--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4E00039 Date: 04/09/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 12:39am \/To: DARYL STOUT (Read 0 times) Subj: Disturbing Funerals DS> Interesting...and I believe very appropriate...especially when the DS> grief is for your family. -!- * OLX 1.53 * No one is listening This situation is really never fully understood until you experience it with your own family. There is something soothing about dignity and respect shown to the family at the service and on the way to the cemetary. It is a time honored tradition that I hope is never abandoned. Tom ... Humpty Dumpty DOS - Just a shell of himself. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4E00040 Date: 04/09/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 12:39am \/To: DARYL STOUT (Read 0 times) Subj: Citizens' Duty To Assist DS> A similar deal is in the Amateur Radio rules, Title 47, Code of DS> Federal Regulations, Part 97...where an amateur radio operator has DS> "emergency or priority traffic" when: 1) The information involves DS> the safety of life, or the protection of property. DS> 2) The amateur radio operator is himself, "in distress"...or is DS> assisting another station "in distress"...where no provision of the DS> rules prohibits the amateur radio operator of making known his DS> location, situation, and using whatever means is necessary to obtain DS> assistance. This makes perfect sense to me. My department has worked closely with Amateur Radio Clubs for years during disasters and other emergencies. We even have a plan for the Amateur Radio Clubs to handle our communications if our primary methods are destroyed or go down for some other reason. We've worked together many times, especially during storm season. Find a way to enjoy Florida just a little bit. Tom ... Nitrate: The motel rate for a stay of more than two hours --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4E00041 Date: 04/08/98 From: BARBARA MCNAY Time: 06:46am \/To: GLENN VERMETTE (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeering cars > *** Quoting Barbara McNay to Glenn Vermette *** > BM> Well, you never addressed the legality of it. However, let's > BM> explore this some more. Some cop comes up to me; he can't open > BM> my doors, because I keep them locked. He tells me to open up and > BM> get out, that he needs my car. Is he going to stand by patiently > BM> while I remove my key, struggle out of the car and go round to > BM> the trunk to remove and assemble my walker so I won't be left > BM> without the support I need to get anywhere, like up the curb and > BM> out of the road? > Sigh..........!!!!!!!! Not a very enlightening answer. Is any citizen entitled to say, "Not in MY car, you don't"? If not, what would it take, and how long, to convince a cop that ready transportation really was not available from me? My car does not have special equipment or identifying features. Don't sigh again, please. Thinking does not enable us to know laws, police procedures or any other specialized, unfamiliar or unexperienced thing. <---<< Barb >>---> --- * Origin: The Barb >>---> Killeen, Texas, USA (1:395/48) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4E00042 Date: 04/07/98 From: DON BOX Time: 07:53pm \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 0 times) Subj: ZERO TOLERANCE RW> Yes, I'm paranoid but I have read a lot of history and found that RW> anytime a government starts hiding its actions and restricting its RW> people "for their own protection" things tends to get nasty for RW> those being protected. Think I've been saying that for a couple of years, here... DB --- * RM 1.31 3089 * Ooops! heh Tried to steal my own tagline. :) --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Computer One BBS (818) 763-0678 - bbsinfo@comp1.com (1:102/836.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4E00043 Date: 04/09/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 09:28am \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 0 times) Subj: Disorderly Conduct TR> It's not just the yelling of "FIRE" in a crowded theatre that can get ou > trouble. I thought I would quote a typical ordinance that deals with matters CH> Yes; but you can still yell "Movie" in a Firehouse. If there is a 300 pound fireman named Bubba asleep at the time, you might regret it, even though it is not against the law. Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... Witches who misbehave are sent to their broom. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4E00044 Date: 04/09/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 09:28am \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 0 times) Subj: Disturbing The Peace TR> 4. Lewdly exposing one's person, or private parts thereof, in a > public place or in any place where there are present other persons > to be offended or annoyed thereby; CH> That one's been changed Tom. Presently the rule is "more than CH> once. You are quite correct, I'd forgotten about the "politician exception". ROTFL Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... The universe is a figment of it's own imagination. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4E00045 Date: 04/09/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 09:28am \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 0 times) Subj: Self Citizen's Arrest TR> You are not allowed any visitors, but you may talk to yourself. > Conjugal visits are not permitted. Wouldn't that constitute CH> "cruel and unusual punishment", Tom? The original thought was to protect the self-arrested person from harsh language and communicable diseases. Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... Ahh... Puddytat's not's so bwave in gwanny's micwowave! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4E00046 Date: 04/09/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 09:28am \/To: GLENN VERMETTE (Read 0 times) Subj: Obedience To Orders Of Police And Firefi09:28:4104/09/98 TR> This is just another example of an ordinance which would allow the TR> commandeering of a vehicle for police use. It actually allows a wide TR> range of required assistance. I thought you might find this TR> interesting. GV> Yeah, but it never ceases to amaze me on the number of mental midgets GV> that want a debate on this when the crap is hitting the fan on the GV> street. And then people wonder why force is sometimes GV> necessary.....sigh... UM?, I don't remember a debate on this topic in this echo, just a simple question from a citizen that I attempted to answer. I believe there was a debate on this topic in ASKACOP2 some time ago, but this continues to be a question of interest to many citizens. BTW, are the mental midgets lined up so that you can count them easily? You might also want to consider that when the crap is hitting the fan on the street that an officer can require assistance from a citizen. An understanding on the citizens' part that this assistance is mandatory may prevent a debate between mental midgets on the street when lives are at stake. If police officers refuse to share information such as this with the public, it would appear that the officers would be the mental midgets. You would be surprised how many good citizens are willing to help an officer when the crap hits the fan, with or without their knowledge of laws pertaining to civic duty. What amazes me is the level of your anger over such a simple question. One of the primary purposes of this echo is citizens asking questions and officers providing answers. Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... Autoexec.bat: A cross between Lee Iacocca & Count Dracula --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4E00047 Date: 04/09/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 09:25am \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 0 times) Subj: Legality of Commandeering common sense..... Something "Most" LEOS have quite a bit of and some civilians show little evidence of understanding the concept.This is not to slam any person here who makes an intelligent and realistic scenario rather than arguing with the signpost. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4E00048 Date: 04/09/98 From: RICH GRIEBEL Time: 09:24am \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 0 times) Subj: zero tolerance -> MSGID: 1:379/301.1 52988b82 -> REPLY: 1:273/408@fidonet.org e78aecb2 -> RW>Now, we both know that probably 99.999% of the LEOs out -> >there want nothing more then to do their job and go -> >home every day. But there is and always will be that -> >small number that forces all of us, LEOs and LACs, to -> >keep a bright light on all of them. -> CH> O.K.; but now you are talking about exceptions to the rule. -> But w/o being able to see what is happening and what -> all of them are doing you will have a very hard time -> finding this exception. -> Here is an example. An officer heard on the scanner -> saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, that he was going to -> find SOMETHING to arrest this a$$hole for. Referring -> to someone he had just pulled over. And he did. The -> only thing was someone had heard him and contacted the -> guy or his lawyer. When the judge heard the radio -> tapes with this statement on it the case was tossed -> out. (FYI, the officer lasted about two more weeks on -> the job.) Not that the officer did anything correct, but what happened to the individual that violated Federal, and possibly State law, by tape recording the radio transmissions and releasing them to a third party? --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Kendra Communications, Everett WA (1:343/304)