--------------------- --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF300009 Date: 10/31/97 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 06:13am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: News-826 Six killed in Illinois plane crash NEW BERLIN, Ill. - October 30, 1997 7:34 p.m. EST -- A private plane crashed in a cornfield Thursday, killing all six men on board, authorities said. The plane was owned by a private construction company, said Sheriff Neil Williamson, who declined to identify the company. It crashed about a half-mile from homes and about 150 feet from a highway. No one on the ground was hurt. "We talked to witnesses who actually saw the plane come out of the clouds and come in a tailspin and basically just pancake into the cornfield," Williamson said. -------------------------------- Air Force cleans up fuel spill at Elmendorf ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- October 30, 1997 10:28 p.m. EST -- Cleanup crews have mopped up about 60 percent of an estimated 50,000 gallons of jet fuel that poured out of a pipeline rupture at Elmendorf Air Force Base, an official said Thursday. The spill, discovered Tuesday, came just weeks after a similar incident in early September that leaked 5,600 gallons from the same 40-year-old underground fuel line. However, the two fuel spills are believed to be unrelated, Elmendorf spokesman Sgt. Michael Jones said. September's spill resulted from a corroded joint, while this week's spill resulted from a pipeline rupture, Jones said. "The causes of the two breaks are totally different," he added. So far, crews have recovered 33,000 gallons of the fuel that leaked out of the pipeline break, found to be three feet long when workers unearthed the trouble spot, Jones said. The Air Force was trying to select an environmental contractor to remove the rest of the spilled fuel, he said. He said the extent of environmental damage was unknown but added: "I'm sure there has been (some), because there's been fuel spilled." Cleanup of some of the fuel, which spread out near the tarmac, was made easier by the winter conditions, he said. "Because the ground is pretty hard and pretty much forzen, that's been a big help," he added. == --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF300010 Date: 10/31/97 From: JIM DUNMYER Time: 08:34pm \/To: JIM DAWSON (Read 0 times) Subj: DIESEL ENGINES > No info yet of cold weather starting but I would certainly think > that situation has to be provided for, Probably means glow plugs or > an ether injection system. Otherwise, it will not meet the needs of Diesel engines have been used in automotive applications for many years, and it's not generally that tough to get 'em started in reasonable weather. My VW Diesels will not have problems down to at least 10 degrees F, sometimes colder. I usually plug in the block heater if it'll be below 15 in the morning, necessary or not. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Telnet toltbbs.com or call 313-854-6001, Boardwatch #55 (1:234/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF300011 Date: 11/01/97 From: CRAIG GENHEIMER Time: 03:06pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Passing I had not seen it mentioned anywhere and wanted to make sure it was known. Two more unfortunate aviation related mishaps have resulted in the loss of some fairly well known pilots. First on Tuesday Oct. 21st Ken Hadden of Worthington, Ohio in his new Extra 200 Second on Friday Oct. 24th Randy Gagne' in California in an Extra 300. I really do not know any details other than the fact the accidents claimed their lives. Craig *-->Sleep is a totally inadequate substitute for caffeine. --- KBBS vZ.20p (#ARI-00092) * Origin: Craig's Place Columbus, Ohio(1:226/700) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF300012 Date: 11/01/97 From: LOUIS HOLLEMAN Time: 10:43am \/To: KEITH JILLINGS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Commercial Pilots flying In a message of 30 Oct 97 Keith Jillings (2:257/71.10) wrote to Elvis Hargrove: Hi Keith (and Elvis), EH>> Now, see if you can ascertain why participation has dropped EH>> off in the REST of the European sector. It's hard for me to push EH>> those buttons from way over here! KJ> You don't go for easy assignments, do you! I've seen one mail item KJ> (in Dutch/Flemish) so there is some European linkage working outside KJ> the UK. I wonder if whatever disconnected the UK also did the same KJ> for everywhere else in Europe. Disconnected??? When??? As far as I can see, we haven't been disconnected at all. I might have been missing a few things