--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F5G00109 Date: 05/01/98 From: GORD CAMPBELL Time: 05:42pm \/To: JAMES BRADLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Newbie 2 NICs,Where FAQ? GC> You need to avoid port address conflicts.... JB>I had tried to pull the sound card on the system, but still had no JB>luck. I suspect another device (tape drive controller?) might have JB>been occupying the memory. Is there a diagnostics program that a guy JB>could run to look around? The short answer is, "no." I will even go so far as to assert that it is impossible to write a program which will reliably detect ports on a "classic" PC. This is why plug-and-play was invented -- and it isn't always reliable, either. In short, once the docs for an I/O card have been lost, the card becomes a source of potential conflicts. --- DeLuxe 1.25 #7680 All the best. Gord. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0150 * Origin: Pro-Mail Communications - Toronto Canada (1:250/1004) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F5G00110 Date: 05/01/98 From: ARTHUR MARSH Time: 10:35am \/To: LEONARD ERICKSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Trying to network OS/2 Warp 3 with DOS On Tue 28 Apr at 01:17 Leonard Erickson (1:105/51) wrote to All: LE> My systems are currently running Caldera DR-DOS 7.02. I'm LE> using Netware Lite to network them because 4dos 5.52 and LE> Personal Netware don't get along (and 4dos 6.x is even LE> worse). LE> I've got OS/2 Warp (red spine, no "connect"). I want to be LE> able to do peer-to-peer networking between the OS/2 LE> system(s) and the DOS system (I've got at least one LE> system that *won't* run OS/2). LE> I'd also like to be able to tie in a Unix box I "inherited" LE> and maybe a win95 box. But those are longer term goals. Install Samba on the Unix machine to enable the Unix machine to be a file server for OS/2 and Win95. The latest Samba (see http://samba.anu.edu.au) can also get files from other LAN Manager type servers (OS/2, Win95(?)) via an ftp-like command. The Win95 machine's built-in networking should be able to see the OS/2 machine running LAN Server. If you can get a 2-user version of Netware, it can install on OS/2 as a Netware server supporting 2 clients (which could be DOS, Win'95, or even a Unix with Netware client such as Unixware or Caldera OpenLinux). LE> Right now I need to at least get one system running OS/2 as LE> a client, and talking to the two DOS systems. And I LE> can't afford a lot of money. LE> :-( A Netware VLM client in a DOS session on the OS/2 machine *might* be able to "see" a Netware lite server on a DOS machine. LE> I'm running NE1000 cards (they were free!) and have a couple LE> of 3com 3c503 cards (which may or may not work). I also LE> have an Intel Etherexpress 16 card (and a transceiver so LE> I can go from the AUI port to ThinNet). Summarising: Protocol Server Client Netware Core Protocol Netware DOS, OS/2, Windows, Mac Netware for OS/2 Unixware, Caldera Open Linux Netware for Unixware Server Message Block (SMB) Windows for Workgroups DOS (with MS orkgroup aka LAN Manager Win95, WinNT, OS/2 client for DOS) Netware with (Samba for Netware) Windows, OS/2 Netware Lite / PNW DOS DOS NFS Unix DOS with PC-NFS $$$ Netware with $$$ add-on Windows with $$$ Windows NT with $$$ add-on OS/2 with $$$ Unix Hope this helps. Arthur. --- msgedsq 2.1 * Origin: Camelot Swamp MJCNA, Hawthorndene, Sth Australia (3:800/812) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F5G00111 Date: 05/01/98 From: GEORGE FLIGER Time: 07:25am \/To: JAMES BRADLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Newbie 2 NICs,Where FAQ? On 29 Apr 98 04:41am, James Bradley wrote to George Fliger: -=> Quoting George Fliger to James Bradley <=- GF> On 22 Apr 98 07:45pm, James Bradley wrote to John Donohue: JB> These NICs bore the brunt of my experimentation. The JB> two jumper options are W1, selecting I/O, IRQ, and RAM JB> address, and W2, selecting ROM address. With the W1, JB> the options include "Soft", 280, 3, D0000, or 300, 10, JB> CC000 (I/O, IRQ, RAM). W2 chooses No ROM, or D8000. I JB> hedged toward W2 on the "NONE" setting, as I don't have JB> any BIOSes for them, (seemed like a no-brainer) and I JB> was attempting all of the W1 options. My suspicion was JB> that the I/O part to the W1 equation was causing me my JB> troubles. Should I be trying to set that part of BIOS JB> memory aside (Can you tell how lost I am yet?) through JB> my MB BIOS settings? GF> Typical shared memory. I'd suggested W1 be set for 300,10,CC00. I'm GF> assuming you're setting these up on a DOS-based workstation? If so, GF> in your CONFIG.SYS on the EMM386.EXE line exclude the range of GF> CC00-CDFF. That will lock out enough for the NIC's code to install GF> properly. Many NICs used shared memory addresses so require this GF> besides any memory addresses required for Boot ROMs if present (W2). GF> Set jumper W2 to NONE since you don't have this ROM. JB> Ah... I likely didn't put _enough_ memory aside. Silly me, sees JB> a sixteen bit card and automatically jumps to conclusions. JB> When reserving 16 bits of memory didn't fix it, I thought I JB> might have been barking up the wrong tree. JB> Yes, I