--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4200157 Date: 03/28/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 07:12pm \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Zero Tolerance CH> Rich, I do not think that the intent of public drinking laws CH> was intended to invade one's private property unless you CH> were intoxicated and creating a disturbance. RW>Which is the point I'm TRYING to make about ZT >policies. They force the officer to enforce the letter >of the law and not the intent. CH> Your point is not well made. If the law is not intended to CH> invade one's private property (assuming no disturbing of the CH> peace) then drinking on one's own property is not against CH> the law and not subject to ANY zt policy. It was not on private property, it was on the sidewalk which in most places is considered public property. I made very sure that I put that he was on the sidewalk drinking his beer and there was a ZT policy in effect for drinking in public. Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4200158 Date: 03/28/98 From: RICH WILLBANKS Time: 07:15pm \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: zero tolerance CH> I have a PDR in my notebook that can identify most any RW>HUH? Every PDR I've ever seen has been about 12"X8"X4" CH> There is computer software that incorporates the pdr. DUH! Sorry I still associate notebook with paper not computer chips. That's what through me. Remember: Freedom isn't Free! --- timEd-B11 * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4200159 Date: 03/29/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 06:26pm \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Zero Tolerancelocal option jurisdictions18:26:1803/29/98 KY and TN have local option liquir laws that restrict possession and drinking of any alcoholic beverage illegal by anyone whjether on his own properyy or not.Even godd old Jack Daniels, bittled in Lynchburg, TN can not be bought or legally cnsumed there. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4200160 Date: 03/29/98 From: CAROL SHENKENBERGER Time: 08:14pm \/To: KENT ANDERSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: STREET PEOPLE *** Quoting Kent Anderson from a message to Carol Shenkenberger *** CS> When I was 5, an accident placed me in a wheelchair. When I was 8, I CS> walked free of it forever. I wasnt ignorant. When I was 9, I was CS> temporarily blinded for 6 months. I did not know if it would end, nor CS> did the Doctors, but I went to school and learned to listen well. CS> When my sight came back fully, I was not behind. I was not ignorant CS> because I used what I had, to the best I could. Had I stayed blind, I CS> would have done rather well I think. CS> Convincing yourself to *try* is 90% of the battle. Been there, know CS> the story. Yes, sometimes you get knocked down, but you get back up CS> again and sallay forth yet one more time until you DO get what you CS> want. KA> Carol, KA> I just wanted to say that for my money, the world is a much better KA> place because you are in it. Can't quite say the same for Ryan. I think you are wrong. I thin Ryan just hasnt yet been knocked down and gotten up. !Yet!. He will. He is young, and it's popular to say some things right now without thought. he's repeating by rote what his 'buds' say and not yet thinking on his own. Thats pretty normal. On may subjects I did that at his age too, and i'm sure I do it today on some subjects but am not aware of it. The big thing is to try. It matters not what another's measure stick expects, but that you have progressed in something you wanted to be better . Capitalism may not be perfect, but nothing else we have seen allows a harder worker to get ahead of the rest of the herd. xxcarol --- Telegard v3.09.b16 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4200161 Date: 03/29/98 From: JAMES STACY Time: 05:17pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Motorcycle How old do you have to be to get a motorcycle learner's permit? ~James --- * Origin: Macgyver's Realm (304) 733-2266 Huntington, WV (1:262/24) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4200162 Date: 03/29/98 From: RICH GRIEBEL Time: 03:53pm \/To: RYAN BAGUEROS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Due Process -> RG> So civil claims aren't based on the hard cold facts of a incident, -> RG> often the awards are the result of the emotional state the courtroom -> RG> theatrics leave the juryin. -> I really don't think comparing a pain & suffering, television-ad -> court case with the death of a person at the hands of the police is -> worthwhile. Completely different circumstances. Television didn't have anything to do with that case... -> There's more, of course, including the fact that they employed -> hog-tying, which was banned at their department at the time. Banned or not for use except under extreme cases. What city is involved? -> Regardless, discussing one anecdote does us no good. There are literally hundreds of cases where citizens, Police, Fire Fighters, Doctors or Lawyers were found innocent of criminal charges, yet found to be "at fault" to some degree in a civil trial. -> Do you think police brutality is a problem in our society, and if so, -> what should be done about it? -> I'd be interested in hearing what the cops on this echo think of police -> brutality.. There is _no_ profession which doesn't have it's share excesses, many cause pain and suffering to the victim. There are many processes in place to detect and prosecute excessive use of force by Law Enforcement. Just watch the news now and again and you'll sure to see such a case. