--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2500023 Date: 02/05/98 From: MIKE LUTHER Time: 02:19pm \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: News-000 Elvis.. > EH: Hey, Mike! Welcome to AVIATION! I needed an echo to test that Internet list route to see it posting a message in it would wind up here. The only one with a simple name that I could recall with my addled mind was this one.. :) Not being sure if the crew here was ready for my terrible puns, I bandaged my fingers before writing that first post.. however now I know *YOU* are reading, I'll add the bit I *REALLY* wanted to post. Simply a matter of political humorous opinion here, but... Times being as they are, if by chance, the Coast Guard were called out to fish the President out of the drink, I'd understand the subsitution of a tactical call for the craft of DUMBO1... :) Mike @ 117/3001 --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Ziplog Public Port (1:117/3001.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2A00000 Date: 02/05/98 From: ELVIS HARGROVE Time: 07:48pm \/To: MIKE LUTHER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: News-000 -> Times being as they are, if by chance, the Coast Guard were called -> out -> to fish the President out of the drink, I'd understand the -> subsitution -> of a tactical call for the craft of DUMBO1... But you forgot to tell all and sundry that YOU worked with the CG on the A&M project......... I have been watching carefully for any sign of Internet infiltration, aware of your tests because of R-19 Sysops, and am glad to say that so far there ARE none. (And there better not be because as things stand this echo prohibits gating to any other distribution services.) ^..^ --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: BOO! Board Of Occult, Rio Grande Valley Texas (1:397/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2A00001 Date: 02/05/98 From: ROBERT LINENWEBER Time: 06:32pm \/To: CHRISTOPHER TARANA (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: News-000 In a message to Nat Potter <02-03-98 21:52> Christopher Tarana wrote: CT> believe AF1 is the code name for the particular Boeing VC-135 that CT> the president uses for everything besides his dates. AF1 is laid out Had to chuckle when you ran that one past. Thanks. . ... There is safety in numbers - Participate in the "Wings" Program! --- QuickBBS 2.81 Ovr * Origin: FAA ASO-FSDO-15 BBS / Orlando, Florida (1:363/275) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2A00002 Date: 02/05/98 From: ROBERT LINENWEBER Time: 06:38pm \/To: NAT POTTER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: News-000 In a message to Christopher Tarana <02-04-98 16:42> Nat Potter wrote: NP> of the Air Force One call sign. I think it may be covered in the AIM NP> (Airman Information Manual) *:-<) One small "politically correct" point. The AIM is the Aeronautical Information Manual. As soon as someone comes up with a way to spin it NOTAMs will change too. (Any you old guys remember Oil Burner Routes?) Best regards, .. Bob Linenweber . ... There is safety in numbers - Participate in the "Wings" Program! --- QuickBBS 2.81 Ovr * Origin: FAA ASO-FSDO-15 BBS / Orlando, Florida (1:363/275) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2A00003 Date: 02/06/98 From: MIKE LUTHER Time: 06:40am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: News-000 Well, in the spirit of the number of this thread.. > EH: But you forgot to tell all and sundry that YOU worked with the > EH: CG on the > EH: A&M project......... Spent more time with the Mexican Navy... Si.. chuckle. I never got to fly any of the A&M aircraft, but *ONCE*, - almost- . The PI of the Mach 40 wind tunnel where I did all the electronics and instrumentation electronics interfacing had the courtesy to take me up in a J3-cousin research telemetry boxkite out at the Flight Test Lab Research site! He refused to let me fly it, said I wasn't qualified and knowledgeable enough to be trusted with it after my II time in an A model Bonanza with an electric prop and no dive brakes.... :) Made one barn burning six-foot-over-the-runway pass at full bore into a rapid pull-up, saying, "Now with 150 horses this baby really can climb!" Rolled it back out downwind and into the same runway, taxied back to the hanger and said, "Wasn't that nice?" Yes Boss. Only Aeronuatical Engineers know enough to fly planes... sigh. > EH: I have been watching carefully for any sign of Internet infiltration, > EH: aware of your tests because of R-19 Sysops, and am glad to say > EH: that so > EH: far there ARE none. (And there better not be because as things > EH: stand > EH: this echo prohibits gating to any other distribution services.) There have, in the spirit of this message thread number.. been 000 inflitrations either way. What I want to know is just where does that fido.aviation usegroup go in the Internet side? The message I posted there clocked in as #51. It stayed a week, then vanished. Nothing.... ? I hesitate to speculate, for fear that I may deviate, from the true course of rectitude, for I am a very dumb fish, SIR, and do not know, SIR! Mike @ 117/3001 --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: Ziplog Public Port (1:117/3001.