--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 197 EMERGENCY Ref: DFN00008 Date: 11/19/96 From: TOM PATIERNO Time: 12:41am \/To: MIKE GLYNN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Unions Hey, Tom Patierno!, Mike Glynn was discussing Re: Unions with Tom Patierno : -> Hey, Mike Glynn! Remember the message about Unions? -> You said to Chris Nold on 18 Sep 96 14:24:00... -> MG> Was a member of local 82 I.A.E.P International Ass. of Em's and -> MG> Paramedics here in Boston, for a private company. I left 2 years -> MG> and they still do not have a contract drawn up yet, "Mixed emotio -> MG> this subject!" I was very active in getting the union into my co -> MG> as well... I still think that why i left 2 years ago :) MG> -> -> Could you tell me a bit about the I.A.E.P., please? I am a member MG> Im sure you can get some info from them, not sure what kind of info i MG> can tell you, since i left over 2 years ago.. MG> IAEP is located in Quincey Mass or they may have an 800 # If i come MG> accross it ill post it, but try dir. assistance for the #.. I called directory assistance in Quincey, no listing for it. Hope you can et some information... Regards, Tom Patieno --- Renegade v4-05 Exp * Origin: CT'S *OFFICIAL* North West Regional EMS BBS (1:141/1280) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 197 EMERGENCY Ref: DFN00009 Date: 11/11/96 From: STAN SMITH Time: 08:48pm \/To: JAMES NOLD (Read 1 times) Subj: EMT -> -> Hello David and Good luck.. I don't know much about becoming an EMT i -> -> you state but here in South Carolina you now have to work for an -> -> ambulance service before you can even go to EMT school.. -> -> I have been EMT for 17 years but because I don't work with a service -> -> any more I will loss my certificate this go round.. Drop down to a -> -> First Responder.. -> What a bunch of ^%$#!$%!! What about EMTs that only work in a -> hospital?? I am a Paramedic and work in the ER and have never worked for -> a service. What does the service pay knowing that you have to work for -> then to become an EMT? I bet the pay is almost as bad as it is here! well some are free.. some pay only minimum wage.. then you have county supported services that pay about 7 plus an hour plus benefits.. Just depends on how badly you want to stay an EMT..I guess.. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0GI * Origin: GCSO BBS (1:3639/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 197 EMERGENCY Ref: DFN00010 Date: 11/19/96 From: STEPHAN GASCON Time: 10:01am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Montreal EMS web site Urgences Sante, Montreal's regional EMS, has a new WEB site. It's still under construction, but is comming along nicely. For the moment it is only in French( Montreal being the second largest French-speaking city in the world after all) but i'm sure that more requests for a bilingual site comes in, the faster they will be at doing so. The address of the site si: http://www.consulan.com/urgences-sante/ As for any comments, you can e-mail at: usweb@consulan.com Stephan Gascon Ambulance Technician Urgences Sante Montreal,Quebec PS Although i work there,I am NOT posting this for them. --- * OLX 2.1 TD * Standard disclaimer: my opinion and MINE alone. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: STAT! Medical BBS - (514) 279-5145 HST/V.34 - (1:167/100.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 197 EMERGENCY Ref: DFN00011 Date: 11/19/96 From: MIKE WHOOLEY Time: 04:08pm \/To: JAMES NOLD (Read 1 times) Subj: patches I'd be interested. I have the San Francisco Paramedic Division reg and subdued patch for trade along with others. d --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: 911 Services (formerly Emer. Services bbs) (1:270/911) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 197 EMERGENCY Ref: DFN00012 Date: 11/19/96 From: MIKE WHOOLEY Time: 04:10pm \/To: JOE PATTERSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Test You reached Nor. Cal. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: 911 Services (formerly Emer. Services bbs) (1:270/911) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 197 EMERGENCY Ref: DFP00000 Date: 11/19/96 From: MIKE GLYNN Time: 04:16am \/To: TOM PATIERNO (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Unions TP>-> MG> Was a member of local 82 I.A.E.P International Ass. of Em's and TP>-> MG> Paramedics here in Boston, for a private company. I left 2 years TP>-> MG> and they still do not have a contract drawn up yet, "Mixed emotio TP>-> MG> this subject!" I was very active in getting the union into my co TP>-> MG> as well... I still think that why i left 2 years ago :) TP>MG> -> Tom its listed under N.A.G.E. sorry about that "National Association of Government Employees" (617)376-0220 Let me know how you make out. Mike Glynn --- * QMPro 1.53 * Tried the rest,now try the BEST SKYLINE BBS (617)361-1242 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: SKYLINE Boston MA(617)361-1242. Mail Feeds Available 1:101/580.