--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F1W00000 Date: 01/25/98 From: JIM DAWSON Time: 06:17pm \/To: KARL SCHNEIDER (Read 0 times) Subj: TURBO COMPOUND I was replying to the question about what engines powered the B-50, a B-29 look-alike. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: The Grotto - Arvada, CO (303) 421-7186 V.32bis (1:104/251) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F1W00001 Date: 01/25/98 From: JIM DAWSON Time: 06:20pm \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: RE: NEWS-972 Got it! UAL doesn't like it when Frontier and WesPac both fly B737s out of the same terminal for less. UAL's Shuttle service is a direct competitor to both of the others and have driven them out of some markets already. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: The Grotto - Arvada, CO (303) 421-7186 V.32bis (1:104/251) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F1W00002 Date: 01/25/98 From: UWE WOLFRAM Time: 11:04pm \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: B-47 part 1 of 3 Hi Jim! JS> The long reach of the Stratojet - By Walter Boyne Today they aired (again) this movie with actor James Stewart, don't know how it is called in the U.S. Propaganda from the fifties, but nice shots of the B-47 (and the B-36). When I was in Florida over the holidays Discovery Channel showed Wings episodes all day long at New Years Eve. This was the only chance for me to have a glimpse at that nice series. Couldn't stayed up for quite long (drove all day long), but viewed the SR-71, AV-8 and UH-1 episodes in my motel room :-). Hope that they broadcast it over here some day outside pay tv. Well, they got a new Shuttle display at KSC. Uwe --- CrossPoint v3.02 R * Origin: to fly or not to fly, that is not the question (2:2453/30.205) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F1W00003 Date: 01/26/98 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 05:38am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: News-993 BAD WEATHER STILL GROUNDING BRANSON'S BALLOON British tycoon Richard Branson and his team began readying the Challenger balloon Saturday for eventual take-off from its launch site in Morocco, as Branson prepared for his new attempt to set a global record in a nonstop flight around the world. Branson, who failed to get off the ground at his last attempt in December, said bad weather forecasts meant he probably would not be able to lift off until February. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 'Mad fare disease' hits airlines flying from India NEW DELHI, - 26 January 1998 (15:29 GMT) - Some call it mad fare disease, others say it is just a plain old price war. Starting early last week, the average price of an air ticket out of India to London or New York has fallen by nearly 50 percent, with airlines scrambling to get one-up on each other with bigger and better discounts. German airline Lufthansa became the latest entrant to the battlefield, stating that it could not stand isolated and had no alternative but to slash its fares. "The mad fare disease has spread from British Airways (BA) to almost all carriers...we at Lufthansa cannot stay in isolation any longer," it told its travel agents. The first salvo in the price war was fired by BA, which cut fares by 40 percent early last week, triggering a reaction from all major carriers that fly out of India. The price of a ticket to London and back is an average 22,000 rupees ($570) today, down from about 35,000 rupees a week ago. Fares to New York and Washington now cost about 30,000 rupees, down from 44,000 a week ago. Apart from BA and Lufthansa, discounts are now available on Air India, the KLM-Northwest combine, Emirates Airlines, SAS, Delta Airlines, Air France and United Airlines. BA said it had made the cuts to show its appreciation for its customers, rather than to shore up slack demand. "We have not made this offer to fill empty seats. We want to give something back to our customers as they are responsible for our success," Rayana Sequeira, BA's South Asia public relations manager, told Reuters. But other airlines dismiss this claim. "You can't charge customers one price one day and cut it by 40 percent the next for the same product," Jitendra Bhargava, Air India's public relations director said. "We have called their bluff, and BA won't get the extra customers it wants." Air India cut fares by 45 percent a day after BA. Whatever airlines might say, there is no getting away from the fact that these discounts have come at a seasonal trough. "There is a sharp fall in demand in the trough, a period that runs from January 15 and April 15 each year," said Aniruddha Das, assistant general manager at Sunshine Travels Ltd said. He said demand from both tourists and business travellers fell off by about 20 percent during this period. "Last year, it was not so bad," he said. "But this year, with the economy...sluggish, there is a sharp fall in the number of people flying west. And after Christmas, there is always overcapacity on transatlantic routes, so this feeds on that." Almost all discount tickets have to be bought before the end of this month, and travel has to be completed before early April. "Airlines are trying to fill seats for the trough by giving discounts until the end of January," said an aviation consultant, who asked not to be identified. He said with all airlines cutting prices, it was unlikely that any airline would benefit from incremental business. "Everybody has moved to hedge against