--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBF00011 Date: 07/10/97 From: DEREK WAKEFIELD Time: 06:23pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: B-24 Greetings... I'm forwarding this on the behalf of a friend who is seeking out information on a plane his dad flew in back in the late 40's. Anyone who has ANY info what-so-ever, including places to contact, please respond here or via internet e-mail. Thanks... Derek iscandar@chatter.com ---8<---[ Begin Transmission ]---- Here is all the information I currently have on my Fathers aircraft. Tail number 216, bumble bee nose art, I do not know what this represents at this time) BOMBER was assigned to either the 15th or 18th Bomber groups. This plane was based out of a small field North of London. This Field had both B-24s and Fighter planes stationed there, I am particularly interested in the time period of 3-14-46 to 3-13-49. this is the period of time my father was in the AAF. What rotation period he was there I do not know. I do know that my dad mentioned that he participated in the Berlin Airlift just after the war ended, but I can't be sure because he never talked about it. I also know that he was a waist gunner and sometimes top gunner on the ac. Also if any body remembers serving with Mr Alvin Robert Cook known as Bob or if anybody has any pictuers of the plane or knows the whereabouts of it any and all history stories or any information at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help. Hermit. hermit@chatter.com ---8<----[ End Transmission ]----- --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Network Dynamics Metro 817.243.7493 (1:393/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBF00012 Date: 07/10/97 From: JIM DAWSON Time: 10:09am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 0 times) Subj: RE: ACADEMY CRASH Only a major lack of fondness for the BT-13! --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: The Grotto - Arvada, CO (303) 421-7186 V.32bis (1:104/251) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBF00013 Date: 07/08/97 From: GRAHAM JOHNSON Time: 12:58am \/To: RICHARD BRICE (Read 0 times) Subj: RE: TWA 800 -=> Quoting Richard Brice to Jim Sanders <=- RB> There is a vent system to ambient air. You might recall the PAA 707 RB> out of Philly that was hit by lightening, it blew up and as I recall RB> the vent system was what caused the fuel to ignite. I have always wondered why this is so. I would design it so as the vacuum was replaced by an inert gas. # Ooh! BBS London 0181-395-3108 / 1028 # # ~ Internet gj@ooh.dircon.co.uk ~ # # Fidonet 2:254/233 | BBSNet 405:100 # ... Danger, Richard Brice! Off-topic messages! Danger! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- ViaMAIL!/WC4 v1.30 * Origin: Ooh! MultiLine BBS, London. 0181-395-3108 (2:254/233) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBF00014 Date: 07/08/97 From: KEITH JILLINGS Time: 10:12am \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: twa 800 Wednesday, 2 July 1997 Jim Sanders wrote to Richard Brice JS> I am still of the opinion that it was a terrorist act. JS> (personal) but they can not find what ignighted the fuel... and to JS> best of knowledge never will. There was a long documentary about it on BBC TV here last night. Interviews with the NTSB Chief, FAA, a TWA VP, and various others. Mostly dodging the issue. FAA guy said "The value of one human life is measured as 2.75 million dollars." Scared me! NTSB reckoned something ignited air-fuel vapour in the center tank. Lots of folks wanted the center tank inerted, but the cost was thought too high. Others wanted it always full of fuel (seems pointless!). Indications were that the NTSB thought the air conditioning unit, mounted under the center tank, may have failed/overheated. But nobody would say for definite sure. Didn't leave me very confident that the FAA or the airlines would tackle a safety issue if it was going to cost the $20 billion the NTSB reckoned it would cost to fix this one. NTSB has made several recommendations about this accident, but the FAA is still "considering" them, and TWA at least doesn't think them "appropriate". Inevitably, the report on TV was "journalistic", but with experts speaking and giving their views. May have been distorted -- I don't know enough about the circumstances to tell. Greetings from Keith Jillings (2:257/71.10) .!. Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever... --- Terminate 4.00/Pro * Origin: Keith's Point (amen@earthling.net) (2:257/71.