--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00166 Date: 04/23/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 04:26pm \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Gang Turf Hi Rich, as you were just saying about Re: Gang Turf.... RW> CH> Excellent topic, Tom. What do you think about a "Task Force" RW> CH> strategy whereby the task force would move into such an area before RW> CH> the gang has a chance to take over? The task force could organize RW> CH> and inform the citizens while taking police action to discourage the RW> CH> gang members. RW> RW> RB> So, basically, the police would just be another gang, RW> RB> starting things out with an adversarial, aggressive RW> RB> attitude? Sounds horrible, but *very* feasible. RW> RW> My suggestion would be allowing every adult in the area RW> to carry a concealed weapon. Let the gang know that RW> they are in danger if the try to commit a crime. The major problem that I see with that is that is that most crimes committed those areas are property crimes which do not carry a death penalty. This means that in order for the citizen to act with the possibility of deadly force, he/she must feel that their life (or a third party's) are in immediate danger of loss or serious bodily harm. As far as I know, the only other times a citizen may shoot is to prevent a rape or arson of an occupied building. A citizen cannot shoot someone for resisting arrest. The bottom line is that unless it falls into a legal shooting situation, carrying a gun is a rather empty threat. Of course, one could attempt to stop the goblins as a normal citizen should and then when they threatened you, it could very well be, "Katy, bar the door...." :^) RD sandman@azstarnet.com http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman A well-educated Congress being necessary for the governing of a free state, the right of the people to read and write books shall not be infringed. ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Don't fight with ugly people.......they have nothing to lose. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00167 Date: 04/23/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 04:31pm \/To: RYAN BAGUEROS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Legality of Commande Hi Ryan, as you were just saying about Re: Legality of Commandee.... RB> BR> There's a difference between A COP and ALL COPS that apprently eludes RB> BR> I'm tired of trying to explain things to you, so I'll let someone RB> BR> else explaing he difference between 'one' and 'many'. RB> RB> And you need someone to explain to you the difference between RB> 'isolated incidents' and 'systemic' or 'institutional' ... Or, possibly, you need to learn that not all isolated incidents add up to being 'systemic' or 'institutional'. If you hang out in an area where people are only talking about one subject from one viewpoint, a few isolated incidents can seem to be systemic since no coverage is given to the other side. When you can pull back and look at the overall picture, you see them for what they are. RD sandman@azstarnet.com http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman A well-educated Congress being necessary for the governing of a free state, the right of the people to read and write books shall not be infringed. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00168 Date: 04/23/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 04:50pm \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: racism in amerikkka Hi Mark, as you were just saying about Re: racism in amerikkka.... MR> -> Because I live in the United States and know next to nothing about lo MR> -> African politics. I will not deny that there are problems in Africa, MR> -> them caused by western colonialism.. MR> . MR> . MR> sorry buddy, hate to tell you none of the problems in south africa MR> are causted by western colonialism as you seem to think, we send MR> millions and millions of dollars in aid to them, what does the MR> government of south africa do with it ? spend it on tanks, guns and MR> bombs, while the people of the country starve, so again its the MR> blacks screwing over the blacks. Mark, much of colonial South Africa is white. RD sandman@azstarnet.com http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman A well-educated Congress being necessary for the governing of a free state, the right of the people to read and write books shall not be infringed. ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X You can't use nine pregnant women to produce a baby in one month. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00169 Date: 04/23/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 05:00pm \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: racism in America Hi Rich, as you were just saying about Re: racism in America.... RW> RW> Neither of the ones on my book shelf shows poverty CAUSES crime. If RW> RW> it did the crime rate in the poor rural areas would be just as high RW> RW> as the poor urban areas. RW> RW> RB> Right, whatever, now as I said, any book you pick up will RW> RB> show a link between poverty and crime. RW> RW> No, not "Right, whatever". There are no studies nor RW> papers nor anything else that shows a causal link RW> between poverty and crime. It can be disproved by the RW> facts I point out. If poverty caused crime the crime RW> rate in the poor rural areas would be just as high or RW> even higher then the poor urban areas. The fact is the RW> crime rates are not the same therefore there can NOT be RW> a casual link between poverty and crime. Not