--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3S00004 Date: 03/21/98 From: D.E. BRYANT Time: 02:58pm \/To: JIM WESTBROOK (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: STREET PEOPLE -> Answering a msg of , from Ryan Bagueros to B -> Rudolph: -> -> =>BR> What a crock. If I earned it, then I can determine how it is u -> =>BR> and if it pleases me I can light cigars with it. If you want -> it, =>BR> you have either to earnit, or I can determine to give it -> to you. If -> => -> =>Oh, don't get me wrong, I understand you have a legal right to deci -> what to -> =>do with your money. That doesn't make it any less patronizing. Its -> =>same old relationship being reinforced again - the one with the mon -> the -> =>one deciding who does what. -> -> Yup, Golden Rule at work -- those with the gold make the rules. -> -> Jim Yes, humanity's "golden rule". What is often sad is that those "with the gold" tend to be or become the least noble of character, thinking or becoming convinced that their money [and resulting social stature] somehow place them above the rest of humanity in quality. You may think you are being gracious when you approach a homeless person to say that you will help them with clothing and to get employment. On the surface it looks good but in reality you are imposing your view of value on them without ever asking THEM what it is THEY wish or need. There is another GOLDEN RULE that is rarely quoted: "Do unto others as they would have you do unto them." It is one step beyond the more familiar form of doing unto others as you have them do unto you. In the first, you move away from yourself and hiding your selfishness behind a grand gesture by actually discerning [or asking] the needs of another-and giving him THAT. If you can't, then decline. Better refusal than "noblesse oblige". --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Computer One BBS (818) 763-0678 - bbsinfo@comp1.com (1:102/836.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3S00005 Date: 03/21/98 From: D.E. BRYANT Time: 03:23pm \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 1 times) Subj: Teenage Smoking -> RT> In that respect, tobacco companies ARE at least partially -> RT> responsible for teenage smoking. -> -> Only because they make the product. Other wise -> firearms companies are responsible for teens and -> preteens using their product illegally. And car -> companies when they use their product. -> -> If the product is dangerous then make it illegal or a -> controlled drug. If it isn't then don't blame the -> manufacture for its use. -> -> IMNHOP, this is just another attempt for people to duck -> responsibility and put the blame on someone other then -> themselves. -> -> -> Remember: Freedom isn't Free! -> --- timEd-B11 -> * Origin: My BBS * Dover, TN * (1:379/301.1) Cigarettes and tobacco products in general are wholly detrimental; there is NOTHING healthful or uplifting in their usage. In fact, those who smoke do so because they have developed a bodily dependency that overrides reason and personal decision--akin to any other drug addict. And when the dependency calls, the smoker promptly heeds--with no thought at all of imposing upon the well-being of neighboring non-dependents. This is unethical, plain and simple. The tobacco companies simply create addictive poison. They generate billions of dollars yearly from the enterprise--and those billions, some of which are passed to law-makers and government officials, make certain that even in the face of bald fact, they can do as they please. Someone asked if the kids are forced to take on cigarettes. Emotionally and socially--VERY MUCH so. Peer pressure is a POWERFUL force; few adults, let alone teens, can STAND against the will of the collective. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Computer One BBS (818) 763-0678 - bbsinfo@comp1.com (1:102/836.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3S00006 Date: 03/22/98 From: GORDON TODD Time: 07:42am \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 1 times) Subj: Zero Tolerance RW>CH> Any officer stopping your vehicle is going to be concerned RW>CH> about his safety. Obviously, if you had a 12 guage shotgun RW>CH> on the seat next to you it would be important that he be RW>CH> aware of that. Moreover, the officer has an obligation to RW>Hum. . .I guess they think maybe I'm Plasticman and RW>they should make sure I don't have that shotgun on the RW>rear floorboard behind the driver's seat. I can see RW>the argument but when the courts have ruled that the RW>officer can search the passenger compartment even if RW>the driver is out side of the car for the officer's RW>"safety" it starts getting really thin. Hello Gents: In PA, once a driver is reomved from the car, an officer may not search any part of that vehicle. He may remove any contraband which is in plain view, sieze it, and charge the driver with any offense which follows from that legal siezure. The basis for this is PA Supreme Court ruling in Commonwealth vs. White, Dec 1995. Related U.S. Supreme Court decisions are Belton (1981) and Timko (1980). I would note that in White, the PA supreme court specifically indicates that it is their intent to give motorists greater protection under the PA Constitution than motorists receive under the U.S. Constitution. Stay safe, Gordon Todd Lansdale, PA Police