have been trying to run the Intel computers through JB> DOS/WfWGs. The best I own for them is OS/2 or W'95, and might JB> go to those as time permits. JB> I doubt I will use these for personal use, unless I go JB> to STP wire on the AUI connectors. The only other JB> option on these cards is to Co-Ax into their BNC JB> connectors, with so called "Thin-Net" I believe. As I JB> am planning to use TP, these cards really don't fit JB> into my plans, but I felt that they were as good a JB> place to get my feet wet as any. GF> Thin-Net or as some others call it, "CheaperNet" is typical 10Base2 GF> configuration (RG-58/U, 50 Ohm cable). JB> As I posted a couple of days ago, is TP wire (w/RJ-45 plugs in JB> case I have to distinguish) exclusive to Ethernet? Am I correct Typically, yes. Arcnet can use a similar setup (RJ-11, 2 pairs). JB> that the only way to get an ARCNet network to talk to an JB> Ethernet network is to install a card of each in one machine to JB> make a "bridge" between the two? An internal router, yes, but you usually only see this with dedicated servers such as Netware or NT. Workstations generally deal with only one cable segment unless the workstation is being set up to be a dedicated router (its only use). George ... Electrical Engineers do it with less resistance. --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Networking fun! (1:137/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F5G00112 Date: 05/01/98 From: GEORGE FLIGER Time: 07:31am \/To: MIKE BILOW (Read 2 times) Subj: WaveLAN Mike, glad to see you're back. Question for you. I have a client that is using WaveLAN cards in a 3.12 server and a dedicated router. I need to move the card from the old 3.12 server to a new 4.11 server. The client's MIS department has lost all documentation and driver software for these cards. They don't even remember where they got them or who makes them. The only identifying marks on the card(s) is a label on the back with "AT&T 3399-K602" on the label. I'm trying to track down some info on these cards in hopes that they made .LAN drivers for Netware 4.x. The current 3.12 drivers are dated in '94 so I'm hoping that they are new enough the manufacturer made drivers for both platforms. If you have any information on these cards you can pass my way I'd appreciate it. You deal with many more aspects of wireless LAN communications than I do so have probably seen, or even used, these cards. Thanks. George ... A desk is a wastebasket with drawers --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Networking fun! (1:137/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F5G00113 Date: 05/02/98 From: LEONARD ERICKSON Time: 04:15am \/To: MIKE BILOW (Read 2 times) Subj: Win 95 peer-to-peer -=> Quoting Mike Bilow to Leonard Erickson <=- LE> One of your messages had a comment about peer-to-peer LE> networking of win 95 systems being available out of the box. LE> Could you explain a bit? I've been trying to get some win 95 LE> systems at a rehab center networked, but I haven't found LE> anything helpful in the online help. LE> Obviously, I've missed *something*. But the stuff on "direct LE> cable" linking isn't *that* easy to find unless you use the LE> right search term... And I've done that. MB> I can't speak to where it's documented, but you should be able to go MB> into Control Panel, select Network, and start installing the pieces. MB> There are a number of options once you get there, and the on-line MB> "help" is a misnomer. No kidding about the "help". MB> I would recommend using some cheap Ethernet cards, probably NE2000 MB> clones widely available for about $10-25 each, preferably with both MB> coax and UTP connectors. How many machines are you trying to network? Well, for starters about 4. MB> How are they laid out physically? They are all in an alcove. You can touch one computer from the next. I *think* I got it figured out. I stuck a couple of NE1000 boards (we had about *50* donated when a business upgraded) in two of them and dug out the coax and tees we already had, from back when I first tried to get this off the ground. I won't know for sure if I did it right until Monday. Someone swiped one of the terminators and I had only had the two. :-( If it works, we can upgrade the cards later. First order of business is printer sharing. Files can come after that. And when that's working, we'll be able to see about networking the rest of the place. :-) If it doesn't work, I'll have more questions. