--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00791 Date: 04/29/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 03:22pm \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 0 times) Subj: Gang Turf Hi Rich, as you were just saying about Gang Turf.... RW> RW> My suggestion would be allowing every adult in the area to carry RW> RW> a concealed weapon. Let the gang know that they are in danger RW> RW> if the try to commit a crime. RW> RW> TR> Our country already has considerable experience and RW> TR> background on mob rule and vigilantes. The results were RW> TR> pretty sad, and most would hate to return to those times. RW> TR> However, I understand the thought. RW> RW> So you think that the average adult citizen is RW> incompetent to the point of being allowed to carry RW> weapons? That is not what he said, Rich. We have enough to fight when we take on the ones who truly want to ban our guns. Don't add to it by fighting shadows. You will find that, by far, the majority of LEOs in this echo are pro-gun for civilians. RW> This is the kind of thinking that has lead to RW> where we are today, where the only people armed are the RW> criminals and the cops and there are a he!! of a lot RW> more criminals than cops. That means that the LAC is RW> nothing more than fodder to feed the criminals. RW> RW> BTW, tell me if you agree with the following statement RW> and who said it and when: RW> RW> "This year will go down in history. For the RW> first time, a civilized nation has full gun RW> registration. Our streets will be safer, our RW> police more efficient, and the world will RW> follow our lead into the future!" I would sure like to see documentation on this quote from some source other than the Shotgun News. Was is it ever printed in a paper? I do know that one paper that it was claimed to be in, did not exist in 1935. RD sandman@azstarnet.com http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman A well-educated Congress being necessary for the governing of a free state, the right of the people to read and write books shall not be infringed. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00792 Date: 04/29/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 03:39pm \/To: STEVE KEMP (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeerin Hi Steve, as you were just saying about Legality of Commandeering.... SK> CH>The constitution (the source of your rights) does NOT guarantee that SK> CH>your property will not be seized or commandeered. It ONLY guarantees SK> CH>that your property will NOT be taken without just compensation. SK> SK> Please post that part in it's entirety. I'd sure like to see SK> it...considering it doesn't exist. Try the Just Compensation clause of the Fifth Amendment: ".....nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation." or the Due Process clause, Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment which passed that protection to the states. RD sandman@azstarnet.com http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman A well-educated Congress being necessary for the governing of a free state, the right of the people to read and write books shall not be infringed. ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Never, never let the truth interfere with a good story. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00793 Date: 04/29/98 From: DAVID HART Time: 09:52am \/To: BLAKE BOWERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeering > Secondly, is the cargo itself. I would rather deal with a half > full gas tank in an accident anyday, as opposed to a half full > propane tank. The potential that the propane tank has, is > scary! Are there any statistics on accidents involving propane powered vehicles? --- QMPro 1.53 He does the work of 3 Men...Moe, Larry & Curly --- Virtual Advanced Ver 2 for DOS * Origin: Thorny's BBS, Lawrence, Kansas USA, (785) 832-2011 (1:299/121) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00794 Date: 04/29/98 From: DAVID HART Time: 09:53am \/To: RYAN BAGUEROS (Read 0 times) Subj: Let's Cut the Bull > Contention: Law enforcement in the United States is institutionally orrupt, > aimed primarily against minorities, the lower classes and political > dissidents. Lie or Fabrication? > My initial "evidence": > (1) In nearly every aspect of law enforcement, minorities and the poor are > disproportionately affected. Black men are incarcerated at a rate 8 times tha > of white men, even though they are clearly a minority in the general > population. Blacks are 4 times as likely to be arrested for drugs, even thoug > whites use drugs at the same rate or higher. Seventy percent of black males > will be arrested and jailed at least once before the age of 35. Blacks are 10 > times more likely to be shot at by police than whites are. While this does no > suggest that all cops are racists, it shows that there is an institutionalize > racism that permeates the nation's police departments. [Sources: Report of > National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorder (the Kerner Commission), The > Sentencing Project (Jan 1991), National Center on Institutions and > Alternatives, James J. Fyfe (73 J. Crim. L. & Criminology), Killings by > Chicago > Police 1969-70: An Empirical Study (46 S. Cal. L. Rev. 284, 311).] While all of the above information may be true, it begs one