--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF400005 Date: 11/04/97 From: DAN KRATZER Time: 12:47am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 0 times) Subj: RE: AVIATION Rules. On Nov 03, 1997 03:10am, ELVIS HARGROVE wrote to DAN KRATZER: EH> Dan, that's an oversight on my part. I appologise abjectly, and will EH> make a change in next month's rules. EH> I too believe it is a VERY important field of aviation, and will gladly EH> welcome it into our forum. EH> Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Thank you for the prompt attention. It was kind of surprising to see that the turn-around is so fast!! Thanx again. I have been looking for a place o find out information and maybe share experiences with people. Dan Kratzer ... The Gaming Emporium, Tulsa, OK FIDO: 1:170/802 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! [TESTDRIVE] v2.0TD * Origin: The Gaming Emporium FIDO -->1:170/802 AIRnet ---> 55 (1:170/802) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF500000 Date: 11/04/97 From: JACKSON HARDING Time: 08:13am \/To: KEITH JILLINGS (Read 0 times) Subj: Commercial Pilots flying light Twins and08:13:0011/04/97 Hello Keith! Wednesday October 29 1997, Keith Jillings writes to Bill Wunsch: KJ> Sunday, 26 October 1997 Bill Wunsch wrote to Keith Jillings KJ>>> ... and now operates happily as a US carrier under sensible rules. BW>> I wonder if that is like having your merchant ship registered BW>> in Bermuda. KJ> Similar concept, for sure. Registering shipping in Bermuda, Liberia, KJ> etc is to do with taxation (I thought) rather than the rules under KJ> which it operates -- but could be both. It's both. While there are the taxation issues on the profits the owners make from the vessel, there are also issues like safety standards and rates of pay for the crew that are all determined by the country of registry. It is obviously much cheaper to maintain a ship to Liberian safety standards and pay Liberian wages to the crew (but usually not the officers) than those that would prevail in most Western countries. Aviation regulations are different, and most countries, particularly western ones insist on foreign aircraft meeting certain standards. Thus if you fly to or from the US only a few countries (notably all western ones) have reciprocal recognition of safety standards and are allowed to fly beyond the port of entry with a minimum of fuss. Bye for now, Jackson --- GoldED 3.00.Alpha4+ * Origin: --> The Cockpit, up front in aviation BBS' <-- (3:800/857) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF500001 Date: 11/02/97 From: HARRY SCHOEMAKER Time: 01:17pm \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 0 times) Subj: Commercial Pilots flying Hallo Elvis, * Reaction on a message from Elvis Hargrove (1:397/6@fidonet.org) which he wrote on Friday October 31 1997 at 15.28 to Keith Jillings () ->> _SO_, _Europeans_, _if_ _you_ _are_ _receiving_ _this_ _echo_ ->> . . . _please_ _send_ _a_ _mail_ _to_ _say_ _so_. It is received in Rotterdam, The Netherlands :-) Homepage: http://www.pi.net/~ekklesia E-Mail: ekklesia@biblenet.iwg.nl; Met vriendelijke groet, harry.schoemaker@biblenet.iwg.nl Harry ... Beter is een arme dan een leugenachtig man (Spr.19:22) --- FMailX 1.20 * Origin: Ekklesia BBS: Ook voor /uw/ hobby 010 2920931 (2:286/404) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF500002 Date: 11/03/97 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 10:58am \/To: KEITH JILLINGS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: atrc part 1 of 2 KEITH, In a message dated 11-01-97 you wrote ... > Under the European airspace definitions, VFR is prohibited in Class A > airspace. If the Controller likes your voice, he may give a SVFR > clearance. Otherwise, it's stay _out_ unless you have a full IR. Just passing on a small article... I have not been able to pass a physical for 16 years so my rules and regulations are not current. U.S. and European still differ.... What not post something more up to date? The conference needs the support,,, -=* Jim Sanders *=- === * MsgView V1.13 [R028] * Happy is the child whose father died rich. --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF500003 Date: 11/03/97 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 02:22pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: News-831 U.S.