--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F1C00005 Date: 01/06/98 From: GEORGE FLIGER Time: 07:07am \/To: TOM MILLER (Read 3 times) Subj: CNA On 4 Jan 98 07:44am, Tom Miller wrote to George Fliger: > BTW, when you begin the process of attaining your CNE, as soon as > you've > successfully completed both the ADMIN tests, you automatically > become a > CNA. You will not receive a certificate automatically from Novell TM> Both the CNA tests? I am confused. The study guide I am TM> working on talks about only 1 test. Probably the context is TM> either going for the CNE, or certifying for both Netware 3.12 TM> and 4.11? You misunderstand. If attempting to become a CNE, the two Admin tests (Admin and Advanced Admin) qualify the CNE as a CNA (in case you don't complete the CNE track). If you are just wanting to become CNA certified, you only take one test which is comprised of information gleaned from both the Admin and Advanced Admin tests a prospective CNE would take. Is that a bit more clear now? George ... Any device requiring service or adjustment will be least accessible. --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Networking fun! (1:137/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F1C00006 Date: 01/06/98 From: GEORGE FLIGER Time: 07:08am \/To: MIKE BILOW (Read 3 times) Subj: Thanks On 5 Jan 98 06:33am, Mike Bilow wrote to George Fliger: MB> George Fliger wrote in a message to Harry Oldenhuis: GF> In case your interested, I received a WarpCast message via GF> e-mail the other day from an individual who mentioned that GF> there are Intranetware utilities for OS/2 now available on GF> Hobbes. I forgot the name of the file but you should be GF> able to do a search of the site to find them. I understand GF> that NWADMIN is one of the native OS/2 utilities included in GF> the archive. MB> It would be pretty hard to administer the NetWare for OS/2 MB> product otherwise! True but they expected you to do that via Win-OS/2 before. Now you can go native!! :) George ... 'Home, Sweet Home' must surely have been written by a bachelor. --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Networking fun! (1:137/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F1C00007 Date: 01/06/98 From: HARRY OLDENHUIS Time: 08:22pm \/To: GEORGE FLIGER (Read 3 times) Subj: Thanks Hallo George GF> On 30 Dec 97 07:08am, Harry Oldenhuis wrote to Dennis Blackburn: GF> In case your interested, I received a WarpCast message via e-mail the GF> other day from an individual who mentioned that there are Intranetware GF> utilities for OS/2 now available on Hobbes. I forgot the name of the GF> file but you should be able to do a search of the site to find them. I GF> understand that NWADMIN is one of the native OS/2 utilities included in GF> the archive. Thank you George will look it up when I can get my New Us Robotics X2 modem to work on the Server it refuses to answer the phone but will work fine with Windows 95 Harry --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: 1985 OziWest BBs Perth 61-[08-9458-1255] (3:690/416) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F1C00008 Date: 01/06/98 From: HARRY OLDENHUIS Time: 08:29pm \/To: TOM MILLER (Read 3 times) Subj: CNA Hallo Tom > BTW, when you begin the process of attaining your CNE, as soon as > you've > successfully completed both the ADMIN tests, you automatically > become a > CNA. You will not receive a certificate automatically from Novell TM> Both the CNA tests? I am confused. The study guide I TM> am working on talks about only 1 test. Probably the TM> context is either going for the CNE, or certifying for TM> both Netware 3.12 and 4.11? A friend of mine is a Master CNE and what he did is bought some computers and set them up in the house, conecting them all together and to other systems he found by doing that you actually have hands on experiance that you dont get by reading the book I have his Novell's CNE study Guide here for netware 4.1 by David James Clarke I find it a very hard book to read having been in the computer industry since 1985 the termanoligy is not the same or what you expect to read, To me it is a very confusing book and I find doing the practical makes a lot of sense on what he is trying to tell me. If you see my Junk room you would see what I mean But finding problems that I come accross or I create I can not find the answers in the Book, but leaves only one option a total new install of the system that you could not do at a customers place or a fully functional server. I hope this helps Cheers Harry --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: 1985 OziWest BBs Perth 61-[08-9458-1255] (3:690/416) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F1D00000 Date: 01/08/98 From: MIKE BILOW Time: 11:44pm \/To: CHRIS HOLTEN (Read 3 times) Subj: NOVELL & WD 6.4GIG Chris Holten wrote in a message to George Fliger: CH> Check out Novell's stock, financial reports and sales CH> relative to *anyone* else that is any possible competition CH> to Novell and Novel's situation will become quite obvious. CH> Apparently they got left behind a long time ago George...for CH> many good reasons. Probably the major reason Novel is CH> staying alive is that "networking" is a -huge- growth market CH> and novell still has a "niche" with a very loyal following. CH> It has changed, is changing, and will continue to change CH> very rapidly. Novell doesn't have the market or product CH> position nor the technical or managerial capability to even CH> stay in the ball park with SUN, DEC, IBM, MS, or most any CH> *nix (probably including the public domain varients). There CH> is still a lot left to shake out and unless something very CH> miraculous happens, Novell will probably disappear off the CH> planet within the next 3-5, at most 10 years, simply