question. All of the statistics above would lead one to believe there is indeed bias ONLY if whites are involved to the same extent as blacks. You stated whites use drugs at the same rate or higher. Most, if not all drug felonies are for selling drugs, not merely using drugs. The vaunted "needle exchange program" bears that out. So now we must ask do whites sell drugs at the same or higher rate. > (2) The FBI, with co-operation of state and local police departments, has > operated an illegal program nicknamed COINTELPRO, or Counter-Intelligence > Division, or CID. The target of this program has been primarily black ocial > activists conducting legal political dissent, but many other groups of people > have been targeted also. The scope of this program has included illegal Perhaps the news media is also biased since the only active targets of the FBI seems to be white activist groups according to the media. Waco, Ruby Ridge, Montana Militia, Texas Republic, etc. > (3) There is widespread dissatisfaction with police activities in poor, ethni > neighborhoods. While the mass media is dominated by pro-police Of that I have no doubt. Could it be related to the fact that more crime occurs in poor ethnic neighborhoods? Or perhaps "gangs" seem to thrive in that environment and are anti-police? --- QMPro 1.53 Oh Lord, give me patience...and GIVE IT TO ME NOW! --- Virtual Advanced Ver 2 for DOS * Origin: Thorny's BBS, Lawrence, Kansas USA, (785) 832-2011 (1:299/121) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00795 Date: 04/29/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 01:12pm \/To: RD THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Police Corruption RT> He should also ask himself, why, in the areas where they do have RT> civilian oversight committees, is there not that much more happening RT> corruption wise than where there isn't. Could it possibly be that RT> some police manage to police themselves.......naah, that couldn't be RT> it........could it? :^) I've worked it both ways, with and without civilian oversight committees. The biggest problem with civilian type committees is that they don't know what to look for, don't know the law, don't know the procedures and why they are in place, and otherwise are not familiar enough with police work to root out and deal with abuse or corruption. If a civilian type committee is desired, I believe the membership of that committee is the most important aspect. I would opt for a membership of retired law enforcement officers, people who understand the profession, or people like them. Ryan and many people like him might say this would just be another way to white-wash the system and otherwise cover up police corruption. The opposite would be true, as law enforcement retirees are still proud of their previous profession and have no desire for a few rotten apples to tarnish a proud and honest profession. Too many officers have given their lives to the profession for a few rotten apples to tarnish their sacrifice and the sacrifices of those future officers who will give their lives in service to the people. You are correct, most agencies do an excellent job of policing themselves. For those agencies with more than just a few rotten apples, I have friends in other agencies who have enlisted the aid of other agencies to clean out the rats' nest. Those agencies would consist of the State Attorney General's Office, The U.S. Attorney General's Office, the particular State Bureau of Investigation, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Message Continued............ Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... You have been selected for a secret mission. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00796 Date: 04/29/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 01:12pm \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Vehicle Theft MR> This MR> is a question to all the officers out there, have you ever responded MR> to, or stoped a car theif where the theif jumped in a car with a MR> manual transmission but couldnt drive it? I haven't, but maybe some of the other officers have. This would be a very humorous situation, one that would belong on America's Dumbest Criminals. Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... It is better to kiss an avocado than to kiss an aardvark. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00797 Date: 04/29/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 01:12pm \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Getting Aids -> The threat of aids and other diseases is real, but protective measure -> really common sense and require little or no training. Some are getti -> paranoid about disease that they think about wearing a full-body cond -> walk out of their house. Aids is really more difficult to catch than MR> How are you suppose to stop the bleeding with out pputting pressure on MR> it to stop it? I'm sure everyone carrys a pair of gloves around in the MR> car like you do. Your point is well-taken, most folks don't carry surgical gloves around with them. You can use a bare hand to compress a badly bleeding area with just about anything you can find and have no worry unless you have broken skin or a wound on your hand. If you wanted to compress the wound with your foot, using your shoes, that would be better than nothing. If the wounded person is