here, but I still have a regular flow here. Things are a bit irregular sometimes, when I get no Fidostuff at all for 2 or 3 days, then the next day there's a bunch of it. If you're talking about after the infamous mail bomb, I still see sometimes postings from Eric and Hubert from Belgium. That's about it from Europe, as far as I can recall. And you, of course... KJ> _SO_, _Europeans_, _if_ _you_ _are_ _receiving_ _this_ _echo_ . . . KJ> _please_ _send_ _a_ _mail_ _to_ _say_ _so_. Well, I'm still here Keith, but is this msg coming your way too??? CU NeXT msg Louis LHFG: Man who like japanese sweeties must have big hald disk, tluecolol cald and big monitol, plus many many yen! --- IOS-Mail 0.91pl9 eta * Origin: Fly BEARBOARD, *the* Atari BBS in Holland! (2:286/503.81) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF300013 Date: 11/01/97 From: KEITH JILLINGS Time: 03:36pm \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Atrc part 1 of 2 Wednesday, 29 October 1997 Jim Sanders wrote to All JS> I thought this short and concise article on the Air Traffic JS> Control system would benefit those beginners who are not more JS> experienced with the system. Looks good -- but isn't it based on the "old" airspace definitions? In Europe, all the various national peculiarities have been done away with, and there's a uniform system of airspace Class A thru Class G. Rules are pretty much the same in all EU countries (not _exactly_ the same -- that's too much to hope for!). JS> VFR flight is permitted in all JS> airspaces, but terminal control areas require positive (radar) air JS> traffic control. Under the European airspace definitions, VFR is prohibited in Class A airspace. If the Controller likes your voice, he may give a SVFR clearance. Otherwise, it's stay _out_ unless you have a full IR. Greetings from Keith Jillings .!. People have one thing in common, they're all different. --- Terminate 5.00/Pro *Ancient* *user* * Origin: Keith's Point (amen@earthling.net) (2:257/71.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF300014 Date: 11/01/97 From: JIM DAWSON Time: 07:17pm \/To: JIM DUNMYER (Read 0 times) Subj: DIESEL ENGINES My neighbor across the street (railroad engineer) has a VW diesel and it seems he always has a 110 VAC power cord out to the car. It still doesn't start very well even in warm weather. I would suspect either bad glow plugs or a fuel system in need of attention. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: The Grotto - Arvada, CO (303) 421-7186 V.32bis (1:104/251) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EF300015 Date: 10/31/97 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 05:52pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: News-827 Plane with N.Y. governor makes emergency landing ROCHESTER, N.Y. - October 31, 1997 1:34 p.m. EST -- Exhaust fumes seeped into the cabin of the state airplane that Gov. George Pataki was flying on Friday but it landed safely and there were no injuries, officials said. The crew on the six-passenger King Air plane reported "some type of fire or smoke in the cabin" after the plane lost cabin pressure on a flight from Buffalo, said Terry Slaybaugh, director of Rochester International Airport. The plane was almost to its Rochester destination at the time the problem came up, and it landed without incident as emergency crews stood by. The 22-year-old aircraft was given to the state as surplus this spring by the U.S. Army. The state made about $80,000 in improve- ments to it. It was the second transportation mishap for Pataki this year: In January, he spent the night in a hospital as a precaution after a truck ran broadside into his chauffeured car. The truck driver was ticketed. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Halloween fog delays presidential trip ANDREWS AIR FORCE BASE, Md. - October 31, 1997 09:52 a.m. EST - Even President Clinton must obey Mother Nature. Air Force One was socked in by fog Friday, setting the president's schedule back by more than two hours. Marine One, the president's helicopter which took Clinton from the White House, had to make two passes at Andrews Air Force Base before it could see the runway well enough to land. The fog, which rolled in suddenly at the base along the Potomac River, was so thick that a truck which guides Marine One couldn't see the helicopter and two vehicles had to use radios to communicate. With the president planning a full day of events in south Flor- ida, White House aide Kris Engskov said the delay would probably interfere with plans for a presidential golf outing. "He's painfully aware of that," Engskov said.