-Danish controversy over landing field laid to rest COPENHAGEN - November 3, 1997 11:05 a.m. EST - The Danish Defense Minister said Monday that the U.S. had asked permission of local authorities to build a new runway in Greenland, ending a controversy sparked by press reports that the U.S. had violated a 44-year-old defense treaty. "The United States has been honest, and they did not act without the knowledge of Danish authorities," Hans Haekkerup said in a radio interview, but added, "This case was treated locally (in Greenland). The ministry was not told, and neither was I." Greenland is an autonomous territory under the protection of Denmark. The U.S. has an air base there, Thule AirBase in the north- east, but Americans must comply with regulations in certain restricted areas. The issue was raised by the newspaper Berlingske Tidende, which Sunday accused the U.S. of violating a 1953 defense treaty by start- ing "preparations for a landing field in the middle of a hunting area full of walruses." U.S. authorities suspended the construction of the runway on March 10 when their soldiers were threatened by armed hunters, the newspaper reported. But Haekkerup said the U.S. had already gotten permission to build the runway outside the Thule (area) from a local liason officer. The head of Greenland's local government, Jonathan Motzfeldt, said he was "stunned, considering he had not been informed by either the Danish or the American authorities." "This issue shows that from now on the Greenlanders must have a role in the defence agreements passed between Denmark and the United States," socialist deputy Villy Soevndal said. ---------------------------------------------- Lockerbie ruling due by early March THE HAGUE - November 3, 1997 09:10 a.m. EST - The International Court of Justice said Monday it expected to rule by early March on a dispute between Libya, the United States and Britain over the trial of suspects in the Lockerbie bombing. PanAm Flight 103 exploded over the Scottish village of Lockerbie in December 1988, killing 259 on board and 11 on the ground. Britain and the U.S. blamed Tripoli for the blast and demanded the extradition of two Libyan suspects. On Oct. 22, the world court wound up eight days of hearings in the case and the judges withdrew to consider their verdict. They must decide whether the court has jurisdiction to hear a Libyan complaint against the U.S. and Britain. "The judgment concerning the preliminary objections of the United Kingdom and the United States, which is final and without appeal, will be delivered in approximately four months," the Hague court said. Libya wants the U.N. court to rule that London and Washington, backed by the U.N. Security Council, are acting unlawfully in in- sisting on the extradition of the two suspects to Britain or the United States. It has offered to hand the men over for trial in a neutral, third country -- a proposal that has won some international backing -- rather than Scotland. ------------------------ Boeing to discontinue 2 jets SEATTLE - November 3, 1997 10:28 a.m. EST -- The Boeing Co. an- nounced Monday it will phase out the MD-80 and MD-90 passenger air- craft models it inherited when it bought McDonnell Douglas. Two other McDonnell Douglas models will remain in production for now. The decision follows several months of careful market analysis, said Ron Woodard, president of Boeing Commercial Airplane Group. "Our product decisions are driven by the marketplace and our commitment to increasing shareholder value over the long term," Woodard said. The Seattle-based company said it would stop producing the MD-80 and MD-90 in 1999 when current orders are filled. Boeing will keep alive the MD-11C and the MD-95, though it said the MD-95's long-term future is uncertain. ----------------------------------------- USAir orders 400 jets - Following labor deal, carrier goes ahead with expansion plans - (Part of this is a repeat. Jim) NEW YORK -- November 3, 1997: 9:21 a.m. ET -- US Airways Monday announced it would order up to 400 new passenger jets from Europe's Airbus Industrie. The company also said it was considering the purchase of a jumbo passenger jet from either Airbus or Boeing Corp. US Airways and Airbus have signed a firm deal for 124 aircraft and options on 276 others. The first six A319 jets will be delivered in the fourth-quarter of 1998 with 15 more to follow in 1999 along with five A320s. The pace of deliveries would accelerate in the year 2000, but Airbus did not release details . The A319 seats 124 and has a range of 3,500 miles while the A320 seats 150 and has a range of 2,900 miles, both in two-class configurations. Airbus is the European jet manufacturing consortium comprised of British Aerospace Plc, Germany's Daimler-Benz Aerospace AG, a unit of Daimler-Benz AG, Aerospatiale of France and Spain's state-owned CASA. US Airways went ahead with the aircraft purchase after reaching a five-year pay deal last week with its pilots, which should allow it to better compete against its U.S. rivals. The