conscious, you can also hand them whatever you can find and ask them to apply pressure to their own wound. The point was that aids is much harder to catch than most folks think. It's obvious that aids is a real threat and should cause concern, but there are many common sense ways to help them when they are bleeding to death. The simple use of a plastic grocery bag or any other type of plastic material between you and the wound would work fine to protect you. If you have open wounds on your hands, I would certainly recommend some sort of protection. This is first assuming that the person has aids, and the chances are that they don't. I'm not saying that you should assume they don't have aids, but in reality, only a small percentage of the population has aids. Regardless, common sense protective measures of some sort should be used when you try to render aid, especially if the injured person is bleeding badly. Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... It has been discovered: research causes cancer in rats. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00798 Date: 04/29/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 01:12pm \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Gang Weapons MR> how many street thugs do you know that are going to buy a 1600 MR> dollar rifle and 800 dollar barrel desiugned to shoot 3 inch groups MR> and 100 yards? No they're going to go down to K-mart and buy a SKS MR> assault rifle for 89 bucks (thats how much they are at the K-mart MR> by my house) And shoot someone at 15 feet. From my experience and in my opinion, most of the gang weapons are stolen, not bought at K-Mart. They are obtained in burglaries and traded on the streets for dope, etc. As a result, many guns in the hands of gang members are high dollar, quality weapons, many times better than the weapons provided to law enforcement for the protection of the public. If you take a look at the police reports in just about any jurisdiction, weapons are one of the most popular items to take in a burglary. As a result, you may have a citizen legally owning a machine gun, and it is found in the hands of a gang member. It happens all of the time. Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... California raisins murdered! Cereal killer suspected. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00799 Date: 04/29/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 01:12pm \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Speeding MR> Let me see, I'm not doing whatever i want, i'm not MR> running lights and using the excuse of my lights to do it, i'm not MR> speeding through resdental neigborhoods and expecting everyone MR> to get out of my way, i'm not abusing the car the public gave me and MR> screwing it up at everyone elses expense. You are also not responding to any kind of emergency and have no reason for your speeding other than thrill. See a previous message that explains it better and more fully. Nobody's life depends on the time of your response, and there is no officer in trouble waiting for you to get there. In short, your speeding simply causes danger for no reason at all. Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... A thief believes that everybody steals. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00800 Date: 04/29/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 01:12pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Police Corruption This is continued from a previous message. I simply wanted to point out the checks and balances of our justice system. Some complain of false arrest, etc. I don't know of any other profession that has so many checks and balances in the system. 1) First, the prosecutor looks at the case to determine if the case has merit for prosecution. If not, the case is dismissed. 2) Second, the judge has an opportunity to dismiss the case after receiving briefs and motions from attorneys. 3) Third, the person is tried by a jury, and they all have to agree for a guilty verdict. Just one of the jurors can hang the jury with disagreement. 4) Fourth, the appeal system is massive, and there are many other courts which may hear the same case. In short, the system is designed to give a tremendous list of rights to the accused, and almost nothing for the victims. There is one concept that indicates it is better to let 99 guilty people go than to convict 1 innocent person. Criminals and defense attorneys love our justice system because there are so many loopholes and tricks which can be used for the criminal to go free. The scales of justice are heavily weighted in favor of the accused, and that is not likely to change. I'm simply trying to point out the massive number of checks and balances to control the actions of law enforcement in the filing of charges. Those who would claim this to be a police state would have to ignore all of these checks and balances or indict the entire system as being corrupt, including the jury. There are some who attempt to indict the entire criminal justice system, but they have a real problem with the existence of a jury consisting of citizens. The system certainly isn't perfect, but it is still the best in the world. Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... Deja BooBoo: The feeling you've screwed this up before. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20)