--------------- Path: spln!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet . com!newsfeed.wli.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsxfer.visi.net!news.infi.ne t !elaine From: egs@philly.infi.net (egs) Newsgroups: alt.prisons Subject: Stealing Drugs by NJ Police Detective Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:12:38 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6i4o3v$6ln$1@nw003t.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa3dsp19.phl.infi.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: spln alt.prisons:26924 Philadelphia Inquirer 4/26/98 Atlantic City detective gets probation for cocaine theft Joseph D. Russell, 39, a veteran Atlantic City police detective who was caught stealing cocaine from an evidence drawer, was spared a prison term yesterday. Russell, of Hamilton Township, was sentenced to three years' probation for his conviction for official misconduct. He also was ordered to submit urine samples, get substance-abuse counseling, and forfeit his pension. "To incarcerate him would place his life and limb in jeopardy," said Superior Court Judge Albert Garofolo. Police Chief James DiNoto notified prosecutors of alleged wrongdoing by the 17-year veteran last November. A week later, DiNoto was caught taking cocaine that had been packaged and marked as evidence from a desk in the vice unit office, prosecutors said. Under a plea agreement, Russell agreed to forfeit his job and is barred from ever holding public employment again. Question: Why would incarcerating this police detective place his life and limb in jeopardy more than other CO's or police officers who are sent to prison for wrong-doing? Question: Was this detective treated "special" b/c of his status? Should he have received prison time given the current climate of criminalizing drug abusers? Did he not just steal drugs but infact, commit robbery? Where the charges procedurally correct [given the standard definition of robbery]? egs ******************************************* "Building more prisons to address crime is like building more graveyards to address a fatal disease." -Robert Gangi, Executive Director, Correctional Association of New York ******************************************* ICQ EIN: 4340735 E-Mail: egs@philly.infi.net . -!- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 ! Origin: The Cats Lair BBS Since 1989 (614)475-4997 (1:226/580) ------------------- e n d f o r w a r d e d m e s s a g e ---------------- --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: #thepublicistoblame#.subversivetelecom.OHiO (1:226/580.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00890 Date: 04/28/98 From: DAVE SMITH Time: 10:35pm \/To: RYAN BAGUEROS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Young Blacks -=> Quoting Ryan Bagueros to Dave Smith <=- DS> And if you look even further, you will note that Blacks are DS> disproportionatly victimized by crime, often committed by people DS> within their own ethnic community. That doesn't have much to do with RB> So... what does this have to do with anything? I really don't see how RB> this has any relevance to the issue ... For some reason, I am not surprised that the relevance might elude you. It has everything to do with why there are so many blacks who are arrested and convicted. It happens because those guys who are arrested and convicted committed crimes. You don't seem to be suggesting that they are being harassed for only those crimes committed against whites or members of other racial groups. The fact of the matter is that those same blacks that your heart is bleeding for victimized their fellow blacks, and people within the black community deserve police protection as much as everyone else in society. ... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: The Hunting Field - Welland, Ont. (905)735-9081 (1:247/600.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00891 Date: 05/01/98 From: RICH GRIEBEL Time: 05:18am \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeering -> MSGID: 1:271/370.0 8C4902A0 -> TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-2082 -> -> Are there any statistics on accidents involving propane powered -> -> vehicles? -> - -> I dont belive there are enough propane powered vehicles to even equal -> .001% infact the only things i know that use propane to propelle their -> engines is little fork lifts and such things used for transportation -> say around a golf course or lumber yard. There are a large number of LPG and CNG powered vehicles in commercial fleets. Add to that, this time of year, recreational vehicles with LPG tanks for stoves, heaters, etc. Last year I handled two LPG vehicle accidents, a 7,600 gallon over turned LPG truck and trailer, and a two axle LPG truck. If the general public had any idea of the types of hazardous materials, not just LPG or Gasoline being transported over the road right next to them, they'd "freak" (quoting my teenage son). --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Kendra Communications, Everett WA (1:343/304) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00892 Date: 05/01/98 From: RICH GRIEBEL Time: 05:21am \/To: BARBARA MCNAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeering -> MSGID: 1:395/48@fidonet 3c067939 -> REPLY: 1:271/370.0 8C4716C1 -> PID: FM+ 2.12.SW F2Eo3Uq6FP -> >-> This brings to mind something I saw up in that area (don't know -> what >-> but I'd guess it was in New Jersey, Delaware, or Maryland) -> about 30 y -> >-> ago: On the approach to a tunnel, there were signs saying that -> vehic >-> with, or pulling trailers with, gas bottles were not to -> use the tunne >-> were instead to use an open-air route. The driver -> of the car I was i >-> failed to acknowledge these signs, and we -> were pulled over and reques >-> take that other route. Might some -> tunnels have less than optimum att > - > I've heard that some -> bottles of compressed gas can and > will explode > under the low -> pressures of going under the water, i've > also heard it > wont. -> But i dont take channses and just leave my > bottles, at home, this -> > goes for Propane, Nitrise Oxide, and compressed oxygen > for scuba -> tanks. -> I don't even remember whether this tunnel was underwater, but in any -> case, there are lots of folks who use oxygen for medical reasons. Barb, I wouldn't worry about it, compressed gas cylinders don't explode under water. If so divers would be dying left and right, and submarines would be exploding all over the world. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Kendra Communications, Everett WA (1:343/304) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00893 Date: 05/01/98 From: CAROL SHENKENBERGER Time: 11:05am \/To: RON TAYLOR (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Smoking laws 1/2 *** Quoting Ron Taylor from a message to Carol Shenkenberger *** CS>Interesting! Everyplace I have lived in the last 10 years, seems to be >different. What part of the country are you from? Cant tell from your >tagline. RT> I live in Alabama and frequently travel all the states from Florida to RT> Virginia to Louisiana. The states that I've found the worst for RT> non-smokers are the Carolinas, Virginia, and Kentucky. It seems that RT> anyone who opposes tobacco usage in any form are not welcome there. I RT> suppose thats because of the high influence of the tobacco industry in RT> that area. I have traveled through Alabama a few times, but never stayed long enough to note anything specific about it. I dont think it's the tobacco industry here, just a different view of things. The bigger cities are more enlightened. Small towns are not. I don't eat out often (just not our thing) but when I do, I'm normally in a group with several non-smokers, so we all sit in non-smoking areas. CS>Sadly, I have seen that in some places. I'm more used to California where >the law (before the smoke free came in) had most establishments have >literally separate AC systems and solid walls between the two locations. RT> That is an acceptable compromise to me. I have no problem with anyone RT> smoking as long as I don't have to participate. I think it's fine too. In CA, I was used to even outdoor activities having a 'smoking section'. Made sense to me. RT> Being so adamantly anti-smoking, I think a total ban is acceptable. RT> The only place that should be sacred is one's home. _There_, you have RT> right to do (IMO) what you will, as you see fit. My choice is to not RT> visit if I disagree. Well, we will have to agree to disagree on that one. If things are properly separated, it should be fine. CS> >populace smokes, and that 20% simply didnt dine out as often when they > >changed the laws there. Restraunts, many of them, just couldnt urvive >an > >almost 20% loss of business. CS>Seems to not ave been a 'boycott' but just a tendancy to not bother to eat >out as often. RT> That was three to four years ago. Am I to believe that now, there are RT> no good restaurants left in California? That the industry folded RT> because of the smoke-free laws? I didnt say 'no good restraunts'. I said several went under, not all by a longshot. It did hurt them all to one extent or another. Even the previously 'smoke-free' ones where hurt, because they were no longer 'special'. OH! One set was not hurt, but benefitted. In 1995 (not sure now), if you served alcohol, you were not restricted. Many restraunts started serving wine or beer as an option, so were not required to go smoke-free. Those folks did a resounding business, but there were not many of them. I found it amusing slightly to see the tiny separate 'smoking section with individual AC' become a non-smoking section. Remember Dearone, these places were few and far apart and the doors had notifications so you wouldnt go to one accidentally. I'd hazard a _guess_ they were 3% of the eating places. RT> Sadly, most who are forced to step outside stand as near the door as RT> possible, as if to intentionally force the non-smoker to walk through RT> cloud of smoke to get to the door. I've had smokers quite forcefully RT> blow smoke in my direction when I indicated a displeasure at it. They RT> take some kind of pleasure in the fact that they are now "outside" and RT> immune to the prohibitive laws inside. The would punish me for my RT> part in the laws that force them outside. These few "militant" smokers RT> are the ones who bring about the laws. Well, such folks are actually rare who will blow it at you deliberately, unless perhaps your method of showing 'displeasure' was not as politely done as intended? As to smoking near the doorway, sorry but look about. Thats normally where the establishment puts the ashtrays. Ask the establishment to move them a bit farther away, and the folks will migrate to there. Conversely there is a place I go to here in Norfolk. It has 2 entrances, about 20 feet from each other. 