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBF00015 Date: 07/08/97 From: KEITH JILLINGS Time: 10:20am \/To: MURRAY WALLACE (Read 0 times) Subj: BAC-111 Wednesday, 2 July 1997 Murray Wallace wrote to Jim Cole JC>> The Co-Jocks especially liked having the Steering on their side JC>> also. Your leg, your steering. MW> Must have been a Brit C of A requirement. The Viscount and MW> Vanguard had the same set-up. Don't think so. Boeings and others over here weren't modified in that way. I think it was just the way the UK manufacturers (remember them?) liked to do it. Greetings from Keith Jillings (2:257/71.10) .!. I'm spending a year dead for tax purposes. --- Terminate 4.00/Pro * Origin: Keith's Point (amen@earthling.net) (2:257/71.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBF00016 Date: 07/08/97 From: KEITH JILLINGS Time: 10:23am \/To: MARK FOSTER (Read 0 times) Subj: Greetings. Thursday, 3 July 1997 Mark Foster wrote to All MF> Greetings all... MF> Callsign ZL1VMF Greetings to thee! Keith G3OIT .!. Corect me if I'm wrong, everybody else does. --- Terminate 4.00/Pro * Origin: Keith's Point (amen@earthling.net) (2:257/71.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBF00017 Date: 07/09/97 From: BILL WUNSCH Time: 03:40pm \/To: JIM SANDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: academy crash Greetings, Jim! On 08 Jul 97, Jim Sanders entered the following ASCII codes for the express viewing pleasure of Elvis Hargrove: JS> JS> Gunter Field (Montgomery, AL) had a cemetary of RAF cadets JS> that the BT-13 put there. I guess that they were later moved home. Seems to me that I read somewhere that is was British tradition for military personel to be buried where they have fallen. Or maybe my mind is playing tricks again... -==- --- GoldED/386 2.42.G0615+ * Origin: Bill's Point -=- Regina, Sask, Canada (1:140/23.464) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBG00000 Date: 07/10/97 From: STANLEY LONG Time: 07:34am \/To: RAY HARKNESS (Read 0 times) Subj: Flyers... > Hi Stanley, I was part of an International Air Cadet Exchange with the > CAP in 1966. Spent 5 weeks on air bases through out California. > . . . > and many other interesting places. Needless to say we gave CAP exchange > cadets a good time when they visited New Zealand over the next several > years. Is the exchange still operating ? -=RH=- . > Yes, Civil Air Patrol still does the cadet exchange. We are looking for CAP folks to bunk visiting cadets here in Anchorage during August. You folks must be doing something right; the New Zealand trip rates very high on the list of "best" destinations. It is rather tough to get on that team, either as a cadet or as senior escort! BTW, Anchorage International must see lots of you folks passing through, and I could sure arrange to show you off among the cadets. We mostly meet Monday evenings, but special activities are welcome. | AmiQWK 2.9 - FREEWARE | ... --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Anchorage Hub - Anchorage, AK - V.34+ - (1:3550/500.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBG00001 Date: 07/10/97 From: RICHARD BRICE Time: 04:33pm \/To: JIM COLE (Read 0 times) Subj: WINDMILL STARTS I'm going to guess on the approximate date, somewhere around 1968. And yes, It was an American Airlines B-707, this I am positive about. It may not have been a scheduled stop, they may have lost one and landed here. I'll bet there is someone on the Board who may have an exact date. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: The Grotto - Arvada, CO (303) 421-7186 V.32bis (1:104/251) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 196 AVIATION Ref: EBG00002 Date: 07/10/97 From: RICHARD BRICE Time: 04:47pm \/To: TONY PATON (Read 0 times) Subj: SCENARIO Many, many years ago when I was a Cadoodler in the Navy Air Corp, we flew he N2S Stearman at Primary. We had a small field procedure as I think they called it, but we trained so that no matter where we lost the engine we could make it back into the field on the duty runway. Downwind it was a normal procedure by staying in close on base. Going upwind we would make an "S" Turn back to a close in Base and then normal glide to a landing. What I am saying is this, never turn your back on the runway. "S" turns are very handy, not only with a small aircraft but also the Big One's. Example: No. 2 for landing at Los Angeles on 24-R and the tower comes and says you are to close to the landing traffic which is No. 1. It's visual and you ask, can I try some shallow "S" turns. O.K., fifteen degrees to the right and thirty degrees to the left and back to the LOC. and the seperation has been made without a go-around. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: The Grotto - Arvada, CO (303) 421-7186 V.32bis (1:104/251)