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Shadowshack (1:105/51) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F5I00000 Date: 05/11/98 From: LEONARD ERICKSON Time: 07:03pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: LocalTalk card I've got a LocalTalk card for the PC, but no indication of manufacturer. I'm trying to ID it so I can get a driver that'll let me tie my Mac into my PCs. It's a 16-bit card, 2" tall, 6" long. There's a LocalTalk connector on the card back. The top of the card is labelled: "101030-01". There's a block of 4 jumpers: JP1 150 JP2 170 JP3 350 JP4 370 Obviously port addresses. And there's a single jumper labeled JP5 elsewhere on the card. Does this ring any bells? --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Shadowshack (1:105/51) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F5I00001 Date: 05/12/98 From: DAVID MOUFARREGE Time: 10:35pm \/To: ARTHUR MARSH (Read 2 times) Subj: Windows NT and Exchange Server Hello Arthur! AM>> What filtering/firewalling do you recommend for a network that AM>> uses NT/95 machines that is connected to the internet? Couldn't AM>> Novell's FILTRCFG from Multi Protocol Router or BorderManager do AM>> the required filtering? BorderManager is a great firewall/ proxy server. As a firewall you can't have a nicer product, plus some of the additional features, such as FastCache are really great. Its tie-in with NDS, which is now available for NT, makes for easy administration and if you employ it properly eliminates having to deal with NTs domain structures. -=David=- david@kraut.wnybbs.net TCP/IP Node from 0715GMT to 0900GMT at kraut.dyn.ml.org using Argus v3.154b ... Tact is the intelligence of the heart. --- * Origin: Kraut Haus * Rochester, NY * 716-359-0871 (1:2613/404) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F5J00000 Date: 05/14/98 From: ARTHUR MARSH Time: 09:25am \/To: WILL HARGRAVE (Read 2 times) Subj: Windows NT and Exchange Server On Tue 05 May at 21:31 Will Hargrave (2:254/211.20) wrote to Arthur Marsh: AM> What filtering/firewalling do you recommend for a AM> network that uses NT/95 machines that is connected to AM> the internet? Couldn't Novell's FILTRCFG from Multi AM> Protocol Router or BorderManager do the required AM> filtering? WH> For best security/versatility and lowest software cost, WH> Linux is ideal for firewalling. If one already has Novell's MPR with FILTRCFG or Border Manager, why add an extra box into the picture? --- msgedsq 2.1 * Origin: Camelot Swamp MJCNA, Hawthorndene, Sth Australia (3:800/812) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F5J00001 Date: 05/13/98 From: JOHN RANGER Time: 12:08pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: > A LAN on the Cheap! Hello all! I am trying make the next step to Networking by building a LAN here so that I can stop using LAP-LINK with DOS INTERLNK and pickup both speed and periferel ( howEVER it's Speeled!) sharing. I have 8 & 8/16 bit ethernet cards, Windows for Workgroups and even a 16-port UNIX machine ( which will stay in storage unless Unix Passes DOS) so what I would like to know is what could I do to bring a small network on line and make things a little more functional here. The machines here are: > A COMPAQ : SEAGATE 3295 IDE ( 272.10/269 Meg) and a MAXTOR 71004A IDE ( 1083 Meg) > Generic 386-33 with CAVIAR 340 meg IDE's A Jumbo Tape backup The IDE's all work well in the COMPAQ but this machine has about so much room in it and I am not in thge financhial position to just go out for another machine, especially when I have equipment in every direction. *********************** John RANGER *************************** --- timEd 1.10 * Origin: KBC-BBS (1:260/310.4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F5J00002 Date: 05/14/98 From: JOHN RANGER Time: 11:44am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: > A LAN on the Cheap! The Complete VER11:44:2705/14/98 Hello all! I never finished the first one so here we go again. I am trying make the next step to Networking by building a LAN here so that I can stop using LAP-LINK with DOS INTERLNK and pickup both speed and periferel ( howEVER it's Speeled!) sharing. I have 8 & 8/16 bit ethernet cards, Windows for Workgroups and even a 16-port UNIX machine ( which will stay in storage unless Unix Passes DOS) so what I would like to know is what could I do to bring a small network on line and make things a little more functional here. The machines here are: > A COMPAQ : SEAGATE 3295 IDE ( 272.10/269 Meg) and a MAXTOR 71004A IDE ( 1083 Meg) > Generic 386-33 with CAVIAR 340 meg IDE's A Jumbo Tape backup The IDE's all work well in the COMPAQ but this machine has about so much room in it and I am not in thge financhial position to just go out for another machine, especially when I have equipment in every direction. I want to be able to set up some programs to run on one computer such as 24/hr Voice Mail and or fax while Internet connections would go on a different machine. My word Processing takes a LOAD of space so That is right now split with the files I need on one machine and the word processing & Fax progams on a seconf machine. DOS INTERLNK helps but I know that I can do better. So far I havent tried running anything that runs in the background and then activating INTERLNK and from past experience, I have seen that on any computer thats networked, the drivers are all started first. What do I need besides another Ethernet card and a Router, or Must I HAVE a router? The software as I said was Windows for WorkGroups....and I hear that there is a attachment or program from Microsoft that allows DOS machines to connect IN DOS without WINDOWS running. NOVELL is Not in the budget and since the cheapest Router i have found is $35.00...thats about all i can scrape thru so anything over that...is iffy? Any thoughts Please? *********************** John RANGER *************************** --- timEd 1.10 * Origin: KBC-BBS (1:260/310.4)