--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3300025 Date: 02/27/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 08:48am \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Masons and LEOS CH> Now, it is no secret that many LEOS in the United States are Masons; CH> and I wonder if anyone has any thoughts as to what effect this CH> organization (Masons) has on proper law enforcement in the United CH> States? This is an interesting question, one that I've really never thought about before. Our previous Chief of Police was a Mason, but our current Chief of Police is not a Mason. I'm not a Mason, and I've never been pushed or encouraged to become one by any member of my department. I thought about becoming a Mason several times in the past because of the many good things they do. Maybe some other LEOs will have a different perception, but I've simply had the thought they were a great organization which did many good things in the community. Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... Don't open the darkroom door; it lets all the dark out. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3300026 Date: 02/27/98 From: JIM WESTBROOK Time: 11:46am \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Masons and LEOS Answering a msg of , from Charles Hunter to All: =>Now, it is no secret that many LEOS in the United States are Masons; =>and I wonder if anyone has any thoughts as to what effect this =>organization (Masons) has on proper law enforcement in the United =>States? The same logic(?) could be applied to any ethnic group, service organization or even specific religious sect. To illustrate, simply substitute the following list (one at a time) for the word "Masons" in your question. Latin Americans Blacks Jews Rotarians Lions Shriners Lutherans Methodists Catholics What you then see is prejudice in action. So is the original. Jim --- GoldED 2.40.P0623+ * Origin: JimNet - Austin, TX (512)837-0953 (1:382/29) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3300027 Date: 02/27/98 From: SCOTT MCQUILKIN Time: 11:35am \/To: STEVE AMBROSINI (Read 1 times) Subj: USE OF THIS ECHO Charles Hunter said to Steve Ambrosini About: USE OF THIS ECHO Dated: 02-26-98 11:50hrs * D.A.R.E., Is Life! SA>Well, this all depends on which side of the badge you are on. A few months >ago, I brought this conference on and gave access to my callers. They idn' >like the "Cops good, everyone else bad" attitudes. Some LEOs here even ame >down very harsh on one of my callers. She sent me a copy of the post. At >first I thought it was a joke, then I realized it was the old Officers VS >Civiliansattitude that seems to be so prevalent into he field of law >enforcement. CH> I honestly don't know that I've seen that kind of activity on this CH> conference. I doubt that either the moderator or co moderator would CH> tolerate it. This has occurred before, I've seen it, but, it went unnoticed by some of ya'll and I wasn't gonna jump in... Just to point out an Error. _ Professional Security Agent <=> Commissioned State of Ohio; Notary Public eMAIL: s.charles@neopc.org -*- P.O. Box 1523 * Elyria, Ohio 44036-1523 --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: NorthEast Ohio PC User Group BBS (1:157/427) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3300028 Date: 02/27/98 From: CHRISTOPHER COYNE Time: 01:57pm \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Masons and LEOS On Thu 26-Feb-1998 11:54p, Charles Hunter wrote: CH> Here's what I hope will be an interesting topic for discussion. While CH> perusing the Freemason conference, I read some posts by Masons CH> complaining about a scandal going on in England where the British CH> Parlament has ordered the head of the English Freemasons to provide a CH> list of all British Police Officers who are Masons. Apparantly there CH> was/is a bit of corruption over there and the adhesive to the CH> conspiracy is membership in the Masons. CH> Now, it is no secret that many LEOS in the United States are Masons; CH> and I wonder if anyone has any thoughts as to what effect this CH> organization (Masons) has on proper law enforcement in the United CH> States? Probably none. I've dealt with some freemasons and had nothing with good dealings with them. Actually pretty decent people. Peace. --- CNet/3 * Origin: [FidoNet] Christian \o/ Retreat * Flower Mound, TX * (1:124/3266) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3300029 Date: 02/27/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 08:48am \/To: NEAL GODFREY (Read 1 times) Subj: nASHVILLE tn OPENINGS do you have interrnet access? --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3300030 Date: 02/27/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 08:52am \/To: TOM RIGHTMER (Read 1 times) Subj: Humane Society I agree to a point, but that pup doesn't hunt well once you bring up pride and personal responsibility of each individual for their own well being. I do not buy into the "cradle to grave" theory, never have, never will. Nashville is a magnet for these type people, far more than any other jurisdiction I have ever worked. Homeless people abound and after one came near killing me with a knife during a burglary apprehension I lost much of my sympsathy. Much direct work with hem showed me that masny of them are quite capable of a productibe and successful life but choose not to. Unfortunately for my fellow, a "soft hand takedown, slightly modified, worked extremely well in reactive mode after a foot chase after he unexpectedly wheeled on me. His "death rattle" when we got him up to cuff him was unexpected. A quick exam disclosed a butcher knife rntered his chest and potruded out his back. This gem was also carrying one more knife commando style in a chest harness. He was found to be a Joliett escapee at large for several years. Next time you hear the slogasn "you meet he nicest people around trains", keep this story in mind. And yes, what you are trained to expect after an incident where you are involved in a line of duty death such as this or shooting someone is VERY accurate. And yes, flashbacks occassionally haunt as well as other ptrdicted things but mostly I avoid the issue and try to concentrate on more pleasurable experiences. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3300031 Date: 02/27/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 09:10am \/To: NEAL GODFREY (Read 1 times) Subj: nASHVILLE tn OPENINGS Metro has classes for trainees such as you ask and also does lateral entriy classes. Even experienced PO go through their school. I know NYC cops caught in crunch in 89 who are now homicide detectives and Chicago cops that work here. Metro is truly cosmopolitan with a diverse ethnic and regional population. No state income tax no lottery, high housing costs, high sales tax at 8.5 or so. Music industry is being complmented by medical and ins corps. for a broader tax base. Mayer is from Taxavhessetts and has increased taxes already 2x and is hittinng on 3d now. Public schools are a mess due to a fedral mandated crosstown bussing system. If you can choose where you live you can find nice areas. It's worth paying the price for the neighborhood --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3300032 Date: 02/27/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 09:20am \/To: TOM RIGHTMER (Read 1 times) Subj: Progress Washington Co was that way. Although the richest county in IL due to oil, they paid poorly. Was treated like a person by all, population was German and Polish farmers with a work ethic and little racial diversity. 352? square miles of country, $900 a month and farmers leaving baskets of corn andd maters in drive. Lived on thepast the end of the hard road and was end of electricity. My preferable way of living but not a very viable place to bring up kids for much more than a farming life.It would have been selfish of me to stay there but it kept the wolves away from the door. Some small 4 wheeler pursuits , dv and a couble of drug inv, not even a lot of thefts. The experience was valuable n that for that year I experienced peace and no life fights" then up to chicago. btw used uniforms and own weapons. Co supplied car andstarted and ended shhift at home and handled night callout...very rare. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3300033 Date: 02/27/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 09:32am \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Roll Call Charles, some people love to sue, unfortunately your argument has merit. In 18 years I had thousands of hours of all sorts of training from hazmat to dv, and found the best way to enforce law fairly was to start by knowing and understanding it, then throwing in the little polish by use of intelligernt discretion/common sennbse, and humanity, along with humor.. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F3300034 Date: 02/27/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 09:37am \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Roll Call plain old pc, no laptop yet, probably ever.I'lllook into situation. Thanks --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30)