--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBX00003 Date: 07/27/97 From: MARK FOSTER Time: 11:25am \/To: CHRISTOPHER TARANA (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Aircraft Carriers Circa 1950 <- Christopher Tarana talked to Mark Foster, and Look What Happened! -> MF> Yeeek.. Crusaders are a tad old? CT> That's what I've been looking for, Pre-F4 Phantom era. :-) Not my field then i'm afraid ;) But i'll do my best... MF> ---- CT> Aww! Heheheh i'm sowwy.... MF> Hmmmmm..... not quite accurate but pretty damned close ;) Umm MF> everythings gone to the F-18 Hornet now, and all classes carry at MF> least one C-2 Greyhound as far as i'm aware... or I thought so anyway. CT> They probably do when in range of friendly bases, but they CT> might forego them in blue water operations. Hmmm you reckon?... yeah *maybe*. You'd usually need at least 4 E-2C aircraft on board, so Id imagine fitting an extra C-2 might be a problem... but by the same token they'll quite often need a cargo carry capacity... MF> More often than not its a land-to-ship hop theyre doing not MF> viceversa. CT> Gotta have the mail! :-) Nach! :) And ferry the bigwigs... CT> was another class of carrier after the war, nicknamed the C-F(?) class CT> that might have been a WWII carrier with an add-on angled flight deck, MF> I must remember to look on the internet.. I used to have material on MF> carriers but its walked on me :( CT> Those other carriers were the 27C modification of existing CT> WWII hulls, the modification involved adding an angled flight deck for CT> the new jets that came on the scene. Other carriers (or classes) I've CT> seen mentioned were the Independence (1959), Ranger (1957), Saratoga CT> (1956), Forrestal (1955), and the Midway (1944). The Coral Sea (1947) CT> was used for training and other "contingencies". Yeah.. I have heard of most of them ;) Ummm wasnt the Forrestal still used for training or something? CT> So far I haven't found any print references to examine, but CT> hopefully this week I can find the time to hit up the main library and CT> see what I can find. Id be interested to see ;) <----------------- Mark Foster, Moderator NZ_AMRAD ------------------> | blakjak@ihug.co.nz - ZL1VMF - "Prepare for War, Strive for Peace" | <---------- SysOp, Sidewinder BBS, 3:772/210 @ fidonet.org ----------> ... If I was human I would..Wait a minute! I AM Human ~~~ ReneWave v1.01 [NR] --- Squish/386 v1.11 * Origin: Sidewinder! Your Military Info BBS. 649-267-3546 (3:772/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBX00004 Date: 07/27/97 From: MARK FOSTER Time: 11:25am \/To: GEORGE SCHULTZ (Read 0 times) Subj: MARSA <- George Schultz talked to Mark Foster, and Look What Happened! -> MF>Hi's all... MF>And as curiousity, can anyone tell me what MARSA is? (I know, just >curious to know if it really exists) GS> It stands for "Military Assumes Responsibility for Separation of GS> Aircraft." It's used when formations are flying and the aircraft are GS> closer together than normal ATC separation procedures will allow. Heheh I knew it.. ;) Was just confirming that the term actually existed. <---------------- Mark Foster, SysOp Sidewinder BBS ---------------> | blakjak@ihug.co.nz - 3:772/210 @ fidonet.org | < Callsign ZL1VMF - "Prepare for War - Strive for Peace" > ... Tower: "Say position." Pilot: "Position." ~~~ ReneWave v1.01 [NR] --- Squish/386 v1.11 * Origin: Sidewinder! Your Military Info BBS. 649-267-3546 (3:772/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBX00005 Date: 07/27/97 From: DAVID KIRSCHBAUM Time: 10:24am \/To: GRAHAM DRUMMOND (Read 0 times) Subj: Aircraft Carriers Circa > The Skyhawk was introduced around the same time as the Phantom, > or earlier, but another ground attack aircraft (enormous radial > piston engine) was flown before then. I forget its name but > they were used very successfully for close support during the > Vietnam War. (Skyraider perhaps?) Yep, Skyraider. Spad. A-1E. There was a novel about Navy carrier ops during the Korean War that described how the carrier skipper was having difficulties docking (no tugs?), and he had to use the tied-down piston fighters on his deck as a kind of side-acting propeller. The fighters were cranked up (sitting on the deck), and their engines pulled or pushed the carrier laterally. And the "owner" of those aircraft (forget his title, not being a Navy type) was gnashing