--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F4200033 Date: 04/01/98 From: JOHN FAERBER Time: 08:59pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: New Seatbelt Rule What reaction do the rest of you have about the new seatbelt rule? My feeling is that you should be able to take it off if you so desire, but if a person is injured as a result, then they cannot sue for damages. Would this seem to be a fair rule? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: * MacSavvy OS/2 BBS * Dallas, Texas * 972-250-4479 * (1:124/1208) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F4300000 Date: 04/01/98 From: ROBERT LINENWEBER Time: 12:38am \/To: RON WILDES (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: winging it In a message to Robert Linenweber <03-27-98 17:49> Ron Wildes wrote: RW> fidoless. Has the FAA-FSDO-15 BBS reinstalled an off line reader RW> yet? If so I'll have to sign back up. Thanks Greetings Ron. I'm afraid I couldn't begin to answer that. To be completely honest, I don't even know enough to understand the question. Hopefully one of our more knowledgeable participants will be able to address your question. . ... This BBS has achieved Air Superiority! --- QuickBBS 2.81 Ovr * Origin: FAA ASO-FSDO-15 BBS / Orlando, Florida (1:363/275) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F4300001 Date: 04/01/98 From: ROBERT LINENWEBER Time: 12:46am \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: news-896 In a message to Bill Wunsch <03-28-98 12:44> Jim Sanders wrote: JS> It was later balanced to 35 for all. Five of my 30 1/2 were to a JS> place called Ploesti.. You only hear of the one great screwed mission JS> there and little of the other 20 missions flown by the 15th Air JS> Force. A total of 223 aircraft were lost on those 20 missions. Jim, I know this is a shot in a thousand, but do you remember a pilot named aton? Bob Linenweber ... Conclusion...the place where you got tired of thinking! --- QuickBBS 2.81 Ovr * Origin: FAA ASO-FSDO-15 BBS / Orlando, Florida (1:363/275) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F4300002 Date: 04/01/98 From: BILL WUNSCH Time: 09:54pm \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Tarmac Greetings, Jim! On 01 Feb 98, Jim Sanders entered the following ASCII codes for the express viewing pleasure of All: JS> I often wonder why the news media continues to use the archaic JS> term "tarmac" when writing of airfield locations or areas. Seems to be a common term in newspapers around here. It is used when referring to any hard surfaced area. Perhaps they don't have access to go onto the airfield and see if the area they are commenting on is concrete (usually called cement (my pet peeve - you use cement to make concrete, the finished product is not "a cement walk", it is concrete), asphalt, or a new layer of asphalt over an old concrete base. -==- --- GoldED/386 2.42.G0615+ * Origin: Bill's Point -=- Regina, Sask, Canada (1:140/118.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F4300003 Date: 04/01/98 From: BILL WUNSCH Time: 10:07pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Dogs Greetings, All! This story is supposed to be based on fact. It was third hand, when I got, but is sounds like it could have happened. Seems a Federal Gov't jet from Ottawa made a trip to Regina. After dropping of some important?? people at the terminal, the pilot taxied to the parking area and shut down. After straighting up the cabin (that is the pilot's job, isn't it?) and putting away manuals, he became a bit concerned about his safety when it was time to leave the aircraft. He fired up the radio and called the tower. Pilot: "The aircraft is surrounded by wild dogs." Tower: "Do they have short tails?" Pilot: "Yes". Tower: "Do they have long ears?" Pilot: "Yes" Tower: "Around here, we call those rabbits." -==- --- GoldED/386 2.42.G0615+ * Origin: Bill's Point -=- Regina, Sask, Canada (1:140/118.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F4300004 Date: 03/30/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 04:38pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: News-114.txt Pilot "tied up unruly widow with dog lead" By John Hiscock in Los Angeles A WEALTHY widow has been charged with interfering with the crew of an airliner after an altercation in the first-class cabin involving her dog. Marcelle Becker, who is suing the airline, claims that the pilot tied her up with the dog's lead and that the 8lb Maltese, named Dom Perignon, died a few weeks later of injuries and stress suffered during the scuffle. A federal grand jury in Los Angeles heard that her actions posed a serious threat to the other people on board the American Airlines flight from New York to Los Angeles in July 1995. A lawyer for the airline said: "At one point, she threatened to open the hatch door and break a window, threatening to crash the aircraft and all on board." Mrs Becker, the widow of a Beverly Hills insurance salesman, faces up to 20 years in jail if convicted. She contended that the crew refused to let her place a carrier containing Dom Perignon on the seat beside her. She said that, although she had bought the dog a first-class ticket, a flight attendant pushed the carrier under the seat and kicked it. She cried out: "How dare you hurt my baby?" The dog escaped, a scuffle broke out and the pilot tied her up with Dom Perignon's leash, she alleged. === --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F4300005 Date: 03/31/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 11:04am \/To: MIKE HUNT (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: oby obenauf MIKE, In a message dated 03-2698 you wrote ... > Sandy: could you dig out the Oby Obenauf story for me. He was a B-47 > pilot that disobeyed his a/c commanders bailout order and brought > home the bird after her found his navigator unconscious down below > where he went to bail out since his seat did not fire. > Am especially interested what happened to the