--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00651 Date: 04/27/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 08:43am \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Commandeering -> Maybe you should become a law enforcement officer and see what happen -> when... never mind... you wouldn't last six hours. You have never kn -> the streets THEY know, nor could you function there. BTW, I noticed -> didn't respond to my last message (kinda reminds me of Ryan). What's -> the matter, Mark? C'mon, make my day! MR>sorry if i didnt respond to your other message, i must not have seen >it. As for my regard for human life? i've got plenty of regard for it >but not when its coming at the expense of my property. As for me >becoming a law enforcement officer? I had been considering it for a >while but decided i'd ratgher make something of my life. Was a snide remark really neccessary? The point was that as a citizen you have certain responsibilities to the society and the the people in it. In NORMAL people, wanting to help save another's life or well being is an automatic response at the expense of their own safety or property. CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * Oh darn; I forgot what I was going to say! --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00652 Date: 04/27/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 08:47am \/To: SCOTT MCQUILKIN (Read 0 times) Subj: Commandeering = CarJack SM> We've been discussing the Legality of Commandeering vehicles. This is > just legalized Car Jacking, is it not? SM> How is this difference than if I (a non sworn officer), were to come to > your department "with an emergency" and request to take your vehicle to > the hospital, or go after my girlfriend because she just stole money > from my car? SM> -The first would be an emergency to you if life threatening, the second > situation would not, but to me it would be. The big difference would be that YOU are not a sworn officer charged by society with the protection of the public. SM> Or, (as has been the case, especially with Cleveland PD) I come to > your department and say "I've just witnessed someone taking a child", > or, "I saw a car being stolen", do you honestly believe that the 'Sworn > LEO' would go right after the person, in the first situation they > would, the second they would not, at least immediately. SM> It would go something like this; (while still at the department) SM> 1. Did you see what they were wearing? > 2. What direction were they traveling? > 3. Were they in a vehicle, if so, what color, make, and model is it? > 4. How many people were in sight? > 5. Was there another vehicle seen? SM> This has occurred more times than I care to imagine, and most likely is > wide spread because *some* officers and departments simply do not care > because "they're lazy", if it is not important enough to them to > pursue, or if there is not a life in peril, they will not act. Or, if > they do, it won't be in a timely fashion. I suppose you would want the officers to rush off without collecting the information they need to properly investigate and pursue?????? CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * "1stReader is so good it's taxable!" --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00653 Date: 04/27/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 08:51am \/To: TOM RIGHTMER (Read 0 times) Subj: Freedom of Religion CC> P.S. How come Charles hasn't answered my question about why it's CC> freedom of religion? I know there wasd that little stint where we CC> both tried to hit below the belt, but it's over now. I asked for CC> forgiveness and forgiven him even though he denied any part. TR>I'm trying to remember which message you might be talking about. If you re >talking about the funeral service, that would involve Freedom of Religion. I >not, I may have missed the message you are talking about. I was in the >hospital for 26 days and have been pretty ill. I'm just now getting my >strength back and trying to catch up on everything. I'll try to look back >through some of the past messages and see if I can find the one you are >talking about. I had a snake try to bite me once, (not calling Chris a Snake); and I forgave the snake.................. but I don't travel in his neighborhood because I'm sure he'll still try to strike again. I think he was talking about the Funeral Procession and didn't understand how religion and the 1st Amendment attached to a funeral procession. While non-religious people have non religious funerals, religious people do have religious oriented funerals which constitute an exercise of religion. CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * "640k should be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates, 1981. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00654 Date: 04/27/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 08:52am \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Gang Turf RW>My suggestion would be allowing every adult in the area >to carry a concealed weapon. Let the gang know that >they are in danger if the try to commit a crime. An open shooting war, Rich? CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * "Bother", said Pooh as he fell into the nitric acid bath --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00655 Date: 04/27/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 08:56am \/To: GUY DISTAFFEN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Legality of Commande GD>I have seen only a few officers who wanted to drive at high rates of >speeds on public highways, where their lives are in as much danger as >the civilians they are trying to protect. And, few realize the paper work and hassles that are involved for an officer who is involved in a crash or damages his cruiser. CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * "I drank WHAT?!" -Socrates --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00656 Date: 04/27/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 09:03am \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Legality of Commandee -> *Sigh* warn me when you drive please. I want to be sure to not be on -> roads at the same time. MR>Umm ok, well you cant miss me, i'm the only big white '87 Chevy Carpice >in Newport News, with huge tires under the rear end, besides without >mufflers you can hear me coming 5 city blocks away . And of course, while you complain about the police cars and the way THEY drive,.......it's o.k. for you to do whatever you want? CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * "Ich bein 1stReader!!!" . John F. Kennedy --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00657 Date: 04/27/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 09:04am \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandee MR>Naw i doubt this car will throw a rod, it'll run 165 in the quartermile >on the strip. But if i had my other car out there it could very easly >throw a rod or blow up the engine. 165 in a quarter mile? 0-165 in a quarter? CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * "Say something warm and mushy." "Oatmeal!" --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00658 Date: 04/27/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 09:06am \/To: TOM RIGHTMER (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeerin TR>This has been explained before, but I'll give you a few reasons: 1) on oot >patrol; 2) on bicycle patrol; 3) on a function quite some distance from is >car; 4) on a special assignment where multiple officers rode in the same car >5) the police car has 200,000 miles on it and finally died of old age; 6) >there is a flat tire or some other disabling problem and no time to fix it >with the situation at hand; 7) etc., etc., etc. 8) the officer's car was disabled by the criminal; etc., etc. CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * "Windws is ine for bckgroun comunicaions" - Bll Gats, 192 --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00659 Date: 04/27/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 09:07am \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeerin MR>1) The transmission stripped due to repeated abuse, 2) the engine threw >a rod due to over reving 3) the car is wrapped around a telephone pole >somewhere etc. etc. etc.. If you really believed all of that, one would wonder about YOUR prudence in purchasing an ex police car. CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * "You've got backup systems. Let's see if they work!" --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00660 Date: 04/27/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 09:09am \/To: EARL NEWSOM (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeering EN>The law in Texas requiring assistance when asked is not enforceable >since there is no penalty clause in it. Failure to assist is against >the law but you can't be penalized. Maybe, Earl; but if your refusal to do your duty (to assist) resulted in injury or loss to a citizen or the officer you might have some large CIVIL liability to deal with. CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * 1stReader 2.00: The DOOM of offline mail readers. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org 610-259-2193 (1:273/408)