--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F1L00027 Date: 01/15/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 08:16pm \/To: TOM RIGHTMER (Read 1 times) Subj: Censorship Hi Tom, as you were just saying about Censorship.... TR> Let's try a humorous example first and see if it fits your TR> standard. You receive a brochure labeled, "Cannibal Weekend for two, TR> make your reservations early and eat the person of your choice." TR> "Please see the attached photos of people who will be eaten this TR> weekend and make a carefull selection." I wonder if advertising of TR> this nature would represent a clear and present immediate danger for TR> those who are scheduled to be eaten. Some might think this is an TR> outlandish example, but I bet we could find some perverts who would TR> pay for this weekend. They might call the spot "Dammer's Getaway." TR> As long as the eaters and eatees were all consenting adults, would you have a problem with it? Perhaps the eatees are using this as a form of suicide and it fits their religion. TR> Let's take a couple of other examples and see if they work. How TR> about the open commercial availability of kiddy porn? Could the TR> demand for such material cause the victimization of children and TR> represent a clear and present immediate danger? I don't consider children (even though they are 24 years old per HCI) to be consenting adults. The recruiting, filming and distribution would all have to be a crime. TR> How about the open TR> commercial availability of " snuff films?" Same question. More difficult. One would assume that at least one of the participants was not a consenter. TR> Using your standard, the information about how to poison a public TR> or private water supply would obviously represent a clear and TR> present immediate danger, so this information would be censored and TR> be illegal. No, the placement of it at the local watering hole would be, IMHO. RD sandman@azstarnet.com - A newspaper ISP - Arizona Daily Star sandman@brassroots.org - A no compromise gun rights organization. http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Desk: A very large wastebasket with drawers. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F1L00028 Date: 01/15/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 06:16pm \/To: TODD JASPERS (Read 1 times) Subj: Censorship Hi Todd, as you were just saying about Censorship.... TJ> -> I think that we need to punish the abusers of information, not the TJ> -> producers of it. If a book tells how to build a bomb and someone TJ> -> does it, killing other people, the guilty party is the one who TJ> -> abused the information by building the bomb and using it in an TJ> -> illegal manner. TJ> . TJ> . TJ> I agree, many people tend to place the blame in the wrong place. TJ> Sure that guy writing the bomb book may be wierd... but.. its his TJ> right by the constitution to free speech. Its the person who did TJ> the killing who is at fault. Just like something similar that TJ> happened.... if any of you are car enthusiasts... you may know of TJ> something called "Quick Sliver" by Armor All, this stuff is REALLY TJ> awsome stuff used for cleaning car rims. The stuff is perfect, but TJ> obviously poisonous. But, some STUPID 7 year old drank a whole TJ> bottle of that stuff in Canada... so of course.. whose fault is it? TJ> NOOOOOOOOOO its not the parents fault or the childs fault.. its TJ> Armor All's fault.. of course... so they no longer sell that TJ> product because the woman sued. Just like that Mc. Donalds thing... TJ> stupid as S**T!!!! This woman spilled hot coffee on herself in her TJ> own car.. after being away from Mikcy D's for about 4 minutes.. she TJ> burned herself and sued Mc. Donalds for 3 million dollars. What is TJ> this world comming to? No, she didn't. She sued for medical recovery. Probably would have been about 200,000. McDonald's got a hair up their butt and went to court thinking that they had a slam dunk. The jury awarded her those damages, partially due to McDonald's attitude toward the common man. RD sandman@azstarnet.com - A newspaper ISP - Arizona Daily Star sandman@brassroots.org - A no compromise gun rights organization. http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Birthdays are significant. Without them you're dead. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F1L00029 Date: 01/15/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 06:18pm \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Choices... Hi Charles, as you were just saying about Choices....... CH> CH> Okay,...arguendo only, the question now seems to be posited should CH> CH> SOMEONE have the power, authority to decide (besides GOD). Now CH> CH> YOU say it is the mother. What if the government says it is someone CH> CH> else? For instance the government? Once you issue that power, it's CH> CH> just a matter of time until someone else decides WHO will wield that CH> CH> power. CH> CH> RT>What power are you talking about? The laws limit what can happen, not CH> >allow it. Without the law, everything is allowable. CH> CH> And the government enacts the laws. And, in this modern age they CH> do it without much regard for what the citizens want. I take it that you have no faith in the Constitutional process of representative democracy. RD sandman@azstarnet.com - A newspaper ISP - Arizona Daily Star sandman@brassroots.org - A no compromise gun rights organization. http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X School n. A building with four walls, and tomorrow inside. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F1L00030 Date: 01/15/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 07:08pm \/To: RICH GRIEBEL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Home Security Hi RICH, as you were just saying about Re: Home Security.... RG> RT> I want everyone to be judged the same (if that is possible). That RG> RT> means that the same laws apply to me that apply to law enforcement and RG> RT> vice versa. I cannot speak for the local policies that are set by RG> RT> one's employer whether private or public. RG> RG> People held to be "professionals" are always held to a RG> higher standard, both in RG> court and in the public eye. Joe Citizen who happens upon an RG> accident, tries to help a dying victim and fails, or aids, RG> unintentionally, in the death of the victim is often considered a RG> "Hero" for doing whatever he could. However, the situation changes RG> if the party is an EMT, Nurse or Doctor. I understand what you are saying and there are very narrow differences. I was making a general statement. BTW, as you mentioned, EMT, nurse or doctor is held to a different standard under *those* conditions. They should not be held to a different standard under other conditions. RG> Same goes if you sit in court and watch how a Judge handles people RG> defending themselves vs. Attorney's defending them. They tend to RG> give the individual citizen some latitude since they aren't RG> professionals, while they hammer the Attorney's for procedural RG> errors. Difference in expectation. The judge just wants to make sure that the money spent on that law college education wasn't *all* spent on beer and wild parties. RG> When I hire a plumber, he'd better be doing the job right, or RG> he'll hear from me. If my neighbor comes over and offers to help me RG> fix the problem, then I have to realize that I'm taking my chances RG> instead of calling a professional. RG> RG> Way life goes... Yep, but do you think that the law in general should treat your plumber differently than your neighbor? RD sandman@azstarnet.com - A newspaper ISP - Arizona Daily Star sandman@brassroots.org - A no compromise gun rights organization. http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Cats: Great for earmuffs, tiny throw rugs, and slippers. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F1L00031 Date: 01/15/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 07:04pm \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Home Security Hi Charles, as you were just saying about Re: Home Security.... CH> RT>I want everyone to be judged the same (if that is possible). That CH> >means that the same laws apply to me that apply to law enforcement and CH> >vice versa. I cannot speak for the local policies that are set by CH> >one's employer whether private or public. CH> That really would not be fair to LEOS. The incidents you get CH> involved in as a private citizen are what fate (and perhaps your own CH> actions) has dealt you in the game of life. You are there and CH> reacting for your own benefit. On the other hand, a LEO is CH> responding as a public servant, in the interest of public safety. CH> The number of incidents that he must respond to and place himself CH> in danger to resolve are very much more numerous than what the CH> private citizen gets involved in; and the LEO is not there for his CH> personal interests. I probably misstated what I meant. What I was trying to say is that, IMHO, law enforcement is not above the law. I feel that most of the abuses are on the federal level, but the thought applies all the way down the line. If a drug bust is attempted and the wrong house is busted and someone gets killed, I damn well don't think that law enforcement should have the ability to just walk away from it, saying excuse me, we're sorry. BTW, if I am involved in a shootout, I am not there for my personal interests, either. :^) RD sandman@azstarnet.com - A newspaper ISP - Arizona Daily Star sandman@brassroots.org - A no compromise gun rights organization. http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X I don't know what apathy is and really don't give a damn. