--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2K00010 Date: 02/13/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 04:37am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: News-034 Rough landing at O'Hare leads to near disaster CHICAGO - Feb 12, 1998 7:36 p.m. EST - Moments after an American Airlines jet missed the runway and skidded to a stop in a muddy field, air traffic controllers cleared two more planes to land on the same runway. One landed safely, but the pilot of the other aborted after seeing the damaged plane. Although no one was hurt, the dangerous situation at O'Hare International Airport on Monday has prompted criticism, an investi- gation and a new policy announced Thursday by American Airlines. "You have a potential here for a multiple plane disaster," aviation safety advocate Paul Hudson said. The new policy, affecting older 727s with less sophisticated navigational equipment, gives pilots more time to decide whether to abort a landing. The American 727, carrying 115 passengers and six crew members from Kansas City, Mo., landed about 200 feet short of the runway and skidded about 2,000 feet before stopping next to the runway. In a news release Thursday, the National Transportation Safety Board said that moments later, air traffic controllers cleared a United 727 to land on the same runway. Shortly after that plane landed safely, airport maintenance workers spotted the American plane in the mud "and advised the tower that there was debris on the runway," the NTSB said. But a third plane, a United 737, had already gotten clearance to land. It touched down momentarily but took off when the pilot saw the idled American plane, United spokesman Joe Hopkins said. For the duration of the NTSB investigation into Monday's rough landing, American will prohibit pilots of 727s from Category II landings -- in which the plane is on autopilot until 100 feet from the ground, when the pilot takes over. Also, 727 pilots may not use autopilot equipment below 1,000 feet and must be able to see the runway at that height to land. Because of dense fog, visibility when the American plane landed was about a quarter mile and the landing decision height was 100 feet. The pilot, who has not been identified, had never landed a 727 before in such conditions, according to the NTSB. Newer planes are capable of making Category III landings, which essentially allow pilots to land in zero visibility on autopilot. American has only 75 727s, and its 566 other planes are equipped for Category III landings, said airline spokeswoman Mary Frances Fagan. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Cuban vice president visits Canada, signs air deal OTTAWA - 13 Feb 1998 03:09 GMT - Cuban Vice President Carlos Lage met Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien Thursday, discussed human rights with Canadian officials and signed an agreement to expand air travel between the two countries. Canada is one of the communist nation's closest friends, to the distress of the United States, and bilateral visits are frequently exchanged. Canadian Foreign Minister Lloyd Axworthy cited various efforts on working with Cuba on human rights. Asked at a news conference to explain why Chretien saw Lage while refusing to meet Chinese dissident Wei Jingsheng, said: "Dr. Lage is here on an official visit as the vice president of another country, and I think it's the proper courtesy that the prime minis- ter gives to that occasion. "He doesn't necessarily see all private individuals who want to see him." Axworthy and Lage signed what the Canadian government described as a more flexible air transport agreement, under which Cubana Air- lines was adding two flights a week to Toronto, complementing its twice weekly service to Montreal. They also renewed an anti-hijacking treaty. Canada's trade and investment in Cuba has run afoul of the United States' controversial Helms-Burton law, which seeks to penalize those who use property confiscated from Americans. The Canadian and Cuban governments regularly protest this law as an invasion of their bilateral relationship but have failed to block it in international trade forums. === --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2K00011 Date: 02/13/98 From: RAYMOND YATES Time: 03:06am \/To: RAY MARSH (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: news-876 They was bangin' on the Coconut Telegraph about news-876 RM> Greetings... -=> Quoting Raymond Yates to Jim Sanders on news-876 <=- RY> Two that stand out after all these years are the Colditz RY> Story, and the The Vaulting Horse... RM> That's "The Wooden Horse". RM> ...from Brisbane, Australia. raymarsh@hotmail.com That's the one, could not recall the title exactly at the time. Thanks for the correction. One of the best books I have read out of the thousands I +have+ read... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: The Coconut Telegraph/2 (1:3628/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2K00012 Date: 02/13/98 From: RAYMOND YATES Time: 10:25am \/To: JAY HANIG (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: news-005 They was bangin' on the Coconut Telegraph about news-005 JH> 09 Feb 98 12:05, Jim Sanders wrote to Christopher Tarana: JS> They can not spell and do not now history of last week.... JH> No telling what else they don't now. What's even worse is, what they don't know, they don't bother to look up.... