--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3E00007 Date: 03/05/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 06:45am \/To: DON BOX (Read 1 times) Subj: STREET PEOPLE Puke away. I worked these areas daily, the wino knife fights, the total irresponsibility and higher crime rate and extremely high disregard for societies norms like paying for what you wanr and hiding at the priests frock at the mission. and you blame police. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3E00008 Date: 03/05/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 06:51am \/To: JOHN F DAVIS (Read 1 times) Subj: zero tolerance Interesting. Schools are the primers for life and tolerance education begins there as does understanding your fellow person. Education comes in many ways that are sometimes frowned on by zt advocates. The bully being whooped on by the victim after sustained abuse and provocation serves a purpose in education. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3E00009 Date: 03/05/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 06:54am \/To: JOHN F DAVIS (Read 1 times) Subj: zero tolerancet-he tablet Yup and a piece of hard candy could be used in enforcing the "counterfeit substance">g --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3E00010 Date: 03/05/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 06:59am \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 1 times) Subj: zero tolerance My point exactly about a rule unenforced. Given that every rule violation is different, making the self defense punishment similar to the agressors punishment sends a clear signal to all teaches the victim to be a victim and at the same time empowers the aggrssor with the knowledge that they can prey on victims at will and increasingly thosee that defend themselves will not. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3E00011 Date: 03/05/98 From: KENT ANDERSON Time: 08:58am \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 1 times) Subj: Zero Tolerance -=> Quoting Rich Willbanks to Tom Rightmer <=- RW> It seems to me that you are the one who don't RW> understand HOW it is used. I've seen it FIRST HAND. RW> Zero Tolerance (ZT) means just that ZERO, none, nada, RW> zilch tolerance for any violation of the rules. RW> You seem to want to apply ZT only to certain crimes or RW> areas. IOW, you don't want ZT, you want ZT in the RW> areas YOU think is good but want Some Tolerance (ST) in RW> other areas. Sorry but you can't have it both ways w/o RW> looking or being hypocritical or preadjust. Rich, You are beginning to come across as having a closed mind. Even if citizens demanded, and the police were willing, there probably isn't enough money or manpower to use zero tolerance in all areas. When Tom (or others) explain that zero tolerance is mostly used at the demand of citizens in an area that has been or is being taken over by scumbags, it just goes over your head. Then, you throw up incidences of abuse arising out of a school district's application of zero tolerance. In my city, at the insistence of the citizens, including members of MADD and others who have suffered at the hands of drunk drivers, the Police have announced zero tolerance for drunk drivers. Comparing this with the school district's actions would be to say that if they stopped a driver and smelled alcohol on his breath, they'd arrest him. That's not the way it works. It means that, if under the laws as written he is legally DUI, then there will be no lenience. His fate will be up to a court of law. If my neighborhood were to become overridden with drug dealers and hopheads, and I feared for my safety when I opened my door, I'd be among the citizens demanding zero tolerance until the situation was corrected, and would get involved with the LEO's to make it happen. Think about it a little deeper, huh! Regards. Kent, Non-LEO ... A cop's life must get discouragin' sometimes! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Rendezvous!! 8gigs_20000files_500echoareas 512-303-1324 (1:382/92) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3E00012 Date: 03/05/98 From: BOB RUDOLPH Time: 08:59am \/To: DON BOX (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: STREET PEOPLE While I have a certain amount of philosophical agreement with the desire for freedom, it smacks of an unwillingness to compromise with anyone about anything - which is simply not possible unless you're the only animal on the island. There is a middle ground. I don't know of a ruleset, however, that defines it. As long as there are others about, someone's absolute freedom will get infringed. it is important, too to note that these folks who choose this sort of freedom generally are not at all shy or proud when something is needed from the system in which they choose not to participate. Several lawsuits near where I live about the use of public facilities to the exclusion of others come to mind. --- AdeptXBBS v1.11z (FREEWare/2) * Origin: CopShop AdeptXBBS (1:261/3050) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3E00013 Date: 03/05/98 From: BOB RUDOLPH Time: 09:03am \/To: DON BOX (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: STREET PEOPLE DB> I keep hearing this word responsibility... it makes me want to puke! DB> I don't owe you anything. I pay my bills, carry my own weight and DB> really don't care for your society which lied, stole and and cheated