Patrolman, Firearms Instructor, Field Training Officer NGHTFLAME7@aol.com --- * SLMR 2.1a * "Bother" said Pooh as he set up a claymore. * Origin: The Hotline BBS (Lansdale,Pa) [215-393-8594] (1:2614/740) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3S00007 Date: 03/22/98 From: GORDON TODD Time: 07:31am \/To: MIKE NASCA (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: TEENAGE SMOKING MN>hello oliva my name is rosa i think that cops are stupid if they actually sa MN>that underage smoking is a crime i mean whats the deiierence if your 16 or 3 MN>if yuo smoke you smoke what the hell can people do about it you know what im MN>sayin girl? rosa write me back soonnnn!!!!!!! Mike: Underage smoking is called a "status crime." what that means is that it is only a violation of the law due to the age of the actor, rather than due to the action itself. It is very similar to underage drinking, or being a runaway. If you are over 21, you can drink, and it isn't a crime. if you are over 18, you can leave home and stay away as long as you like. If you fall below the threshold ages, the government has decided that you are not old enough to make informed decisions about drinking, smoking, or leaving home. I'm not going to judge whether this is right or wrong, it is simply the law. In PA, underage smoking, unlike underage drinking, is not a crime. Underage purchase of cigarettes, or buying cigarettes for minors IS a crime. As a police officer, I can not charge a kid for simply smoking. If Icatch him buying smokes, or catch a store selling to him, then I can charge someone with a crime. As for whether cops think anything is a crime or not, we go by what our legislators tell us. If murder weren't on the books as a crime, we wouldn't arrest anyone for it. If you have a problem with a law, don't whine at the police. We frequently will agree with your opinion, but still have an obligation to enforce the law. Stay safe, Gordon Todd Lansdale, PA Police NGHTFLAME7@aol.com --- * SLMR 2.1a * My reality check just bounced. * Origin: The Hotline BBS (Lansdale,Pa) [215-393-8594] (1:2614/740) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3S00008 Date: 03/21/98 From: RICH GRIEBEL Time: 01:55pm \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 1 times) Subj: zero tolerance -> MSGID: 1:379/301.1 511510f2 -> -> RG> I've dealt with several truck drivers that have prescription -> -> RG> drugs all mixed together in a bottle. Our radio operators -> -> RG> have access to a PDR, and 24hr numbers they can call for -> -> RG> most pharmaceutical chains. If all else fails we start -> -> Back in the old days these might have been a lot of use -> -> now days not much. It wasn't that long ago you could -> -> call a pharmacist and tell him the color and shape of a -> -> pill and he could tell what it was, heck some pills had -> -> their brand name stamped on them. Now days you get a -> RG> Actually, when we contact the originating pharmacy, radio -> RG> gives them my Cell number. I talk to them directly, give -> Ah. . .but what if the person is from out of town or -> thinks you are invading their privacy and invokes their -> RIGHT to keep quite? Neither of which matter if there -> is a ZT policy in effect because you, as a street cop, -> DO NOT have that option! Sorry, no privacy in a commercial vehicle. If it's found during an inspection, the operator has to explain it. Upheld in the USSC several times. As far as out of town pharmacies, how about one in Saskatchewan, they do have phones in the outback :) -> RG> them the customer name and they can tell me what he/she is -> RG> supposed to have, what color shape and number is supposed to -> Which would depend on when the scrip was filled and it -> could be the same shape and size of several other -> drugs. I've never noticed the numbers on the pills so -> that might work. We can generally get the description of the medicine dispensed. They keep pretty close tabs on the description of the meds dispensed at the time of refill. Rarely (according to my Pharmacist at Group Health) is a tab identical to another of a similar drug. You may have some similarities, but the imprinted identification will be different. All of the inquiry would be a mute issue if the person in question has the medicine in the bottle in which it was originally dispensed. People just have this need to mix things up in one bottle. As I outlined in another message, sometimes mixing the meds can create a bad result, even if it's residue in the bottle. If your concerned about privacy, you do realize every time you fill a prescription, or visit a doctor and use your health insurance, the visit or med is reported to the MIB? Not men in black, it's an insurance clearing house in Georgia (I believe) that Life Insurance companies go through to check on an applicants health record. