--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F2U00006 Date: 02/23/98 From: EARL NEWSOM Time: 06:40am \/To: BLAINE SULLIVAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Teenage Smoking BS>Have you ever heard of some teenager getting busted for underage smoking BS>as of yet? To those of you who are not so blessed as to be Texians: Texas has passed a new law which became effective on January first prohibiting the possession of tobacco products, including smokeless tobacco, by persons under the age of eighteen. Fines are graduated and there is a required Tobacco Education class. Failure to take the required class can result in suspension of drivers license (as can the failure to take an alcohol awareness course in the case of Minor In Possession of Alcohol). Blaine: I haven't seen a case of it yet in my immediate area. None have come before the Justice Court where I office. Remember, it doesn't require smoking, only possession of tobacco products. The Ole Sarge OLXWin 1.00b Remember when safe sex was not getting caught in the act. --- ProBoard v2.16 [Reg] * Origin: Computer Connection BBS <> Irving, TX USA (1:124/7008) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F2U00007 Date: 02/23/98 From: EARL NEWSOM Time: 06:40am \/To: TOM RIGHTMER (Read 1 times) Subj: Roll Call TR>I understand this has been done before, but it has probably been some time TR>ago. If you are a peace officer, active or retired, please respond with a TR>message about yourself, whatever you feel comfortable with. I'm sure that all TR>will understand a no response from someone who is working undercover or as TR>some other reason to remain covert. I think this information will be seful TR>to someone who may want to ask a question but address the question to an TR>officer who lives in their part of the country. Thanks in advance to all TR>officers who respond to this roll call. TR>Tom Rightmer, Lawton, Oklahoma - City Police Officer - 21+ years TR> Active - Could retire any second Earl Newsom, Collin County, Texas (BTW, married to an Okie), 22 years with Dallas Police Department (14 as a supervisor) (Actually that isn't true, it was 21 years, nine months, and four days but who was counting), 4 1/2 years with Wylie Police Department (as a supervisor), fourteen months as an unpaid officer with Lavon P.D. (as a supervisor), and over 2 1/2 years with Collin County, Precinct Two, as Chief Deputy Constable. Still active and hope I never have to retire. The Ole Sarge OLXWin 1.00b Resistance Is Useless! (If < 1 ohm) --- ProBoard v2.16 [Reg] * Origin: Computer Connection BBS <> Irving, TX USA (1:124/7008) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F2U00008 Date: 02/23/98 From: EARL NEWSOM Time: 06:40am \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: We Need Bounty Hunters Charles, For convenience (read that laziness) I am combining both of your messages into this one. CH>EN>PI's have no special arrest powers or standing under Texas law, Shawn. CH> >Who is Gary Lockman? CH>EN>The Ole Sarge CH>What he is referring to is an incident where a bounty hunter was CH>arrested in Texas for apprehending a bail jumper. Apparantly some CH>Texas law requires the bounty hunter to be a P.I. or a bondsman. Since writing this I have found out who Gary Lockman is (actually, I think it is Lachman). He is a deputy with Dallas S.O. CID. Saw him on TV one morning after issuing a warrant for the two bounty hunters that he had arrested in one case previously. I haven't had time to fully research the question but in the past there was no law requiring that a bounty hunter be a P.I. and when I was a supervisor in the jail many of them were simply crooks who were working down their own bond with a bonding company. At any rate, being a P.I. doesn't give one any standing beyond that of any other citizen in most cases. There is a Texas law in the Code of Criminal Procedure which limits arrests where an affidavit to go off bond has been granted to a peace officer, security officer or P.I. licensed in Texas. In cases where there is a failure to appear and a warrant is issued any person should be able to take the offender into custody. CH>EN>There is no such law. There are, and have been, restrictions on CH> >misdemeanor arrests for years and they are using them in some cases CH> >against bounty hunters from what I have been reading lately. CH>Could you elaborate on that, Earl? What I was referring to in this message was what most people refer to as "Citizens Arrest". In Texas arrest powers are closely controlled by statute. In most cases (there are a couple of exceptions, the most notable being to prevent the consequences of theft) only a peace officer may make an arrest for a misdemeanor offense (without a warrant) and then under limited conditions. The little I know of the two cases these two people are involved in seem to show that one who is a former Ft. Worth police officer, who was fired or resigned under a cloud involving, I believe, family violence, took a person into custody before the affidavit to go off bond was even filed. In the second case this same ex-officer and a P.I. broke down a door while saying they were police officers and waving pistols around to arrest a person whose bond had been revoked. Seems neither was licensed to carry a pistol and saying they were police officers is a felony. Should be an interesting case as it develops. The Ole Sarge OLXWin 1.00b Schizophrenia beats dining alone. -Unknown --- ProBoard v2.16 [Reg] * Origin: Computer Connection BBS <> Irving, TX USA (1:124/7008) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F2U00009 Date: 02/24/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 09:15am \/To: MIKE MCCANN (Read 1 times) Subj: Roll Call MM> Possibly the most interesting breed MM> of PO is the one man army, the sole officer in a small city who fields MM> every call, often w/o checking out, many times wioth inadequate radio MM> and backup. I know a few of these guys. Many of them work with their own equipment, for low pay, and almost no benefits. Some do use this as a stepping stone to better law enforcement jobs, but I know others who are quite happy and work in a situation like this for years. I guess it takes all kinds of folks to make law enforcement work. Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... Batteries not included. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F2U00010 Date: 02/24/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 09:15am \/To: DON BOX (Read 1 times) Subj: The Norm DB> I might be a social renegade, and have even been accused of being an DB> Anarchist (kinda like the term) but still believe in the basics. I think there are too many people who are comfortable, floating along in the norm, and many of them don't even think very often. Then along comes a guy like you who makes them think. Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... Subliminal: Send me $1000 in small, unmarked bills. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F2U00011 Date: 02/24/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 06:39am \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: zero tolerance Charles, for some reason I have seen some of your messages several times. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F2U00012 Date: 02/24/98 From: MIKE MCCANN Time: 06:58am \/To: JOHN F DAVIS (Read 1 times) Subj: zero tolerance My wife has been a substite reacher for 20 years, the last 10 in TN as a "permanent Sub" in Nashville Metro Public schools and was strongly considered for permanent placement in ths "alternativeschool system" where transgressors of the zt policies go when they get expelled for whatever reason and did her Masters intern teaching full time at one.She has her Masters in Counselling now and the stporu you gave about glicose tablet is just one of many similar situations that lack intelligent application in fact of coomon sense that can and does punish "innocent people" with max sentences for petty infractions of zt. Sorry ZT in some applications is uncalled for. In this age of com,puterization thesekids will be branded forever... glicose=coke, nail clipper=gun and so on. These recordswill not disappear. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: UltraTech - Nashville, TN (615)356-0453 {V.34/V.FC} (1:116/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F2U00013 Date: 02/24/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 02:00pm \/To: RICH GRIEBEL (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: Felony Vehicle Stops RG>5 of them, all with their little video cameras in my face. Luckily I >had a Lieutenant to run interference for us. We have to be nice to >them, they regularly video tape scenes for us and give us the tape. Make >reconstruction easier. Yes, the press can be useful. CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * Palindromic taglines are for roferas enilgat cimordnilap --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Information Services 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F2U00014 Date: 02/24/98 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 02:00pm \/To: JOHN F DAVIS (Read 1 times) Subj: zero tolerance JF>Personally, In the case of the gluco-tab, I'd have forced the suspension >of the adminstration of the school for passing out the very same "Drug" >in the faculity coffee lounge (Sugar, as put in coffee) In tablet form, how could that student KNOW that it was in fact only sugar? I don't think students should be giving other students any substances at all. CHARLES HUNTER * 1st 2.00 #9124 * Quod erat demonstrandum y'all. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Information Services 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F2U00015 Date: 02/24/98 From: TOM RIGHTMER Time: 05:01pm \/To: EARL NEWSOM (Read 1 times) Subj: Roll Call EN> Earl Newsom, Collin County, Texas (BTW, married to an Okie), 22 years EN> with Dallas Police Department (14 as a supervisor) (Actually that EN> isn't true, it was 21 years, nine months, and four days but who was EN> counting), 4 1/2 years with Wylie Police Department (as a supervisor), EN> fourteen months as an unpaid officer with Lavon P.D. (as a supervisor), EN> and over 2 1/2 years with Collin County, Precinct Two, as Chief Deputy EN> Constable. Still active and hope I never have to retire. Earl, did I count right, over 30 years in law enforcement and still going strong? I bet that your Okie wife will take part of the credit for your success and longevity. It's great to hear someone active with over 30 years of service say that they love the profession. I wish you 30 more great years in law enforcement! When you hit 50 years of service, you ought to at least have two of those big Texas BEERS! Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate ... The woman cries before the wedding; the man afterward. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: 357 MAGNUM *Lawton, OK* 405-536-5032 (1:385/20)