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: The Coconut Telegraph/2 (1:3628/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2K00013 Date: 02/13/98 From: RAYMOND YATES Time: 10:34am \/To: JAY HANIG (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: News-023 They was bangin' on the Coconut Telegraph about News-023 JH> A LTC who commanded one of the other squadrons that rotated between JH> Cherry Point and Aviano was relieved of duty yesterday for telling JH> his troops to destroy any evidence of their own possible JH> wrongdoings. The commanding general "lost confidence in JH> his ability to command". JH> This is one black eye the Marines could have done without. JH> I hope they don't end up shooting themselves in the foot as JH> well. On the other hand, it is good to see that the Corps did the right thing, in this instance, regardless of how unpleasant. Beats the usual cover-up and close-ranks of the 70's. I would rather see them chastise their own than be scourged by outsiders..... ... Cry "Bother!" and let loose the Poohs of War ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: The Coconut Telegraph/2 (1:3628/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2K00014 Date: 02/13/98 From: RAYMOND YATES Time: 10:42am \/To: JAY HANIG (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: News-023 They was bangin' on the Coconut Telegraph about News-023 JH> 10 Feb 98 21:43, Robert Linenweber wrote to Jim Sanders: "That is the sound of freedom". JH> I had my head down in the ice chest digging around for a drink when a JH> Marine F-4 snuck up behind me and passed off our starboard side JH> maybe 30' off the deck and 100 feet to the side. The last air show here in Wilmington { and they are having one this year, Y'all come} the Angels pulled a classic "look over here while the extra jet sneaks up from behind you at 200 feet and near supersonic." Three older ladies almost fainted at the excitement... My daughter, 13, thought it was the best magic trick she had seen... The crowd of several thousand experienced the same "where d'ell THAT come from feeling.." Great fun, terrific tactic. ... It doesn't work, but it looks pretty. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: The Coconut Telegraph/2 (1:3628/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2K00015 Date: 02/13/98 From: JAY HANIG Time: 05:48pm \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: News-031 11 Feb 98 14:53, Jim Sanders wrote to All: JS> U-2 test pilot Tony LeVier dies JS> GLENDALE, CA -- Feb 11, 1998 12:01 p.m. EST -- Tony LeVier, a JS> pioneering test pilot who made the first flights of the U-2 spy JS> plane and the XF-104 Starfighter, died of cancer and kidney failure JS> Friday. He was 84. Let's not forget that Tony Levier was highly involved in the ultimate acceptance of the P-38 in the Pacific theater. Early on, many pilots were afraid of the aircraft for its supposedly wicked single engine handling. Author Martin Caiden had a lot of things to say about Mr. Levier.... all of it good. From all accounts, he was one hell of a pilot. Jay --- GoldED/386 2.50+ * Origin: If It's Not Boeing, I'm Not Going. (1:379/41.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2K00016 Date: 02/13/98 From: STAS KLYKOV Time: 12:58am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Free helecopters pages From: "Stas Klykov" ਢ ! ਣ ࠧ騩 ᠩ, 饭 ⮫⠬ http//www.aha.ru/~stasovar ... -= Stas =- --- ifmail v.2.11 * Origin: AnaStas (2:5020/52@fidonet) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2K00017 Date: 02/13/98 From: JACK KINNEY Time: 03:29pm \/To: JAY HANIG (Read 0 times) Subj: NEWS-005 Jay, JH>09 Feb 98 12:05, Jim Sanders wrote to Christopher Tarana: JH>JS> They can not spell and do not now history of last week.... JH>No telling what else they don't now. Be it far from me to correct a pilot but.... You neglected to Glodbreg your last word! ie: now ___ * UniQWK #5250* QL.....Ql.....calling QL....Sooooouuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Inner Sanctum - Full Internet Svc (813) 848-6055 (1:3619/21) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2K00018 Date: 02/13/98 From: ROBERT LINENWEBER Time: 11:29pm \/To: JAY HANIG (Read 0 times) Subj: The Sound of Freedom In a message to Robert Linenweber <02-11-98 17:34> Jay Hanig wrote: JH> "That is the sound of freedom". I belong to a Joint Service unit at Scott AFB. Once a month the Army folks gather at 0600 to do PT and then run 3.5 miles in formation. On any Army base an officer would be in serious trouble for running troops through the housing area because it would disturb the families. At Scott our DCINC, LTG Hubert Smith, lead us past the houses of all 17 General Officers on base while chanting Army cadence. Someone asked him how he could get away with that. (He has 3 stars but there is an Air Force 4 star on base.) He said whenever the Air Force types comment on the noise of the jets next to the housing area they call it the sound of freedom. LTG Smith said he just wants everyone to know what "the real sound of freedom" sounds like. It sounds like our soldiers, (and sailors, airmen, and marines). ... Corporate Pilot Credo - Fly for fun, but we WAIT for a living! --- QuickBBS 2.81 Ovr * Origin: FAA ASO-FSDO-15 BBS / Orlando, Florida (1:363/275)