a/c commander and to > Oby after this incident. Is it know at what rank and when Oby > retired? Thanks, Mike Hunt If you could give me a date on when I posted this, I might be able to find it. My Aviation archives are on several disks and I have no way to do a "search" for it. My postings on aviation go back to about 1991. -=* Jim Sanders *=- === * MsgView V1.13 [R028] * Your upkeep can be your downfall. --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F4300006 Date: 03/31/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 11:22am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Aviation history 32 October 1, 1979. All atmospheric defense assets and missions of Aerospace Defense Command are transferred to Tactical Air Command (TAC). Also on this date, the Aerospace Audiovisual Service becomes the single manager for Air Force combat audiovisual documentation. March 12-14, 1980. Two B-52 crews fly nonstop around the world in forty-three and a half hours, covering 21,256 statute miles, averaging 488 mph, and carrying out sea surveillance/reconnaissance missions. April 24, 1980. In the middle of an attempt to rescue US citizens held hostage in Iran, mechanical difficulties force several Navy RH-53 helicopter crews to turn back. Later, one of the RH-53s col- lides with an Air Force HC-130 in a sandstorm at the Desert One re- fueling site. Eight US servicemen are killed. May 28, 1980. The Air Force Academy graduates its first female cadets. Ninety-seven women are commissioned as second lieutenants. Lt. Kathleen Conly graduates eighth in her class. February 9, 1981. Verne Orr becomes Secretary of the Air Force. April 12, 1981.The space shuttle orbiter Columbia, the world's first reusable manned space vehicle, makes its first flight with astronauts John Young and Navy Capt. Robert Crippen aboard. June 7, 1981. Eight Israeli Air Force F-16s, escorted by F-15s, attack the Osirak nuclear reactor near Baghdad, Iraq, disabling its core. As a result, the US imposes a temporary embargo on the supply of new F-16s to Israel. June 18, 1981. In total secrecy, company pilot Hal Farley makes the first flight of the Lockheed F-117A stealth fighter at Tonopah Test Range, Nev. The existence of this aircraft would not be public- ly revealed until 1988. June 26, 1981. The first production Grumman/General Dynamics EF-111A, a specially developed ECM tactical jamming aircraft, makes its first flight. August 1, 1981. CMSgt. Arthur L. Andrews becomes Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force. October 2, 1981. President Ronald Reagan reinstitutes the B-1 bomber program canceled by the Carter Administration in 1977. November 10, 1981. For the first time, US Air Forces in Europe and the German Air Force test a section of the autobahn for emer- gency landings. July 1, 1982. US Air Force activates its first ground-launched cruise missile (GLCM) wing, the 501st Tactical Missile Wing, at Greenham Common in England. July 1, 1982. Gen. Charles A. Gabriel becomes Air Force Chief of Staff. September 1, 1982. Air Force Space Command is established. September 1-30, 1982. H. Ross Perot, Jr., and Jay Coburn com- plete the first circumnavigation of the globe by helicopter. Flying a modified Bell 206L Longranger, the duo averages 117 mph during their 246.5 hours of flight time. The trip starts and ends in Fort Worth, Tex. November 11, 1982. Vance D. Brand, Robert F. Overmyer, Joseph P. Allen IV, and William B. Lenoir lift off in the space shuttle Columbia. STS-5 is the first mission to send four astronauts aloft at one time. February 9, 1983. The first rewinged C-5A makes its first flight at Marietta, Ga. It will be delivered to the Air Force at the end of the month. February 10, 1983. The Cruise Pact is signed by the US and Canada, allowing testing of US cruise missiles in northern Canada. March 23, 1983. Flight testing of the Rockwell B-1A resumes at Edwards AFB,Calif. This aircraft is modified for the B-1B development effort. May 9, 1983. A C-141 crew from the 18th Military Airlift Squad- ron, McGuire AFB, N.J., becomes USAF's first all-female crew to fly a round-trip mission across the Atlantic. June 17, 1983. The first LGM-118A Peacekeeper (originally MX) ICBM is test-launched from Vandenberg AFB. June 18, 1983. The first American woman to go into space, Sally K. Ride, is aboard Challenger on the seventh space shuttle mission (STS-7). July 4, 1983. Flying in their new General Dynamics F-16A Fight- ing Falcons, the Thunderbirds, the Air Force's aerial demonstration squadron, perform before an estimated crowd of two million people at Coney Island, N.Y. July 22, 1983. Australian Dick Smith, flying a Bell JetRanger, completes the first solo flight around the world in a helicopter. The 35,258-mile trip began August 5, 1982. August 1, 1983. CMSgt. Sam E. Parish becomes Chief Master Ser- geant of the Air Force. August 30, 1983. Two milestones are recorded on the STS-8 space shuttle mission: The oldest astronaut, William E. Thornton, fifty- four, and the first black astronaut, Lt. Col. Guion S. Bluford, USAF, are sent aloft on the space shuttle Challenger with three others. October 25, 1983. Operation Urgent Fury, the rescue of American medical students on the Caribbean island of Grenada, begins. The operation will last until November 2. November 28, 1983. The ninth space shuttle mission (STS-9) is launched. Mission Commander John W. Young becomes the first person to make six spaceflights, and Columbia is the first spacecraft to be launched with a crew of six. The ten-day flight is also the first to use the European Spacelab module. February 3-11, 1984. Navy Capt. Bruce McCandless becomes the first human satellite as he takes the self-contained Manned Maneu- vering Unit (MMU) out for a spin while in Earth orbit on space shuttle mission 41-B. End of Part-32 === --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F4300007 Date: 03/31/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 