true, mon ami. You are correct in that poverty cannot be the *only* cause of crime. If it was, your response would be valid as it would if it were *never* a factor. The problem is that poverty is possibly a *contributing* factor to crime and, IMHO, a small one at that. There is no current study, that I am aware of, that completely removes it as a factor or judges just how much of a factor it is. The other part of the problem is defining what all parties mean by 'poverty'. Do you mean just the financial condition on an individual or family basis or do you mean geographic area within a city or a country or do you mean people who happen to be poor and have lost their family values or.......? Now, I agree that the majority of the problems that cause crime come out of the inner cities. Most of that is due (IMHO) to overcrowding, lack of education, poor inner city infrastructure and a loss of family values. Now, by family values, I do not mean having a mommy and a daddy. I mean a strong family leader within the family core regardless of gender or sexual orientation who will ensure the kids get fed, get to school and can, themselves, hold a job for a period of longer than a couple of months. RD sandman@azstarnet.com http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman A well-educated Congress being necessary for the governing of a free state, the right of the people to read and write books shall not be infringed. ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Only the mediocre are always at their best. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00170 Date: 04/23/98 From: BLAKE BOWERS Time: 10:21pm \/To: RYAN BAGUEROS (Read 0 times) Subj: choices in amerikka On (15 Apr 98) Ryan Bagueros wrote to Blake Bowers... RB> Quoting Blake Bowers from a message to Ryan Bagueros BB> So, if I get tired of working at my job, I can go out and commit a BB> crime, and that would be ok? RB> I didn't say it would be okay. But can you explain the social RB> phenomenon where people who are even too young to legally work commit RB> property crimes? Sure, a breakdown of family values, The "ME" outlook, and TV. --- PPoint 1.98 * Origin: KD4RME, The POINT of it all.... (1:284/99.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00171 Date: 04/23/98 From: BLAKE BOWERS Time: 10:22pm \/To: BOB RUDOLPH (Read 0 times) Subj: choices in amerikka On (16 Apr 98) Bob Rudolph wrote to Blake Bowers... BB> Again, a result of a CHOICE you made. BR> When a choice has consequences, the consequences are selected when the BR> choice is made. if he doesn't LIKE the consequences, he ought to BR> consider changing his CHOICES - or going somewhere where HIS choices BR> have no negative BR> consequences. Exactly. However, some people just don't want to see that! --- PPoint 1.98 * Origin: KD4RME, The POINT of it all.... (1:284/99.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00172 Date: 04/23/98 From: BLAKE BOWERS Time: 10:28pm \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandee On (13 Apr 98) Charles Hunter wrote to Scott Mcquilkin... CH> just compensation. As for the insurance, if your car has plates on it CH> it's supposed to be insured. Yes, and no. You can always self insure. Put a bond up, which can be self backed, with the state in place of insurance. Sort of like insurance, but the money would come out of your pocket directly, instead of an insurance company. --- PPoint 1.98 * Origin: KD4RME, The POINT of it all.... (1:284/99.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00173 Date: 04/23/98 From: BLAKE BOWERS Time: 10:30pm \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandee On (14 Apr 98) Charles Hunter wrote to Mark Raciborski... CH> MR>out your ol' cell phone, call the GM On-star # enter your persnnal CH> code >and have it send the code to the car that kills the engine and CH> locks the >doors and wont restart until the code is rentered, this CH> is a 4000 dollar >extra feature on Gm cars by the way. CH> Get real. Not sure about the price part, but the rest of it is on the money. (With some spelling problems) --- PPoint 1.98 * Origin: KD4RME, The POINT of it all.... (1:284/99.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00174 Date: 04/23/98 From: BLAKE BOWERS Time: 10:34pm \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandee On (16 Apr 98) Mark Raciborski wrote to Ryan Bagueros... MR> Funny you should say that, here in Virginia we've had 2 patrol cars MR> crash in less then a week, 1st crash the officer was speeding and went MR> into a poll and the car exploded, the 2nd crash the officer was again MR> speeding and drove the car into the side of the library and ruined all Where did each of these happen? Specifically please. --- PPoint 1.98 * Origin: KD4RME, The POINT of it all.... (1:284/99.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F5G00175 Date: 04/23/98 From: BLAKE BOWERS Time: 10:35pm \/To: MARK RACIBORSKI (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeering On (16 Apr 98) Mark Raciborski wrote to Tom Rightmer... MR> appartment complex. if the police slowed down i'm sure the firebird MR> would have too. luckly no one was hurt. Well, Gosh, I bet you if the Firebird had only slowed down, those police cars would have slowed down also! Insofar as the Firebird slowing down if the Police had slowed down, let's take a reality trip, shall we? If the Firebird was trying to evade the Police, do you really think that if the Police slowed down, that the Firebird would have slowed down to make it easier to be caught? --- PPoint 1.98 * Origin: KD4RME, The POINT of it all.... (1:284/99.10)