company said the fact that the Airbus models use the same cockpit and flight systems will translate into reduced crew training and maintenance costs. The jets will be powered by CFM56 engines built by General Elec- tric and France's Snecma. Reuters news service also reported US Airways will invest $300 million in a new terminal at its hub in Philadelphia. --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF500004 Date: 11/03/97 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 06:43pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: News-832 Iraq threatens to shoot down U.S. surveillance planes UNITED NATIONS --- November 3, 1997 3:04 p.m. EST --- The U.N. Security Council was due to meet at 5 p.m. Monday for closed door talks on how to resolve the increasingly tense standoff with Iraq, which has threatened to shoot down U.S. surveillance planes as part of its ban on U.S. weapons inspectors. U.S. ambassador to the U.N. Bill Richardson responded by saying that "we consider that irresponsible and unacceptable, and a direct aggressive act against the U.N." Iraqi ambassador to the U.N. Nizar Hamdoon said in a letter to the U.N. that Iraq expects "military aggression" against it by the United States. "Therefore the entry of an American spy plane into Iraq's skies cannot be accepted. We, therefore demand you to cancel the U-2 flights scheduled for November 5 and 7, 1997," the letter stated. The U-2 reconnaissance planes fly at an altitude of about 60,000 feet, within range of Iraqi missiles. The next scheduled flyover is set for Thursday. The U.S. military was reportedly considering whether to send up fighter planes to protect the U-2 aircraft. "The U.N. Security Council should be prepared to take firm action to bring about Iraqi compliance in the event they don't change their mind in the next day or so," U.S. State Department spokesman James Rubin said in a briefing. "Saddam Hussein should change his mind and allow the U.N. to do its job," Rubin said. ------------------------------------------------------------------- GE Buying Lockheed Units BETHESDA, Md.- Nov. 3 - Aerospace company Lockheed Martin Corp. said on Monday it would sell some businesses to General Electric Co. in exchange for $2.8 billion of Lockheed preferred stock held by GE. Lockheed said it would transfer to GE its Access Graphics unit, a computer hardware distributor in Boulder, Colo.; its Lockheed Mar- tin Aerostructures unit, a Middle River, Md.-based company that makes thrust reversers for GE and Pratt & Whitney aircraft engines; and its stake in Globalstar, a partnership of telecommuinications service providers and equipment manufacturers. Lockheed will also pay GE "an amount of cash necessary to equal- ize the value of the exchange." The amount was not specified. GE said it expects to record a gain of more than $1 billion on the transaction. Lockheed said it would have a gain of more than $300 million. Corporate Vision Extended GE will transfer to Lockheed all the Lockheed Series A preferred stock it acquired in 1993 when the former Martin Marietta Corp. ac- quired GE Aerospace. The stock, convertible into 29 million Lockheed common shares, is valued at $2.83 billion, based on Lockheed's $97.75 share price Monday morning. "The transfer of businesses to GE advances Lockheed Martin's on- going portfolio-shaping activities and accomplishes a significant reduction in outstanding common shares, thereby enhancing shareholder value," Lockheed Chief Executive Vance Coffman said in a statement. Lockheed said the deal with GE, which it expects to close before year-end, means it will account for its Northrop Grumman Corp. acqui- sition as a purchase instead of a pooling of interests. Under the purchase method, Lockheed will have to write off the acquisition's goodwill, or intangible assets, over time. Some ana- lysts see this as a drag on a company's balance sheet. Lockheed expects to complete the Northrop deal in the first quarter of 1998. GE said the businesses it is acquiring and the financial gain it expects will strenghten its operations. A Cozy Fit GE Chairman John Welch said in a statement that "the gain from this transaction will give us the opportunity to restructure our industrial businesses to position them for the global competition in the next decade." Wall Street seemed to applaud the deal. Lockheed's stock gained $2.94 to $98, and GE gained $2 to $66.56. Lockheed said it would transfer to GE the stock of a newly formed subsidiary comprising Access Graphics, Lockheed Martin Aerostructures, the Globalstar stake, and the cash. Lockheed termed this a "spin-off" of the businesses. --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1)