DB> the American Indians out of their land. Broken contracts and less than DB> civilized intent toward your hosts on this continent... this is the DB> result of what you call responsibility. As long as you feel compelled to live in the society, to use any of the facilities that we are all taxed in order to supply, and, for that matter, to make debts and pay bills you have given a part of yourself to it - and a part of you is owed and owes it. We are a far reach from what happend (historically speaking, properly, in the light and mores of the times) in the times that you cite - and it is not reasonable to single out a particular act or period and comdemn everything that follows based on that act in that time. "It was another time in another place and anyhow the wench is dead" comes to mind here. I don't feel the least bit culpable for anything that occurred before I was born - I had nothing to do with it, and the most that I can reasonably be expected to do about any of it is nothing - only to assure that for whatever influence I might have, to work to assure that it doesn't happen on my watch - secure in the knowledge that regardless of my success or failure, some revisionist will come along in the future and decide that I was wrong. You don't owe me personally anything, and you strike me as a responsible and honorable person - and one who adheres to whatever rules are in place to get certain things done. With that in mind, you DO own a part of this society, since you ARE a part of this society - but society, like ecology, weather, morals, mores, languages, land masses, and seascapes is constatntly changing based on things situational, and I don't feel that condemning everything that follows a questionable act that occurred in the past, when all these things were not as they are today is either useful or necessary. I think we can agree that lots of thigns are regrettable, but lacking time machines the ONLY thing we can do is work towards not permitting recurrence. As long as we have people we'll have those who are immoral by the standards of their times, those who are avaricions, murderous, honorable, deceitful, and just all around horses asses. Eventually they get replaced by something else. I'm not going to break my head over what was - it hurts and does nothing - but I will expend efforts in directing a future in whatever way I can. I hope this doesn't come off as a personal attack, for it si not so intended. For now, I'll shut up. bob --- AdeptXBBS v1.11z (FREEWare/2) * Origin: CopShop AdeptXBBS (1:261/3050) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3E00014 Date: 03/05/98 From: ABEL GARC Time: 12:39am \/To: RD THOMPSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Teenage Smoking RT> AG>RT> http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman RT> AG>RT> http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman RT> AG>RT> AG>BS> Have you ever heard of some teenager getting RT> AG>RT> AG>BS>busted for underage smo RT> AG>RT> AG>BS> as of yet? RT> AG>RT> AG>Nope, One reason is it is stupied to cut them down RT> AG>RT> AG>like that it aint the RT> AG>RT> AG>teenagers fault they smoke it's the Cigeritte company's fault. RT> AG>RT> RT> AG>RT> Bull. That teenager was *not* addicted when he/she started. People RT> AG>RT> need to assume responsibility for their actions. RT> AG> RT> AG>Yes they weren't addicted when that teenager started. It was either RT> AG>pier-pressure the companys. PARENTS.......It's a good think i'm not RT> AG>one yet. RT> RT> If you can't see people needing to assume responsibility for their own RT> actions, you are not ready to be one yet. RT> RT> AG>I started off of parents there was no stoping me no matter what ID law c RT> AG>our same old excuse i forgot my ID RT> RT> I don't know just what this means. I'm just telling you how Teens get em no matter what the cause or effect there's no stopping em.....We should start off with one of our major factors right know Drugs....then move on.....not all at the same time.. pnker Sm & -=p.s. AFFAIR=- --- GEcho 1.02+ * Origin: The Liberators' Corner - 209-835-4852 (1:208/402) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3E00015 Date: 03/04/98 From: BLAKE BOWERS Time: 07:15pm \/To: SCOTT MCQUILKIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Police Recruits On (03 Mar 98) Scott McQuilkin wrote to Rich Griebel... SM> Charles Hunter said to Rich Griebel CH> The fact that the investigation is exhaustive is a good thing. SM> Yes..it is. SM> Charles Hunter would never pass! Personal opinion mode on.... Was this a flame on purpose? I daresay, with your employment history, you would certainly not do real well yourself..... --- PPoint 1.98 * Origin: KD4RME, The POINT of it all.... (1:284/99.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3E00016 Date: 03/03/98 From: RON TAYLOR Time: 08:03am \/To: TOM RIGHTMER (Read 1 times) Subj: Humane Society > RW> street animals. Second, if some one doesn't pick up a stray the > RW> stray is "put down". TR>Rich, I really didn't mean to take the comparison this far. I wonder f >there really is someone who would agree with like treatment between humans >and animals? Isn't that basically what abortion is? --- * QMPro 1.02 42-7029 * >ov++h+n AC*hanks for hanging up, dear. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: CrimeBytes:Take A MegaByte Out Of Crime! 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