the home. SK> Laws that take freedom are the problem. Agreed to a point. SK> If there isn't a victim there isn't a crime. Not true. The government has a responsibility to protect society as a whole. In some crimes the society is the victim. An example would be speeding. If you don't have a wreck that injures someone else then there is no victim in your way of thinking. SK> Ollie North and Reagan used the drug laws to sell crack to SK> the black communities and transfer funds to the Yeah right. Even the people who started this story admitted that they had nothing to back it up but a few rumors from "unreliable" sources and that it was probably not true. Although there is quite a bit of evidence that the CIA did help export drugs from SWA during the 60s. SK> Contra's...just as Ollie sold weapon's that killed our OWN SK> people on our OWN naval vessels. Drugs are the money line And Confederate soldiers killed Yankees with Yankee weapons and Americas were killed with American weapons during WWI and WWII and Korea and. . . But the reverse is true also. Such are the fortunes of war (and military service). SK> of the government to support illegal actions around the Except for the CIA reference above there has never been even the smallest amount of evidence showing the US government has used drug money to support overt, covert or even black (that's black as in dark not black as in a race) ops. SK> biggest drug dealers! But, NO...bust the penny-anty street SK> punks. Bull-Crap! The "penny-anty street punks" are good targets for several reasons; they are the most visible, they are the easiest to catch, they are the most violent and they can lead to bigger fish. SK> The Chief gets bought off by the biggest dealer's and the I have never heard about it being hinted, with some good sources, of any chief in a major or semi major city being influenced by drug money. SK> street cops bust the dealers that don't pay their SK> protection money. Sure this happens some times but nowhere near as much today as yesteryear. It wasn't THAT long ago that people had to pay the 'mob' and the cops to do business. It doesn't happen much and when it does it is easy to catch. Unless you really, REALLY know what you are doing hiding money is tough! One thing you have to think about is the fact that once the cop takes money he is on just as big of a hook as the crook. One call to the state police, FBI or even a local TV station would be all it would take for him to wind up in the same jail he was sending all of the none payers to. Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00942 Date: 05/01/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 12:11am \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeering CH>SK>I have addressed my beliefs on the subject of commandeering to a CH> >point of redundancy. I'll explain it to you...I think that the CH> >surrendering of basic rights (in this case the right to own and CH> >keep personal property, and not surrendering it without due CH> >process) is paramount. Of course silly hypotheticals can be CH> >developed to make the case that my rights should be violated, but CH> >I won't submit or agree to such violations. The maintaining of CH> >basic rights is more important than hypotheticals. I'm CH>The constitution (the source of your rights) does NOT guarantee that CH>your property will not be seized or commandeered. It ONLY guarantees CH>that your property will NOT be taken without just compensation. SK> Please post that part in it's entirety. I'd sure like to see SK> it...considering it doesn't exist. Here you go: AMENDMENT V (1791) No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due to be taken for public use, without just compensation. He is correct the Constitution says nothing about you having the right to not have the government take your property. I checked twice. Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00943 Date: 05/01/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 12:16am \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Emergency Vehicle Operati MR> What i mean is, i've seen officers at a red light, turn on MR> their lights go through the light, then turn off their MR> lights and procded at the speed limit with no other reason MR> of running the light other then they didnt want to wait. Some calls are not "urgent" but the cop needs to get to this call to get it out of the way in case a urgent call comes in. I'll give you a possible example. I used to manage the graveyard shift at a fast food restaurant in a collage town. On Friday and Saturday nights right after last call at the bars a large crowd of drunk collage students would come in. Most nights they were just a little loud and rowdie and no problem. Other nights there was a couple who were more then a little loud and rowdie, most of the times this happened I'd call the police and ask if they could send an officer to just 'show the flag'. Usually a cop would come in use the bathroom and get a cup of coffee which required him to walk the entire length of the restaurant. After that the crowd was much less unruly. If the LEO was at a red light on his way over the few minutes he spent there could be the difference between just having to do a 'walk through' or having to arrest someone. And yes it sort of happened once, about two minutes before the cop showed up two of the rowdies decided they wanted to toss the other through one of our plate glass windows. Now would the fight still have happened if the cop had arrived two minutes earlier? We'll never know but I'd be willing to bet not. Just because he was two minutes late two fairly young men wound arrested and charged with several crimes. BTW, it was store policy that once the police were called charges would be filed and court action taken. Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00944 Date: 05/01/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 12:36am \/To: RD THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Gang Turf RW> TR> Our country already has considerable experience and RW> TR> background on mob rule and vigilantes. The results were RW> TR> pretty sad, and most would hate to return to those times. RW> TR> However, I understand the thought. RW> RW> So you think that the average adult citizen is RW> incompetent to the point of being allowed to carry RW> weapons? RT> That is not what he said, Rich. We have enough to fight RT> when we take on the ones who truly want to ban our guns. RT> Don't add to it by fighting shadows. You will find that, by It sure looks like he did, he just didn't use those words. He clearly implied that if we allow citizens to be armed we would be back to the times of "mob rule and vigilantes". That is just a backdoor way of saying that the citizens are to stupid or incompetent to be allowed to carry firearms. RT> far, the majority of LEOs in this echo are pro-gun for RT> civilians. I know but notice you said "the majority" not all. RW> BTW, tell me if you agree with the following statement RW> and who said it and when: RW> RW> "This year will go down in history. For the RW> first time, a civilized nation has full gun RW> registration. Our streets will be safer, our RW> police more efficient, and the world will RW> follow our lead into the future!" RT> I would sure like to see documentation on this quote from RT> some source other than the Shotgun News. Was is it ever RT> printed in a paper? I do know that one paper that it was RT> claimed to be in, did not exist in 1935. Check the JPFO web site if you have I-net access. I currently don't so I can't get it. But even is the quote doesn't stand (like a lot of famous sayings) the facts do. Hitler instituted universal firearms registration and then used these records to remove the guns from the citizens. Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00945 Date: 05/01/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 12:49am \/To: TOM RIGHTMER (Read 0 times) Subj: Getting Aids MR> How are you suppose to stop the bleeding with out pputting pressure on MR> it to stop it? I'm sure everyone carrys a pair of gloves around in the MR> car like you do. TR> Your point is well-taken, most folks don't carry surgical TR> gloves around with them. You can use a bare hand to compress TR> work fine to protect you. If you have open wounds on your TR> hands, I would certainly recommend some sort of protection. TR> This is first assuming that the person has aids, and the TR> chances are that they don't. I'm not saying that you should TR> assume they don't have aids, but in reality, only a small TR> percentage of the population has aids. Regardless, common TR> sense protective measures of some sort should be used when TR> you try to render aid, especially if the injured person is TR> bleeding badly. First off we still don't know how hard or easy it is for AIDS to be transmitted. Two people exposed with the same basic facts and one will be infected and the other will not. And the debate is still raging about the possibility of transmitting AIDS via saliva or vomit. Also there are a lot more blood born diseases out there than HIV/AIDS. All of which are MUCH easier to catch and some just about as deadly. Then there is the fact that there are several more nasty diseases out there that are not blood born but easy to spread and will kill you. I know at least one EMT/ER nurse that carries her "kit" with her at all times. In this kit there is just about everything but a MOPP suit. This is because she is required by law to render assistants and doesn't want to be caught bare handed (sorry I couldn't resist). Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00946 Date: 05/01/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 12:59am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: OC Spray I need some advice about OC sprays. First off can anyone tell me if there is a good spray sold in the US that is labeled as dog/animal repellent? I have a couple of friends who work for a company which forbids them to carry "weapons" and they some times have to travel to the great white north where OC is illegal as a self defence spray but if it is not a weapon but an animal repellant it treated different. Also I have never had to use OC against anything but a rather angry beagle (yes the little dog) so I'd like to know where you stand on the great fog vs stream delivery system debate. Each has its pros and cons some I'll list below so you can commit. STREAM PRO: it is less likely that some of the spray will be blown back in your face. STREAM CON: you have to aim carefully to hit the face and the stream can be blocked, somewhat, by covering the eyes with the arm. FOG PRO you don't have to aim as careful the 'cone' of fog will almost insure some of it being inhaled or reaching the eyes FOG CON there is a greater chance of getting some of the spray yourself Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1)