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Kendra Communications, Everett WA (1:343/304) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3S00009 Date: 03/21/98 From: RICH GRIEBEL Time: 02:00pm \/To: DAVE SMITH (Read 1 times) Subj: Hours of Work -> MSGID: 1:247/600.0 8C20A7DB -> TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 93-1017 -> Rich, -> I need some information on hours of work regulations. I have been -> reading through your federal regulations to try to answer something -> about combining "off duty" and "sleeper berth" time. Our regulations -> allow 13 hours of driving (you guys allow only 10) after "8 -> consecutive hours off duty" . The regulations defines that as 8 -> consecutive hours off duty or as time spent in the sleeper in two -> periods not less than 2 hours that add up to 8. However, it does not -> provide for combining off duty and sleeper berth, even if they are -> consecutive. Some drivers in an internet news group are quite -> convinced that it is allowed, provided they run consecutively, but no -> one can provide a source for that, other than anecdotal accounts of -> being checked or audited and not being charged. I'll ship ya a reply via Email, don't think this would be of any real interest here. -> My personal take is that it is not legal here or there, but that it is -> warning material. It is legal here, with some provisos, see my Email... -> ???? -> BTW.... I keep seeing messages to you in this echo that appear to be -> replies to you, but I never see any messages from you. Perhaps if you -> have I guess, since I run a small ISP, that I have Internet access :) Rich --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Kendra Communications, Everett WA (1:343/304) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3S00010 Date: 03/22/98 From: LAWANDA TAYLOR Time: 11:05am \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: SCHOOL BUS & SPEED... LT> The report in question was put together with the help of the Omaha LT> Police Dept. The reporter was with an on-duty officer who is LT> trained and certified to operate a radar gun. CH> That additional information makes all the difference in the world. CH> I thought it would my friend! LaWanda --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Solar Quest Online - Omaha, Ne - (402) 341-4951 (1:285/85) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3S00011 Date: 03/22/98 From: DANIEL MCCORMICK Time: 11:18am \/To: BOB RUDOLPH (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: SCHOOL BUS & SPEED... LT> The report in question was put together with the help of the Omaha LT> Police Dept. The reporter was with an on-duty officer who is LT> trained and certified to operate a radar gun. BR> If that be the case, and the device was calibrated, what was the BR> reason for no citation's having been issued? That was my question to begin with! Daniel --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Solar Quest Online - Omaha, Ne - (402) 341-4951 (1:285/85) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3S00012 Date: 03/22/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 09:44am \/To: RYAN BAGUEROS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: STREET PEOPLEinsurance at worj does 09:44:4803/22/98 You show an incredible amouint og naivete with the statement insurance at work is someone else paying for an injury being equal to "someone else ayong" #1 the person working is not only paying a good [portion of his own insuranve cost but also the additional taxes required to support those that choose not to work but are a drain on society as a whole. At least those working in employment where insurance is available are in effect prepasying their own costs in a manner of speaking. grow up, get real and realize life isn't an orchard withall these I see I want growing free for the picking by those who want and expecyt something for being born.Most of us look at american citizenship as an opportunity to suiceed. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3S00013 Date: 03/22/98 From: J. RANDY MITCHELL Time: 05:11pm \/To: RON TAYLOR (Read 1 times) Subj: Teenage Smoking JRM>> Second...blaming cigarette companies for teen-age smoking JRM>> is like blaming hot fudge sundaes for fat people. JRM>> Teenagers have a choice...no one forces them to begin a JRM>> potentially lethal habit. RT> While I can't disagree totally with you, it is a fact that RT> cigarette companies DO tailor some of their advertising to RT> target teens and preteens. I agree that tobacco companies target younger people in their advertising just as automobile companies target certain ages and classes of people. If I had an accident in my Mercury Sable, for which I feel I was a target for advertising, I couldn't hardly blame the manufacturer. Advertising itself can't be made to shoulder the burden. Advertising a product is a big part of the "Free Enterprise" system we have. Advertising is simply a suggestion. If a child falls prey to a "suggestion" to smoke I hate to think what the rest of their life is going to be like. Not ALL teenagers smoke and I believe that a teen following the advertiser's suggestion to smoke indicates poor judgement, weakness and ignorance. It is up to parents to provide the information that smoking is dangerous and possibly lethal. JRM>> If todays young people would learn to take resposibility for JRM>> their own actions instead of playing the "victim" they would find JRM>> this to be a much better world to live in in their future. RT> I've taught this to my kids and thus far (18 and 16) they are RT> not users of tobacco or alcohol. When and if they decide to RT> do so, they will both be aware that the responsibility is on RT> THEIR shoulders. Good for you! I totally agree and have taught my children the same thing (21 and 7). Thanks for your response. --- * Origin: Jazzmaster Point (1:124/6308.7)