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 197 EMERGENCY Ref: DFQ00000 Date: 11/18/96 From: GARY SAFFER Time: 02:59pm \/To: TOM PATIERNO (Read 1 times) Subj: Hhnk TP>GS> Lou, I actually meant that as a joke, as denoted by the emoticon TP>GS> after the comment. TP> TP>So, who called the lawyewr? Hopefully no one. Gary * CMPQwk 1.42 129 *The truth is more important than the facts. --- GEcho1.20/Pro/TriBBS * Origin: The Ham Shack, Brockton, MA 508-588-6242 (1:101/515) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 197 EMERGENCY Ref: DFS00000 Date: 11/21/96 From: JOE NICHOLSON Time: 02:01pm \/To: GARY SAFFER (Read 1 times) Subj: Hhnk -=> Quoting Gary Saffer to Tom Patierno <=- TP>So, who called the lawyewr? > GS> Hopefully no one. No one has to call a lawyer. They are low-life parasites who appear spontaneously when you least expect them. Some are classified below the one-cell amoeba genus. ... 9-1-1......your call is important to us! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: 9-1-1 FF's LEO's OSHA COMMS (619) 669-0385 (1:202/911) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 197 EMERGENCY Ref: DFV00000 Date: 11/12/96 From: GARY SAFFER Time: 06:40pm \/To: BLAKE BOWERS (Read 1 times) Subj: EXPIRATION WARNING BB> GS> Marge, if the moderator does not renew the listing for this echo BB> GS> (Emergency Medical Services) I would like to pick it up as BB> GS> moderator and keep it going. Can you please let me know how to BB> GS> do that? BB>Now, if this happens, you have my support! Well, thank you. I don't even know if Marge got the message, if there really is a problem, if the current moderator is still around, or if someone beat me to the punch. Actually, this echo doesn't seem to need a whole lot of moderation. We just need a whole lot more participation. Gary CMPQwk 1.42 129 The scenery only changes for the lead dog. --- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.4P1a * Origin: 6-200 (1:101/460) --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 2 --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 197 EMERGENCY Ref: DFV00001 Date: 11/12/96 From: GARY SAFFER Time: 06:40pm \/To: TOM PATIERNO (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: RE: RE: UNIONS TP>If advanced prehospital care doesn't have to have such advanced TP>training to do TP>any bit of good, why in the world have haospitals spent so much $$$ TP>getting helicoptors with nurses, Dr.s, etc, to respond to calls ? TP>An entire system of individuals are available to render care ASAP TP>and to the extent of the level of their training. Because it looks good? TP> Jumpin' Jehosaphat! The VeitNam war demonstrated that more TP>training in the field resulted in fewer casualties, less morbidity, TP>from potentially life- threatening wounds. Actually, what the experience of Viet Nam showed, was that getting the patient's too surgery faster resulted in higher survival rates. As a matter of fact, between 1968 and now there is not much difference in what is done in the field for combat injuries. The emphasis is still on rapid evacuation. However, that is trauma, which we all know is different than medical emergencies. Or is it? TP> Call me a cynic, but my feeling is that, as more and more HMO's TP> start putting accountability for $$$ spent on Dr.'s, nurses, and TP> hospitals, they will typically point to ways to cut the costs of TP> medical care. Noticing that the prehospital care givers are the TP> first to have the fingers pointed at them isn't surprising, but is TP> aggrevating. Gary, ever notice in an institutional setting that, as cuts start being talked about, everyone starts showing how they are indispensible, and how others are not as essential? I think that the good Dr. is reflecting on ways for his (and his colleagues) economic survival, and not necessarily on better patient care. As managed care becomes more prevalent, we are all going to have to prove our worth. However, Emergency Medicine, as a specialty seems to have more of burden than some of the other specialties. Remember, the concept of an HMO is to make Emergencies a rarity, if not extinct. Emergency care, by it's nature, is expensive, so HMOs and other managed health care organizations are going to be very critical in their look at that specialty. By extension, pre hospital EMS is going to be examined as well. It may turn out that it is cheaper to do things in the pre hospital setting, with no adverse result on the patient, or it may turn out that a lot of what we do will be judged as unneccesary. At this point, I don't think anyone knows. Gary CMPQwk 1.42 129 Apathists of the world...ahh, forget it. --- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.4P1a * Origin: 6-200 (1:101/460)