losing business by cutting fares. No airline will win, but the customer will," he said. While airlines rush to cut fares on westbound routes from India, eastbound routes remain chock-a-block. Das said it was impossible to get tickets at short notice to Hong Kong, Singapore or Bangkok, and fares were still at regular rates. "The demand for tickets to the east remains strong. Many people are being lured to Southeast Asia by weakening local currencies," he said. (Indian Rupees) === --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F1X00000 Date: 01/25/98 From: ROBERT LINENWEBER Time: 12:05am \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: news-972 JS> I have my opinion as to what is going on here. You can make your JS> own... But the big boys do not want this competition.... I later came across an article by Senator McCain that looks like he agrees with you too. Bob Linenweber . ... There is safety in numbers - Participate in the "Wings" Program! --- QuickBBS 2.81 Ovr * Origin: FAA ASO-FSDO-15 BBS / Orlando, Florida (1:363/275) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F1X00001 Date: 01/27/98 From: TONY PATON Time: 03:20pm \/To: JAY HANIG (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: TURBO COMPOUND -=> While breaking out of cloud Jay Hanig boldly told Tony about TURBO COMPOUND JH>> B-29s. TP> Interesting, what did the updated verion have as powerplants? B-50 i think TP> it was called. JH> You're probably right. In a visit to Wright Patterson's AF Museum, I JH> remember looking at a B-50, which certainly looked exactly like a B-29 JH> to me. Beautiful airplane..... They are! They must of been modern for the times! \ ------------ >-==- TONY PATON / ... "We've short jumped, and we're nowhere near a star." -- Lister ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Aquarius BBS - Realtime internet access (3:714/930) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F1X00002 Date: 01/27/98 From: TONY PATON Time: 03:21pm \/To: JIM DAWSON (Read 0 times) Subj: RE: TURBO COMPOUND -=> While breaking out of cloud Jim Dawson boldly told Tony about RE: TURBO COMPOUND JD> R-4360 engines I assume for the B-50? \ ------------ >-==- TONY PATON / ... "That was first-degree toastercide!" - Talkie Toaster ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Aquarius BBS - Realtime internet access (3:714/930) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F1X00003 Date: 01/27/98 From: TONY PATON Time: 03:22pm \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: news-956 -=> While breaking out of cloud Jim Sanders boldly told Tony about Re: news-956 Hi Jim > Are you telling me that there is an answer but it is staring at them? JS> It seems to me that there were so many incompetents in the JS> investigation. We saw one on TV during an interview session JS> and he was so drunk he could hardly stand... or incapacitated JS> to the point he should not have been there... Really? We don't get much info on such things, my only source is here! JS> With the "state of the art" equipment available to terrorist, JS> they could have placed a small spark source with a timer in the JS> tank many hours before. Had the plane not been delayed, it JS> would have been in the middle of the Atlantic when it exploded. If it was terrorists, they must be laughing as the investigation proves nothing. How could they have got this small device into the tank and secondly would it depend on how much fuel was left in the tank? JS> In the past two days, several small "TIMER" bombs were exploded JS> in Athens by terrorists.... They have a source for some very JS> high tech equipment... Money talks... \ ------------ >-==- TONY PATON / ... Another Red Dwarf Fan? It MUST be spreading as a disease! ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Aquarius BBS - Realtime internet access (3:714/930) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: F1X00004 Date: 01/25/98 From: RAY MARSH Time: 09:32pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Berlin airlift Greetings... The following is from the Electronic Telegraph, London... THE 50th anniversary celebrations of the Berlin airlift unjustly minimise the RAF role, the British military attache has told organisers. Brig Brian Isbell has objected to a brochure distributed by the German Aerospace Industries Association which describes Britain as joining an American enterprise "later". "This is a rather distorted picture of what happened," he wrote to the association. "From the outset the airlift was a combined US/British operation. Both US and British planes landed in Berlin on June 25 '48, the day after the blockade was imposed." British diplomats in Berlin have also objected to the city authorities, who were distributing photographs only of the American airlift. They have since agreed to give full weight to the British role. The brochure for the May event says "all available US transportation squadrons were ordered to Germany, to be joined later by British, Canadian, French, South African and other Commonwealth forces." Brig Isbell says that 40 of the 77 people who died in the airlift were British. The RAF operated eight of the 12 airfields and supplied 45 per cent of the 538,000 tons of food which saved the city. An aerospace association spokesman said yesterday that the brochure was "out of date". A meeting was being arranged with Brig Isbell. ...from Brisbane, Australia. raymarsh@hotmail.com ... Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Brisbug MIS Brisbane Qld (3:640/829)