--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF500005 Date: 11/04/97 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 05:48am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: News-833 To All: In regard to the latest on Zoche Aero-Diesel, the following was received from Zoche on 4 November 1997. I have picture of the 8 cylinder in wind tunnel with a huge prop. If you have E-mail, I can forward a copy or you can capture from the web site listed below. Jim Sanders ------------------- Sir, thank you for your recent e-mail. So far we have accumulated over 2500 hours of bench testing, in January 1995 we began with the testing of engines assembled out of quantity production components. In order to develop firewall-forward solutions we are operating cowled engines in our own windtunnel. The first fixed-wing aircraft to use our engines will be the aerobatic competition aircraft EXTRA 300 which is scheduled to fly the ZO 02A. We are currently in the concurrent JAR-E (European) and FAR 33 certification program. The usual way would have been to address the European (JAR-E) certification first before handling the US (FAR 33) certification procedure. With both the German and US aviation authorities having agreed upon a concurrent certification, we expect to have both Type Certificates available during 1998 - but, as with any leading edge technology, precise schedules are difficult to pre- dict. It is part of our company policy to sell certified engines only; we consider the certification as a further proof of the design validity and production quality. Prices will be competitive with those of conventional aircraft engines of similar horsepower output. As individual component prices are subject to change and exchange rates vary, we cannot publish final price lists yet. However, to give a rough estimate, we expect to sell the 150 hp aero-diesel in the US$ 20000 price range, with twice that figure for the 300 hp engine. To obtain further data you might want to poll our brochure from our fax (++49 89 342451) or visit our webpage at: http://www.zoche.de Sincerely, Dr. Stefan Ittner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Continental talks near deal Airline and pilots reach tentative agreement, though issues remain HOUSTON - November 3, 1997: 8:43 p.m. E.T. - Continental Airlines and the pilots' union Monday said they reached a tentative agreement on "major economic issues." However, the two parties said significant issues remain to be resolved. The terms of the tentative agreement on such economic matters as pay rates, pension and duration, were not disclosed. Continental and its pilots have been in labor talks since April. The tentative agreements were reached after 15 consecutive days of negotiations in Washington under the direction of Stephen Crable, the chief of staff of the National Mediation Board. Further information was not immediately available. ------------------------------------------------------- --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF500006 Date: 11/03/97 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 02:21pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Zoche aero-diesel There has been quite some discussion about aircraft diesels on here for the past few days. Zoche Aero-Diesel of Munich still has a website on the INTERNET at http://193.26.97.194/ and receives E-mail at 101613.444@compuserve.com Their 300 hp 8 cylinder radial weighing 271 pounds should find a ready market. I have requested information which I will pass on. I posted specifications some time back. Jim Sanders --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EFA00000 Date: 11/05/97 From: JAY HANIG Time: 02:25pm \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: News-832 03 Nov 97 18:43, Jim Sanders wrote to All: JS> Iraq threatens to shoot down U.S. surveillance planes JS> UNITED NATIONS -+- November 3, 1997 3:04 p.m. EST -+- The U.N. JS> Security Council was due to meet at 5 p.m. Monday for closed door JS> talks on how to resolve the increasingly tense standoff with Iraq, JS> which has threatened to shoot down U.S. surveillance planes as part JS> of its ban on U.S. weapons inspectors. This really cranks my gears. Where do they get off acting like *they* won the war? As any Iraqi MiG pilot can tell you, "Duck!" is still the national bird of Iraq and "B-52!" can still get you a big reaction at an Iraqi bingo game. Jay --- GoldED/386 2.50+ * Origin: If It's Not Boeing, I'm Not Going. (1:379/41.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EFA00001 Date: 11/04/97 From: JIM DAWSON Time: 04:33pm \/To: JIM DUNMYER (Read 0 times) Subj: DIESEL ENGINES I'll pass the word. I have wanted to own a VW Diesel and almost bought one at a city auction a few years ago. Engine sounded fine from city (Boulder) maintenance but the body was rusted very badly. 30 K miles and about $1200. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: The Grotto - Arvada, CO (303) 421-7186 V.32bis (1:104/251) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EFA00002 Date: 10/27/97 From: GRAHAM DRUMMOND Time: 05:22pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Kamov I was just discussing with a friend Kamov's unique way of counteracting rotor torque in their helicopters - by employing counter-rotating rotors rather than a tail rotor. We were wondering how it was done. How is yaw controlled at zero airspeed? I think it must be one of two ways. Either one rotor is slowed so that normal torque rotates the aircraft, or perhaps there's a system where the blades on one side of one rotor are angled upwards and the blades on the other rotor are angled downwards on the same side, creating more drag on that side without extra lift. Does anyone know how it's really done? Also there's the question of power. There are two engines (piston or turboshaft, depending on the model), presumably with the power combined and then divided between the two rotors, rather than each engine powering one rotor. In the event of a single engine failure, I would assume that the remaining engine power is therefore divided between the two rotors. How well can they fly on a single engine? Thanks for any input! Check six Buster ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The BEAST (3:640/245) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EFA00003 Date: 10/30/97 From: GRAHAM DRUMMOND Time: 04:53pm \/To: MURRAY WALLACE (Read 0 times) Subj: Media -=> Quoting Murray Wallace to Graham Drummond <=- GD> ..did a go-around with the gear up.. on one engine.. MW> Sounds like a training flight doing a one engine approach MW> and go-around (The simulated dead engine would not be shut MW> down but left at idle, hence no smoke). In most twin jets MW> the gear is left up on an engine-out approach until a landing MW> is assured because due to it's drag, a go-around is impossible MW> with it down. That I didn't know. We'd figured it was a training or practice go-around but we assumed that if that were the case the gear would've been down. Thanks to you and the others who replied.. And yes, it was an F28 Fellowship. Check six Buster ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The BEAST (3:640/245) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EFA00004 Date: 11/02/97 From: GRAHAM DRUMMOND Time: 09:11pm \/To: TONY PATON (Read 0 times) Subj: media -=> Quoting Tony Paton to Graham Drummond <=- GD> they're called. Little twinjets that look like a shrunken 727) TP> F28 Fellowship. Yep. GD> that did a go-around with the gear up (but the gear was also up GD> it was only running on one engine - starboard - the other was not TP> Unsure, it could of been a few things. Practice engine out approach, TP> testing of the ILS Testing ILS on one engine? TP> or it could of been a real emergency and they TP> went somewhere else, strange that it wouldn't land at Bris. That's what we thought. It wasn't a real busy day, and Brisbane isn't usually busy at the best of times. TP> Sorry I can't help you much, was it an East West, Ansett or CAA? CAA, if memory serves me correctly (which is probably doesn't). Check six Buster ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The BEAST (3:640/245)