1 has the ashtray, the other does not. I'd expect anyone who didnt want to be near my smoke, to use the other one. Yet, I've had folks deliberately walk all the way over the the side with the ashtray, and ask me to put out my cigarette, so they could walk in that particular door without smelling it. Thats just rude. RT> We agree as long as "reasonable" means that I can participate in any RT> publicly available activity that you can and am _TOTALLY_ free of RT> cigarette smoke while doing so. RT> For example, I had to stop for gasoline this weekend. The convenience I do see that you have run into inappropriate smoking situations, but change takes time. Just trying to make it illegal to smoke anyplace outside one's home, isnt the answer however. Mutual respect is. That means on *both* sides. It includes, not putting the only outdoor ashtray, where you have to walk then complaining because folks use it. And finally, this is a minor thing to the police. Unless the smoking is by a fuel pump or something stupid like that, it's more a civil issue. xxcarol --- Telegard v3.09.b17 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00894 Date: 05/01/98 From: CAROL SHENKENBERGER Time: 11:12am \/To: RON TAYLOR (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Teenage Smoking *** Quoting Ron Taylor from a message to Rich Willbanks *** RT> The laws that I support will prohibit smoking in PUBLIC areas. I want RT> to see a smoker arrested and hauled off in handcuffs for smoking in a RT> public park. Smile, I think the police have better things to spend their time on, than worrying about someone having a smoke in an open air park. xxcarol --- Telegard v3.09.b17 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100) *** Quoting Ron Taylor from a message to John F Davis *** RT> Its the yo-yo who lights up at a football game that I want to see RT> crucified. So suggest the place designate a smoking area, standing room only (no seats), lots of ashtrays, within sight of the game. You'll be more liable to have sucess. > I too like >the places where the division between the smoking area and the >non-smoking area is defined by the front door (You may smoke in the >parking lot) RT> Make that "in your car with the windows rolled up". I have to walk RT> through the parking lot. Give it a rest. Radicalism like that, to remove the right to have a smoke in an open air area, is not going to get you anyplace. Passing laws like that is useless. We dont want to turn the USA into a martial law place, with smokers as the 'great satan' and the poor cops trying to catch smokers instead of thugs, murderers, rapists, and other more critical crimes. xxcarol --- Telegard v3.09.b17 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00895 Date: 05/01/98 From: CAROL SHENKENBERGER Time: 11:18am \/To: RON TAYLOR (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Teenage Smoking *** Quoting Ron Taylor from a message to John F Davis *** RT> Its the yo-yo who lights up at a football game that I want to see RT> crucified. So suggest the place designate a smoking area, standing room only (no seats), lots of ashtrays, within sight of the game. You'll be more liable to have sucess. > I too like >the places where the division between the smoking area and the >non-smoking area is defined by the front door (You may smoke in the >parking lot) RT> Make that "in your car with the windows rolled up". I have to walk RT> through the parking lot. Give it a rest. Radicalism like that, to remove the right to have a smoke in an open air area, is not going to get you anyplace. Passing laws like that is useless. We dont want to turn the USA into a martial law place, with smokers as the 'great satan' and the poor cops trying to catch smokers instead of thugs, murderers, rapists, and other more critical crimes. xxcarol --- Telegard v3.09.b17 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00896 Date: 05/01/98 From: CAROL SHENKENBERGER Time: 11:25am \/To: RON TAYLOR (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Smoking laws *** Quoting Ron Taylor from a message to James Offer *** >the smoking laws are the next step >towards total enslavement. RT> From my perspective, they are a giant step toward freedom. Hardly, not when you advocate smokers being taken away in handcuffs for smoking in an open air park (why dont you just step away a few feet?). Not when you want to ake it criminal to smoke in an open air parking lot unless in your car with the windows rolled up tight (why not just move the ashtrays away from the entrance?). Freedom for a segment of the population only in your estimation, but at the expense of a massive reduction of the rights of others. That's not freedom. xxcarol --- Telegard v3.09.b17 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100)