--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: FA400022 Date: 06/03/98 From: ELVIS HARGROVE Time: 11:05am \/To: ROBERT LINENWEBER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: air-lift part 1 of 3 -> even more important to aviation enthusiasts. Let's not ruin it. That's exactly what I'm trying to do, not ruin it. ^..^ Moderator AVIATION --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: BOO! Board Of Occult, Rio Grande Valley Texas (1:397/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: FA400023 Date: 06/02/98 From: RAY MARSH Time: 11:54am \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Kc-135 specs Greetings... -=> Quoting Jim Sanders to All on Kc-135 specs <=- Greetings Jim... I'm interested to know if, in your B-52 days, you always used the boom-type hose (don't know what it's called) for in-flight refuelling, or did you also use the drogue? ...from Brisbane, Australia. raymarsh@hotmail.com ... Fiat lux. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Brisbug MIS Brisbane Qld (3:640/829) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: FA400024 Date: 06/02/98 From: RAY MARSH Time: 12:15pm \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: air-lift part 1 of 3 Greetings... -=> Quoting Jim Sanders to Elvis Hargrove on air-lift part 1 of 3 <=- JS> Gail Halvorsen and Harry Halverson were both famous JS> aviators... Do you know who Harry Halverson was? He has JS> a right to fame. I had an uncle who saw that I got through JS> high school.... His first name was DORRIS (with two Rs) JS> Parents gave out strange names. The great BEVO Howard was JS> really Beverly Howard. :) I will keep the politics out. JS> Just think he should have known that Gail Halvorsen was JS> male. Could've been worse. He might've ended up being called Rodney. :-) ...from Brisbane, Australia. raymarsh@hotmail.com ... Cum grano salis. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Brisbug MIS Brisbane Qld (3:640/829) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: FA400025 Date: 06/02/98 From: RAY EDESTER Time: 09:00pm \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: News-218/All Posts Hi Jim, JS> Thanks again on the Aviation News. It seems that I am the JS> only one that reads the papers, magazines or search the net. JS> I have to get off subject or step on some toes to even get a reply. You are read more than you think! It may seem ratehr quite here as you do such a good job that most of us just shut up and listen, er, read! Keep up the good work. You are appreciated, Cheers...RE * OLX 2.2 * BBS Sysop: Person who spends money to receive abuse. --- * Origin: The Bear's Cave Titusville FL 407-383-9372 V34/VFC/H16 (1:374/73) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: FA400026 Date: 05/27/98 From: BILL WUNSCH Time: 11:12am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 0 times) Subj: Charts Greetings, Elvis! On 25 May 98, Elvis Hargrove entered the following ASCII codes for the express viewing pleasure of Bill Wunsch: ->> You told me that, once. A check at the local library turned up ->> James, Jim, Roy and T.R. (Thomas R.) but no Elvis... EH> EH> My pen name is Rob Winston, but you won't find any of my books in your EH> down-town library. Jim, was my uncle though. I was just trying to tweak your tail feathers. -==- --- GoldED/386 2.42.G0615+ * Origin: Bill's Point -=- Regina, Sask, Canada (1:140/118.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: FA400027 Date: 05/22/98 From: RAY MARSH Time: 10:34am \/To: JIM DAWSON (Read 0 times) Subj: News-210 Greetings... -=> Quoting Jim Dawson to Jim Sanders on NEWS-210 <=- JD> The B-29 mentioned at the Museum of Flight at Boeing FIeld JD> is the one that volunteers at Denver's Wings over the JD> Rockies Museu PIcked up from the BONEYARD AT China Lake JD> NAS, California, trucked it to Denver and restored it. Them JD> when Lowry closed, the USAF repo'd it and sent it to the JD> Seattle Museum of Flight. When I last viewed it at Seattle, JD> further restoration had been done. When I saw it in August 1996, I had to view it through a wire fence which prevented me from getting close to it. My other disappointment there was that there was no sign of the B47. ...from Brisbane, Australia. raymarsh@hotmail.com ... Caveat actor. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Brisbug MIS Brisbane Qld (3:640/829) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: FA400028 Date: 05/28/98 From: JIM DAWSON Time: 10:10am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 0 times) Subj: THE SEXTANT Shocking to learn that AIM no longer gives 50KW stations. At least we still can make use of them on long night time car trips. The world moves on. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: The Grotto - Arvada, CO (303) 421-7186 V.32bis (1:104/251) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: FA400029 Date: 05/27/98 From: HAL HANIG Time: 05:17pm \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: air-lift part 1 of 3 24 May 98 12:04, Jim Sanders wrote to Hal Hanig: >> knows? You might even like the job Gore is going to do for us. (G) >> BTW, he >> was in the Navy. JS> Shows how much you know of the Gore Family. He was born in D.C. JS> Educated in privates school in DC and college in Ivy league. JS> Was going to Vanderbilt divinity school to avoid the draft You know that for a fact, of course. He couldn't possibly have been thinking about entering the ministry at that point? I'll be the first to admit that I haven't the foggiest idea of his purpose in entering Vanderbilt at that point. Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us with a few facts, as differentiated from your opinions. JS> when "Papa" Gore decided his career need some military service. Didn't you leave out something here? Can I assume that he entered some military program or other, or was he shanghaied into the service? JS> He was ARMY reporter for a military newspaper in Saigon. I stand corrected. I mistakenly thought he had been in the Navy. But that's alright, because the Army was also one of the military services in those days, if I'm not mistaken. Are you suggesting that Saigon was always a fire-free zone in those days? Wasn't it a wee bit more hazardous than the service performed by one of our recent former Vice-Presidents, whose valorous performance with the Indiana National Guard didn't even get him out of the country? Did you put him down, too, at the time all of that became public? JS> Yet he calls himself a Tennessean... Why not? He has as much right to call himself a Tennessean as Pres. Bush has to claim to be a Texan, or President Reagan to call himself a Californian. JS> I respect the office of president. I just do not respect JS> the man holding it. Your constant parenthetical remarks have made that abundantly clear. But why do you persist in sharing your vitriol with us when most of the readers on this echo are interested in aviation and/or flying matters? Or am I in the wrong place? Hal --- GoldED/386 2.50+ * Origin: ** The Wind Tunnel * Topsail Beach, NC ** (1:379/41.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: FA400030 Date: 05/27/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 11:45am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: News-225 No survivors expected in Mongolian plane crash ULAN BATOR - May 27, 1998 07:44 a.m. EDT - A Mongolian airliner carrying 28 people, including 12 children, slammed into a snow- covered mountain and all those on board were feared dead, a government official said on Wednesday. Rescue workers who landed by helicopter near the wreckage of the Mongolian Airlines plane, which disappeared on Tuesday, had found bodies, said Oyundari Tsagaan, an official in the prime minister's office. "There's a very low probability of anybody being alive," she told Reuters. The Chinese-built Yun-12 aircraft is designed to carry 19 passengers and crew, according to its manufacturer. It was the second fatal crash of a Yun-12 in Mongolia in a year. Tsagaan said the plane had broken up on impact, but she denied it was overloaded. "The plane had a normal load," she said. The twin-engine propeller plane took off from Mongolia's second city of Erdenet at 9:17 a.m. (0217 GMT) on a 2-1/2 hour flight to Zavkhan province. It lost contact 13 minutes later, a traffic control official at Ulan Bator airport said. On board were 14 adult passengers, 12 children, a pilot and co-pilot. Some of the children were on their way home to the countryside for the summer holidays from Erdenet, where they attended school, Tsagaan said. Erdenet is 440 kilometers (275 miles) northwest of the Mongolian capital Ulan Bator. Three children from one family were thought to have perished, Tsagaan said. It was not immediately clear whether they were traveling alone or with their parents. Seven children were between the ages of one and five while five others ranged in age from six to 16, according to an official with a government commission that was coordinating rescue efforts. The crash site was 2,800 meters (9,200 feet) above sea level on a barren stretch of rocky mountain, the commission official said. Another commission official, Bairaa Natsagdorjiin, said it was not clear whether the plane was equipped with a "black box" recorder that might reveal the cause of the crash. The Yun-12 that crashed last June did not have a "black box" recorder. Eight people were killed and four survived that crash, apparently caused by wind shear while the plane was on its final approach to an airport in the Gobi desert. China has sold a total of six Yun-12 aircraft to Mongolia, according to an official with the Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corp. But Mongolian officials put the number at five. The search commission is headed by Agriculture and Industry minister Noroviin Altankhuyag. ------------------------------------------------------------------- USAF Reserve General and command pilot near death Former Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater, the conservative Republican who ran unsuccessfully against Lyndon Johnson for the presidency in 1964, is in declining health and near death, the Tribune of Mesa, Arizona, reported Wednesday. The newspaper, citing sources close to the family, said Goldwater, 89, has been in poor health for months. In 1996, Goldwater suffered a stroke that damaged the part of his brain that controls memory and personality.