06:34pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: News-117 German plane at wrong altitude at time of crash, Air Force says WASHINGTON - March 31, 1998 09:43 a.m. EST - A German military transport was flying at the wrong altitude when it collided with a U.S. Air Force C-141 off Africa last year, killing all 33 people aboard the two planes, a U.S. probe released Tuesday found. The six month air force investigation also concluded that poor management of air traffic through Angolan airspace was a "substant- ially contributing factor" in the Sept. 13 disaster. The German Tupolev 154 carrying 22 people was flying to Windhoek, Namibia from Niamey, Niger at an altitude of 35,000 feet when it collided with the C-141, which was heading from Windhoek to the Azores with a nine-member crew. "The primary cause of this accident, in my opinion, was GAF 074 (the call sign of the German plane) flying a cruise level (FL 35O) which was not the level that they had filed for (FL 390)," Colonel William Schell, the chief of the investigating board said in his report. FL 350 refers to flight level 35,000 feet and FL 390 to flight level 39,000 feet. Moreover, the flight levels filed for the German plane were in- correct under international Civil Aviation Organization regulations, the report found. The Luanda air traffic controllers had all the pertinent infor- mation they needed to provide critical advisories to both aircraft, the report said, but apparently failed to act on it. The "complicated and sporadic operation" of the aeronautics telecommunications network linking the air traffic controllers was another "substantially contributing factor" in the disaster, the report said. "Routing of messages to affected air traffic control agencies is not direct and is convoluted, creating unnecessary delays and unfortunate misroutings," the report said. "Specifically, ATC (air traffic control) agency - Windhoek did not receive a flight plan or a departure message on GAF 074 (the German plane), which could have been used by the controllers to identify the conflict so they could have advised REACH 4201 (the U.S. plane)," the report said. Having received neither a flight plan nor a departure message for the German aircraft, Windhoek air traffic controllers were un- aware the plane was approaching as the C-141 was heading north, the report said. Luanda air traffic control, which recieved flight plans for both aircraft but a departure message only for the U.S. plane, was in radio contact with the German plane but not in radio contact with the U.S. plane, the report said. "If ATC agency-Luanda was unable to contact GAF 074, it should have used other communication means (HF radio, telefax or telephone) to contact REACH 4201 through ATC agency-Windhoek, as outlined in governing documents," the report said. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Study finds FAA doesn't punish violators WASHINGTON - March 31, 1998 10:25 a.m. EST -- Federal Aviation Administration inspectors often find airline safety and airport security violations in the course of their work, but seldom write up or punish the violators, a new government review has found. The General Accounting Office, in a report to Congress, said interviews conducted during its review found some inspectors who complained that they were so inundated with paperwork or second- guessing that they did not write up the violations they discovered. In nearly 96 percent of the 2 million inspections from 1990 through 1996, there were no reports of problems or violations. Coming after criticism of FAA policies following the 1996 Valu- Jet crash in Florida and the explosion of TWA Flight 800 two months later, "GAO questions whether this rate (of finding violations) is a meaningful measure of the aviation industry's compliance with regulations," the auditors wrote. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who requested the report along with Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash., said Monday: "I am very concerned that once again the FAA has fallen short by not fully utilizing its cap- abilities to help determine potential aviation safety and security problems." The FAA refused immediate comment, saying it not had a chance to review the final report. In a response included in the report, the FAA said it does not have adequate legal resources to litigate all the violations it unearths. In addition, the agency said it has sought to work cooper- atively with airlines to correct problems rather than respond punitively. The FAA is the government entity charged with operating and en- suring the safety of the nation's aviation system. It has been crit- icized over the years for lax management and coziness with the airlines it regulates. The agency's new administrator, Jane Garvey, has pledged better results and is about to unveil a set of safety priorities that will guide the FAA's operation in coming years. The FAA has a 3,000-member inspection staff spread over five program offices, with a total budget of $535 million. The GAO re- viewed the Flight Standards Service, which is primarily charged with aviation safety, and the Office of Civil Aviation Security, charged with flight security. Overall, during the government fiscal years of 1990 through 1996, the GAO found, some 96 percent of Flight Standards' inspections and 91 percent of Security's inspections resulted in no reports of problems or violations. But follow-up interviews with 600 safety inspectors and 175 security special agents found that 35 percent of the Flight Safety inspectors, and 32 percent of the Security inspectors, said that they reported half or fewer of the problems or violations they observed. To correct the deficiencies, the GAO suggested that FAA in- spectors report all observed problems or violations, start disting- uishing between major and minor violations, and integrate their enforcement and inspection databases to better identify major violators. --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1)