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Kendra Communications, Everett WA (1:343/304) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4200163 Date: 03/29/98 From: RICH GRIEBEL Time: 04:12pm \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 1 times) Subj: those with the gold make the rules -> MSGID: 1:379/301.1 51c8ae51 -> REPLY: 1:226/580.5 9d3fa421 -> RB> Meanwhile, someone is "earning" $70 million for a thirty -> RB> second television commercial. -> Where do you get numbers like that??? That's what I got for my last commercial, didn't you? --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Kendra Communications, Everett WA (1:343/304) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4200164 Date: 03/29/98 From: STEVE BANASIEWICZ Time: 03:58am \/To: JOHN F DAVIS (Read 1 times) Subj: Teenage Smoking JRM>in a previous post, ALL teens are not smoking...in fact I believe the ratio JRM>smoking/non-smoking teens leans toward the non-smoking side, and JRM>always has. Apparently, some teens have the ability to resist such JRM>advertisments. Perhaps this is because their parents don't smoke and JRM>have educated their children on the ramifications of smoking. The JRM>actions of the parents are much more responsible for teen smoking than JRM>the tobacco companies, IMNSHO. JFD> Well, I'd like to believe that's why I never notice tobacco stains or JFD> smell on my daughter. JFD> As for "Forcing the kids to light up and inhale" JFD> There are very simple ways to do that... Let me tell you of a song JFD> I know "Wind from Rainbow's End" by Mr. Bill Roper JFD> When I was a child, I made my way to school JFD> I found the ways of children to be terrible and cruel JFD> As I was different, they choose me for the one JFD> The subject of their pleasure, To torment just for fun JFD> (From those words and the ones that follow them it is clear that Bill JFD> and I were destined to meet. We both were "Different" and both used JFD> the same tools to survive the school yard) JFD> What you do to get an entire class of kids lit up is make it look cool JFD> (IN their innocenect they don't know any better after all) and get a JFD> few kids to light up. Now the rest will tend to follow the leaders so JFD> as to not be the "Different" kid. JFD> Of course, There are always hold outs (IE: Bill, and I) who don't go JFD> with the flow but follow a better (We hope) path. JFD> Still... The pressure that a class of smokers can bring on a few kids JFD> who think drugs are for dopes (Why do you think they call it DOPE) Speaking of, is that a 402? ... Fatal Memory Error! But, what the hell WAS it? --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 * Origin: Eastern Light BBS 860/290-8578 10p-8a Only (1:142/578) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4200165 Date: 03/29/98 From: DAVE SMITH Time: 05:06pm \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Amazing coincidence -=> Quoting Charles Hunter to Dave Smith <=- DS>I saw the most amazing coincidence on television last night. Living close >to Buffalo, we get the Buffalo news, and there was a report about the >conviction of a man who involved in a hit and run boat accident that >killed two people. I flipped the station and came across a Cops episode >about that very same incident. They showed the boats that were involved CH> and >had footage of the divers bringing the bodies up. What a coincidence CH> that t >two programs covered the same incident at the same time, 8 months after it >happened. CH> The Buffalo news team is a little behind with their news reports? ??? No. They were reporting on the conviction. It usually takes at least a few months for cases to get to court. I just thought it was a heck of a coincidence that this Cops episode was running a segment on the incident and the recovery of the bodies at the same time the local news was reporting on the trial and conviction of the hit and run driver. ... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: The Hunting Field - Welland, Ont. (905)735-9081 (1:247/600.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F4200166 Date: 03/31/98 From: RYAN BAGUEROS Time: 07:35am \/To: RICH GRIEBEL (Read 1 times) Subj: police brutality Quoting Rich Griebel from a message to Ryan Bagueros RG> There is _no_ profession which doesn't have it's share excesses, many RG> cause pain and suffering to the victim. There are many processes in RG> place to detect and prosecute excessive use of force by Law RG> Enforcement. Just watch the news now and again and you'll sure to RG> see such a case. Yes, but it is my contention, and a lot of people's opinion, that more often than not, the police can be abusive without anything happening. Its always enlightening to me that police and cop supporters are _never_ concerned about stopping illegal police brutality - they are just interested in downplaying it. I have yet to hear a cop on this echo say, "Yes, brutality _is_ a problem, but I'm doing all I can to stop it." --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: #thepublicistoblame#.subversivetelecom.OHiO (1:226/580.5) --- PCBoard (R) v15.4 (OS/2) 10 Beta