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F1L00032 Date: 01/15/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 07:18pm \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Mentorship Hi Rich, as you were just saying about Re: Mentorship.... RW> RT> him. He was a very dynamic speaker and could have been a RW> RT> spoke to the fears and prejudices of many of the people by RW> RT> playing off the hatred of the Jews and the fact that most RW> RT> people want to feel superior to someone else. People also RW> RT> need to have a reason (other than themselves) why they are RW> RT> not rich and successful. RW> RW> Hum. . .You know if you took the phrase "of the Jews" RW> out or replaced the "Jews" to "rich" you could very RW> well be describing Bill Clinton or the democratic RW> party. RW> RW> Now that has got to make you think! Or the Republican party if you substitute the words "welfare recipient". I quess everybody needs somebody. :^) RD sandman@azstarnet.com - A newspaper ISP - Arizona Daily Star sandman@brassroots.org - A no compromise gun rights organization. http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be hap --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F1L00033 Date: 01/16/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 05:41pm \/To: PAUL HARNEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Moderator change Hi Paul, as you were just saying about Moderator change.... PH> SO, with that in mind, some time ago I stated that I was on PH> a quest for a new moderator for this conferece. PH> PH> Tom Rightmer has stated that he will be willing to take up the PH> cause. He is an excellent candidate. We have differed in opinions (sometimes 180 degrees) but he has always seemed fair or willing to listen. Consider this a vote for. RD sandman@azstarnet.com - A newspaper ISP - Arizona Daily Star sandman@brassroots.org - A no compromise gun rights organization. http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Ever stop to think.......and forget to start again? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F1L00034 Date: 01/16/98 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 06:35pm \/To: CHARLES HUNTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Censorship Hi Charles, as you were just saying about Censorship.... CH> TR>supply. I would maintain that the people should have the right of self CH> >preservation. Take that same sign about how to poison CH> >the water and put it o CH> >public property by a major water supply. Would we or CH> >should we have to leave CH> >it there because of free speech issues? I don't think so. If you can CH> >logically answer this question, "no", many other circumstances would e CH> >answered in the same manner. Just food for thought and discussion. CH> CH> Placing the sign on a public water supply certainly complicates CH> resolution of the issue. Obviously, merely creating such a sign CH> is one thing, while placing it on a public water supply is quite CH> another. And that would be the separation. Creating the sign would be freedom of speech, placing that information at the water supply for use against that specific target could be conspiracy to commit a crime. RD sandman@azstarnet.com - A newspaper ISP - Arizona Daily Star sandman@brassroots.org - A no compromise gun rights organization. http://www.azstarnet.com/~sandman ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Some days you eat the bear........some days the bear eats you... --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: DPSystem:4285 OS2-WARPED 520-290-8418 USR V.e+ (1:300/105) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F1M00000 Date: 01/17/98 From: CHRISTOPHER COYNE Time: 03:43pm \/To: RD THOMPSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Censorship RT> No, she didn't. She sued for medical recovery. Probably would have RT> been about 200,000. McDonald's got a hair up their butt and went to RT> court thinking that they had a slam dunk. The jury awarded her those RT> damages, partially due to McDonald's attitude toward the common man. I'm sorry, please understand that this reply, even though not intentional, may be baised because I am now a McD employee. What medical damage? Who of us have nopt actually burned themselfes with coffee. I've done it plenty of times including on a part I can't mention (It can be done, even with clothes on). I NEVER had to go to the hospital. That hospital BS was just that, BS. I'm sorry, but I don't think companies should be allowed to be sued because the customer didn't show common sense, but that's MY opinion. Peace. --- CNet/3 * Origin: [FidoNet] Christian \o/ Retreat * Flower Mound, TX * (1:124/3266) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 198 ASK A COP Ref: F1M00001 Date: 01/17/98 From: CHRISTOPHER COYNE Time: 03:50pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Moderator change RT> He is an excellent candidate. We have differed in opinions (sometimes RT> 180 degrees) but he has always seemed fair or willing to listen. RT> Consider this a vote for. Eh, what are you talking about. I want to be moderator!:> --- CNet/3 * Origin: [FidoNet] Christian \o/ Retreat * Flower Mound, TX * (1:124/3266)