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2A00004 Date: 02/04/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 12:11pm \/To: JAY HANIG (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: news-876 JAY, In a message dated 02-0298 you wrote ... > 30 Jan 98 11:55, Jim Sanders wrote to Raymond Yates: > > > JS> I met many "characters" in POW camps. My Barracks > JS> Senior Officer at Luft III was Britain's most > JS> highly decorated flier (Many do not even know his name.) > > Was that "Sailor" Malan from South Africa? It was Wing Commander "Bob" Braham, English nightfighter ace. Hi did not have the Victoria cross but had the largest collection of "Gongs" in the British forces. Hew was 23 years old at that time. He came to Canada after the war and flew for the RCAF as a Group Captain. His widow and three sons live there now.. I exchange e-mail with his oldest son, Michael... -=* Jim Sanders *=- ... Singing, Zoot Suits, Parachutes and Wings of silver, too === * MsgView V1.13 [R028] * --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2A00005 Date: 02/04/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 12:11pm \/To: RAYMOND YATES (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: news-876 RAYMOND, In a message dated 02-02-98 you wrote ... > Two that stand out after all these years are the Colditz > Story, Colditz was the "Most secure" of all the camps. It was for the Bad Boys. and had more escapes than any other place in Germany. I was in the North Compound of Luft III where 50 were shot by the Gestapo for escape. I got there later. I am a life member of the Armed Forces Escape and Evasion Society. My buddy, James Beatty and I reached Paris just a few days before the war ended.. Jim lives near me and still survives though he had a lung removed just recently. We were survivors. :) -=* Jim Sanders *=- === * MsgView V1.13 [R028] * --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2A00006 Date: 02/04/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 12:11pm \/To: JIM DAWSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: news-007 JIM, In a message dated 02-0298 you wrote ... > Yesterday near Leadville, Colorado, an Army UH-60 Blackhawk heliocpter > carrying 4 persons from the 10th Spec FOrces Group at FT. Carson hit > power lines and crashed. Absolutely nothing on the Net or in our paper about this. I think they are trying to censor some of these accidents. -=* Jim Sanders *=- === * MsgView V1.13 [R028] * --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2A00007 Date: 02/04/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 12:11pm \/To: JIM COLE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: news-000 JIM, In a message dated 02-03-98 you wrote ... > Actually yes Jim. The 89th is a plum assignment. Probably a plum that I could not digest at the present time. > The only trouble would be getting > released from that outfit. When it was SAC of course you know it was > impossible except to die or get out of the service. Both of which > people did. Having spent Eight years on a B-52 crew on the same base in SAC, I am well aware of this. I turned down promotion to O-6 and retired when we came home from Guam... Came home just before Christmas in 1965 and retired in 1966. > One correction I need to make and that is that the A/C was a VC-137 > versus a 135. What is a VC-137. After my time. I am not familar with that designation. > About the airport there at Willard field. It is one of a > handful that I haven't been into. Usually the runways will take it but > it's the taxiways that are limiting. Do you understand the term WAIVER. Well aquainted with ALL TYPES of wavers. Jim Dawson says it was rated for the old DC-3 and F-27.... He has some info on it. > Usually in a situation like this the waivers come hot and heavy doncha > know. I don't have any current charts but someone might have. I really > don't think it would matter however in view of the > WAIVER.........Jim..... I know a certain draft dodger that needs that wavier used as ......... 'nuff Said. I would last about 12 hours in the persent day service. My nose is too short.. -=* Jim Sanders *=- === * MsgView V1.13 [R028] * A short-snorter is not a drug addict! --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F2A00008 Date: 02/04/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 02:04pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: News-015 Rescuers fear no one survived Philippine plane crash CLAVERIA, Philippines - Feb 4, 1998 06:43 a.m. ESTh -- Battling rain, snakes and dense jungle, rescuers finally reached the wreckage of a DC-9 airliner on a Philippine mountain Wednesday, but found no sign of the 104 people who had been on the plane. The army team, which took nearly two days to get to the remote crash site, found pieces of seat cushions, scattered clothes and business cards at the edge of a deep ravine, said Col. Jacinto Ligot. Rescuers climbed down the ravine Wednesday to search for bodies and more wreckage. More debris, including a blood-stained blanket and airline docu- ments, was found on a neighboring mountain, apparently blown there by strong winds. The twin-engine Cebu Pacific Air plane crashed Monday nearly 30 miles northeast of its destination, Cagayan de Oro, a southern Philippine city on the island of Mindanao. Ligot said 21 soldiers had reached the crash site near the peak of Mount Sumagaya, a steep 7,260-foot ridge. More than 100 others were en route. About 20 ambulances waited on a road at the foot of the mountain, as were some relatives, who wept when they heard rescuers had reached the site. Two communist rebel leaders offered in a radio interview to help in the rescue. Ligot said they would be allowed to join if they were unarmed. The airplane was making a visual, not instrumental, landing approach when it disappeared, officials said. The plane had made an unscheduled stop at another airport and was not on its normal flight path from Manila. The plane carried 99 passengers and five crew members when it disappeared over high mountains and deep ravines. The plane's last radio contact was with the Cagayan de Oro air- port tower 15 minutes before it was due to land. In that call, the pilot said he was 40 miles from the airport and was starting to descend. There was no indication the plane was in trouble.