his teeth at what they were doing to his precious radial gines. I wonder if those were A-1E's as well. I doubt any _other_ piston fighter-bombers were flying off carriers by then. Any Corsairs left were probably all with the Marines and flying off land bases? --- * Origin: Toad Hall (1:3634/48.16) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBX00006 Date: 07/27/97 From: UWE WOLFRAM Time: 09:03pm \/To: KEN NOTT (Read 0 times) Subj: Dayton Hi Ken! KN> Museum says it has acquired a Russian Bear, and intends to put it nose KN> to nose with a B-52 in the yet to be constructed Cold War Hangar. Really? That'll be worth for me going back there again! Too bad that it's so far off the beaten track. KN> As usual, it was indeed wonderful to see my old favourites there; KN> Fitz Fulton's XB-70 will always awe me, and the 2 Blackbirds quietly KN> loom on guard in separate hangars. Did they move the B-70 so that it is not blocked from view anymore by all that other stuff standing and hanging around? When I've been there it was impossible to take a picture of her without having some other aircraft parts in front of the lens. Uwe --- CrossPoint v3.02 R * Origin: in the bottom of the cellar (2:2453/30.205) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBX00007 Date: 07/27/97 From: NAT POTTER Time: 08:59am \/To: MARK FOSTER (Read 0 times) Subj: Black Box to Cops? MF>Recently a court in New Zealand decreed that the Black Box Recording MF>of a domestic crash a couple of years ago be given over to the police MF>for the purpose of investigating possible criminal charges against MF>the aircrew for negligence or somethingorother... there was a hellova MF>lot of question about whether the aircrew were a little .. whats the MF>word.. damn its slipped... 'slack' about their conduct on the flight. MF>This decision has made pilots all over start questioning the validity MF>of the IVR as they believed only air accident investigators would MF>ever hear them... I had heard some thing about in the news in passing? So it's true MF>Some domestic pilots in NZ have elected to disable them during flight MF>as its not actually compulsary for domestic flights... MF>What are the opinions of the readers? I think it's going to cause an uproar here in the states!!!!! I suspect that a lot of CVRs will be disabled just for that reason. Hope not??? and.... 08:59AM 07/27/97 =*= KASIYH & HAGWW!!!! Bro Nap *:-<) * CMPQwk 1.42 1395 *DON'T TAILGATE OR I'LL FLUSH! --- QScan/PCB v1.16b / 01-0075 * Origin: PSL Online Houston, TX 713-442-6704 @psl-online.com (1:106/6256) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBX00008 Date: 07/27/97 From: ELVIS HARGROVE Time: 11:18pm \/To: JIM DAWSON (Read 0 times) Subj: AVIATION - GENEALOGY -> I have been getting geneology messages mixed with aviation for -> several days. Jim, you need to contact your SysOp about it. He should be chasing down the cross-connect. IF it doesn't clear up soon, let ME know in netmail and I'll pursue it. ^..^ Moderator AVIATION --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: BOO! Board Of Occult, Rio Grande Valley Texas (1:397/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBX00009 Date: 07/26/97 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 06:43am \/To: RICHARD BRICE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: aviation - genealogy RICHARD, In a message dated 07-24-97 you wrote ... > Is there anyone else receiving Genealogy messages on the AVIATION Board? > > I'm getting about 50/50 split between the two on the AVIATION BOARD. I carry Genealogy and have not problem with it in the Aviation section. My mail tosser handles the two fines. Check with message to your sysop. -=* Jim Sanders *=- === * MsgView V1.13 [R028] * Where were you when the blivot hit the Ball Turret? --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBX00010 Date: 07/26/97 From: JIM SANDERS Time: 06:43am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: landing the gooney ELVIS, In a message dated 07-24-97 you wrote ... > -> Hope you've been well Elvis. > > Good as can be expected, as old and cranky as *I* am! And yourself? > > We sure are glad to have you back, and hope your connection holds. You youngsters complaining about age???? -=* Jim Sanders *=- === * MsgView V1.13 [R028] * First Liar hasn't got a chance! --- DB 1.39/004487 * Origin: Volunteer BBS (423) 694-0791 V34+/VFC (1:218/1001.1)