because CH> Novell is based on a dedicated NOS which is rapidly becoming CH> obsolete methodology and is not an integrated operating CH> system nor is it reasonable that Novell could ever develop CH> it into one that could become even somewhat universal enough CH> to attract any major software development for. Several months ago, Microsoft issued a press release citing an independent research organization report to claim that NT was outselling NetWare. The research organization made a public announcement, stating that their report had been misinterpreted, and Microsoft had to apologize. The report said that NT was now selling more new installations than NetWare, where a "new" installation is defined as an enterprise without existing server-based networking. In fact, NetWare continues to sell several times more server licenses than NT, simply by selling upgrades of existing servers and additional server licenses to companies which already have networks. I don't claim to know what will happen in 10 years. In 1988, would you have been able to predict the state of the industry today? CH> But it depends on what you are doing. Most of the 11 million CH> people using NT -certainly- aren't computer illiterate fools CH> George. I find that decisions to adopt NT are made as a matter of corporate policy, often over the objection of the technical staff. I have seen a number of these things go bad, especially when the technical staff was seen as a bunch of uncooperative whiners by corporate management. In one case where I was involved personally, the IT budget had to be nearly quintupled to deal with the added hassles of an NT rollout that had no technical purpose, and which was done against the advice of the technical staff. CH> If all you need is a file/print server on a LAN with CH> cheep old 386/486 DOS workstations running mostly 16 bit DOS CH> applications (Point of sale, database etc), Novell is still CH> most likely the way to go. (But a decent Linux box with free CH> unlimited liscensing in the right situation could make a CH> pretty good replacement to a dedicated novell file/print CH> server). Linux certainly has the functional capabilities, but the maintenance and administration can be significant. You can lock NetWare servers in closets and leave them alone for months. You can't do that with Linux, although you can at least administer it remotely. With NT, you end up hiring a person to sit in front of it. CH> Anything beyond that, most any other decent CH> integrated operating system (Not just a NOS), certainly not CH> limited to, but including NT, will probably be more CH> effective and synergistic....but you have to evaluate each CH> setup. Anyone that follows blind rules ("Nobody ever got CH> fired by buying IBM" mentality) is going to be left as far CH> behind as Novell has been these past couple of years. It CH> seems to me that Novell lives on best where people figured CH> out how to make it work 3 to 10 years ago and are very leery CH> of making a change now. Many times that fear of change is CH> quite good (they know thier and thier companys limitations CH> and above all have sense enough to keep people using thier CH> computer system -productively-), some times it isn't. Above CH> all else, in a technical field one must keep an open mind CH> and abreast to changes and new ideas. How and when you CH> implement them is another story requireing considerable CH> judgement with my emphasis being that there is no pat CH> answer. OK, I'll concede that there is no pat answer. However, I think you are wrong about Novell being behind on technology. NT is still promising Active Directory, and it is still part of the Cairo upgrade that was promised for delivery in 1993! NetWare has had NDS for years, which is very good design, and it now is even available for NT networks. People who deal with managing networks in large enterprises, or even managing networks of more than a couple of dozen workstations, know better than to take NT claims seriously. What keeps people loyal to NetWare in these environments is that it works, and it works reliably. You can get the same general sorts of capabilities from Unix and DCE, but not by typing "install." CH> In all honesty, I still don't have the courage to implement CH> a freeware Linux system in many places that I could CH> effectively replace other "commercial" network servers, very CH> much including Novell. That is another discussion, but if CH> one looks 2, 5 or 10 years down the road and at the *huge* CH> progress public domain *nix operating systems have made CH> these past 3 years, it really staggers the imagination. CH> Wouldn't there be tremendous advantages to using an CH> integrated multiuser system whose source code was public CH> domain and could be implemented on most any platform? Makes CH> you wonder just what and how many "commercial" operating CH> systems are going to be around after the milennium turns. CH> For sure it ain't going to be the way it is now, and CH> Novell's continued longevity and livelyhood depends very CH> much on making things stay as much the same as they were CH> yesterday and keeping Novell as much of a sacred cow as they CH> possibly can. We've used Linux in a number of commerical situations. We use it in-house very heavily, we use it at our co-located Internet server, and we have used it as a file server in a number of installations where the situation accorded with that decision. In particular, we do a volunteer maintenance job for a Catholic high school, which obviously doesn't have much money, and two things dictated our choice of Linux: the workstations already had ARCnet cards, which would have cost at least $20 each to replace with Ethernet cards, and we didn't want to have to pay per-user licensing if it could be avoided. -- Mike --- * Origin: N1BEE BBS +1 401 944 8498 V.34/V.FC/V.32bis/HST16.8 (1:323/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F1D00001 Date: 01/09/98 From: MIKE BILOW Time: 12:19am \/To: RICHARD TOWN (Read 3 times) Subj: anyone recognise this? Richard Town wrote in a message to All: RT> A ROM jumper 16K 32K 64K NONE, WH> Boot EPROM - set to NONE. RT> Is there any advantage to sticking a lump of DRAM in there? RT> How does this "boot"? You can't put RAM in the ROM socket. The ROM socket is used to hold a special boot program that loads an operating system from a network server so it does not have to be stored on a local drive. You probably don't need is. RT> WH> That would be for the shared memory area, which this type RT> WH> of card uses, I believe. RT> Shared with what please? The card has some RAM on it, and access is shared by the card and the computer. When one has data for the other, it writes into that buffer and the other one reads it out. This is how the card works. WH> Yes, use the BNC in a bus type config rather like this: RT> OK. Then it's not possible to use this with my onboard 3COM RT> which outputs to an on-bard 8-way telephone-style socket? You can use a converter to interface BNC to RJ-45, but this would probably cost more than replacing the card. Many RJ-45 hubs have a BNC connector. -- Mike --- * Origin: N1BEE BBS +1 401 944 8498 V.34/V.FC/V.32bis/HST16.8 (1:323/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F1D00002 Date: 01/06/98 From: RICHARD TOWN Time: 08:40am \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: anyone recognise this? -=> Quoting William Hargrave to Richard Town <=- RT> WD8013EBT 16-bit edge with 15 way connector and BNC WH> WD8013 chipset cards were reasonably common. Thanks to All for all your replies! RT> A ROM jumper 16K 32K 64K NONE, WH> Boot EPROM - set to NONE. Is there any advantage to sticking a lump of DRAM in there? How does this "boot"? RT> an address jumper C4000 C8000 D0000 with a ROM size jumper (but no RT> ROM chip) WH> That would be for the shared memory area, which this type of card WH> uses, I believe. Shared with what please? RT> It has a network address sticker with 0000C0 7F1307 WH> Ethernet hardware address unique to this card by the sound of it. And that get's picked up by WfWG when installing driver? RT> Can this be used as a domestic LAN card with WfWg3.11? WH> Yes, use the BNC in a bus type config rather like this: OK. Then it's not possible to use this with my onboard 3COM which outputs to an on-bard 8-way telephone-style socket? Thanks again to you and all others who've replied... rgdZ Richard --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: Another message via PackLink +44(0)1812972486 (2:254/235) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F1D00003 Date: 01/08/98 From: GEORGE FLIGER Time: 06:05am \/To: LEE ARONER (Read 3 times) Subj: NOVELL & WD 6.4GIG On 6 Jan 98 11:16pm, LEE ARONER wrote to GEORGE FLIGER: GF> On 4 Jan 98 08:13am, Chris Holten wrote to George Fliger: CH> The point being that you can have 1 years experience 30 times CH> are 30 years experience 1 time. As rapidly as it changes with CH> small computer systems, be keerful which side of that fence you CH> have breakfast on George or you, like Novell, might get left CH> behind. GF> Well, I certainly don't think Novell is going to get left behind anytime > soon. You've been reading too much Ziff-Davis propaganda (and who > practically owns ZD advertising?). GF> Believe me, NT is nothing to write home about if you're insinuating it's > sooo much better than Novell. LA> That MS propaganda is amusing, isn't it? LA> Notice how they *always* talk in terms of the herd. It's LA> always: "Get on the Bandwagon, you don't want to be left LA> OUT, do you?". "You don't want to be doing something that LA> the Jones aren't doing, do you?" Yeah. Sounds like a bad SPAM advertisement, doesn't it? LA> Imagine the *shame* of discovering that you're not using the LA> POPULAR (insert name of your favorite deodorant, aftershave, LA> automobile, NOS, etc., etc... here). As if I really care about what the Jones' bought next door? No offense to anyone but that just leans too much towards the Democratic mindset. Don't think for yourself. Listen to us. We've got your best interest at heart. Why? Because we said so and you're too dumb to figure it out for yourself. Sorry, getting a bit off-topic there. EOT George ... Anyone who hates Dogs and Kids Can't be All Bad. --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Networking fun! (1:137/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F1D00004 Date: 01/07/98 From: BILL DENNISON Time: 06:10pm \/To: GEORGE FLIGER (Read 3 times) Subj: CNA -> You misunderstand. If attempting to become a CNE, the two Admin -> (Admin and Advanced Admin) qualify the CNE as a CNA (in case you don' That's interesting... When I talked to them, they made it seem that taking the Administration exam automatically earned a CNA, and that same test was credit towards the CNE. I guess I'll have to call Novell again... Bill D. in Phila, PA MCSE, MCPS-IS, CNA-3, CNA-4 --- ViaMAIL!/WC4 v1.30 * Origin: Fidonet * Storm Front BBS (215)788-4662 v.34+ (1:273/216) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: F1D00005 Date: 01/09/98 From: LOUIE TARPO Time: 12:48am \/To: RUNE JOHANSEN (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: subnet ip? RJ> 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (one class A network) RJ> 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (16 class B networks) RJ> 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (256 class C networks) What is the difference between class A/B/C networks? Thanks, Tim --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: The Hole In The Wall (303) 841-5515 USR V.34 (1:104/600)