--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: EBC00025 Date: 07/08/97 From: MIKE BILOW Time: 09:33am \/To: DAVE DAVIDSON (Read 5 times) Subj: Joining in... Dave Davidson wrote in a message to All: DD> With this post, A POINTLESS CONNECTION joins this echo. We're glad to have you. -- Mike Moderator, LAN --- * Origin: N1BEE BBS +1 401 944 8498 V.34/V.FC/V.32bis/HST16.8 (1:323/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: EBC00026 Date: 07/02/97 From: MIKE BILOW Time: 01:37pm \/To: JAMES HOLDERMAN (Read 5 times) Subj: Network? James Holderman wrote in a message to Mike Bilow: JH> Yau like most people assume I've got web access; as it JH> hapens I don't as I can't find a access point that is not JH> long di9stance to my area. FTP is not the web, but that's not important. You can get the free Microsoft Client for DOS from me by FReq (1:323/107) or download (+1 401 944 8498): MSCLI-1.EXE 845K 5-25-95 Microsoft Network Client for DOS (Disk 1 of 2): Allows DOS client machines to use network file and print services being provided by Windows for Workgroups, Windows/NT, or OS/2 LAN Manager servers. Supports all DOS machines including 8088. (See also MSCLI-2.EXE) MSCLI-2.EXE 282K 5-08-95 Microsoft Network Client for DOS (Disk 2 of 2): Allows DOS client machines to use network file and print services being provided by Windows for Workgroups, Windows/NT, or OS/2 LAN Manager servers. Supports all DOS machines including 8088. (See also MSCLI-1.EXE) -- Mike --- * Origin: N1BEE BBS +1 401 944 8498 V.34/V.FC/V.32bis/HST16.8 (1:323/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: EBC00027 Date: 07/02/97 From: JANET MCCAIN Time: 07:31am \/To: PAUL COTTRELL (Read 5 times) Subj: Help, please On (30 Jun 97) Paul Cottrell wrote to Janet McCain... JM> I had originally planned to buy a 3Com Office Networking Kit JM> which includes 3 NIC's, a hub and cabling - but perhaps this is JM> NOT the best way to go. PC> If you are running Win95 your choice is fine. Just plug them in and PC> give the machines identities. Use the same workgroup name on all and PC> you will be able to share files and printers which is nice. Thanks for the input - I think I am now ready to take the plunge. Janet ... jmac@bv.net http://www.bv.net/~jmac --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: My Point of View in Cocoa Beach, FL (1:374/46.14) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: EBC00028 Date: 07/02/97 From: JANET MCCAIN Time: 07:35am \/To: JOHN DONOHUE (Read 5 times) Subj: Help, please On (30 Jun 97) John Donohue wrote to Janet McCain... JD> I think that using WIN95's networking on the 3 machines you specify JD> would probably be adequate for your purposes. JD> Depending on your applications software, (i.e., your shared app is DOS JD> or Windows 3.1x based) you might want to run Windows for Workgroups or JD> even Microsoft Client for DOS on the 486 instead of Win95..... I think this is the way I will go. JM> They will probably not be on the internet, but if so, would be JM> just a PPP. JD> A dial-up on demand setup would cost you a 28.8 or 33.6 modem JD> ($150+-), a phone line for it ($30+- a month) and an account with an JD> ISP ($20-$40 a month) for the PPP connect. Already have 1 and 2, I can get 3 for $15.00 per month. JM> I know I need to add more ram but my question is about the fact JM> that the 486 is VESA, not PCI - will that cause problems, and JM> what is the workaround for that situation? JD> usually not an issue. Vesa Local Bus motherboards usually have SIMM or JD> SIPP memory slots, just like the PCI motherboards. The only possible JD> snag is if the 486 doesn't have any open ISA slots to add a network JD> card, in which case you'd have to buy a VLB network card. What my question was originally addressing (badly) was the NIC for the 486. I am sure there is an open ISA slot - there is nothing in that computer except the video card. JM> We would like to be able to accomplish this for around JM> $6500-7000 if that is not a joke. JD> It's doable. The biggest chunk of money will be buying the two Pentium JD> boxes. Upgrade the 486 to at least 16 megs. A network card for each JD> machine. I'd recommend that you use twisted pair (10baseT) cable JD> rather then Coaxial (10base2). You'll need a 10baseT hub, cable JD> segments (three of them) to go from the hub to each machine. That is what I wanted to hear - I think I am ready to bite the bullet and write up a report for the owner and see if HE is ready to go. JM> and personal satisfaction. I enjoy a challenge - I took this JD> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ JD> Do you recall what they kept telling Bel Kaufman in "Up the Down JD> Staircase"? ;-) Not offhand - refresh my memory. JD> By the time you're finished, you'll have learned quite a bit, JD> actually. I'd suggest you hit your local library and/or bookstore and JD> look at a few books on basic Local Area Networks; also any that deal JD> specifically with networking using Windows95. I have already learned quite a bit!!!! I bought one book and a LAN magazine. Have 3 more basic LAN books on reserve at the public library and I am beginning to feel I could carry on a semi-intelligent conversation with someone about LAN's. I also have a crutch. My daughter met someone who is in charge of a network at a large local business. He has offered to look over my "to-buy" list and also to be on the premises when we get ready to get everything set up. He is willing to let me do the set-up and just be there in an advisory capacity. He must be a diplomat, too - he understand's about old ladies' egos. Thank you so much for looking all this over and answering my questions. I have run into some really great "computer people" over the years. Janet ... jmac@bv.net http://www.bv.net/~jmac --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: My Point of View in Cocoa Beach, FL (1:374/46.14) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: EBC00029 Date: 07/01/97 From: JIM HENRY Time: 08:10pm \/To: BILL DENNISON (Read 5 times) Subj: DOS CLient advice? Hello Bill, BD>You'll probably (most definitely) end up re-installing the NT Server >software as a PDC on the server. MS's exams deal heavily with trust >relationships and choosing the proper domain model.... Understood. I've already had all my MCSE classes and 99% of it involved Domain models rather than workgroups. I've already taken and passed Net Essentials and I'd say the same held true for that exam. However, a friend who works in the field installing NT networks for small businesses, says that 99% of what he deals with are Workgroups in the real world, not the domain model, and advised me to setup a workgroup instead. I guess I'll setup a domain model next though. BD>You are absolutely right to run Memmaker (if you don't have QEMM) but if >you also have QEMM then their Optimize is a much better program. I'd >look into either disabling the disk cache to see if it opens up enough >memory to allow DV and the BBS to load; trimming down the PATH and other >variables in the AUTOEXEC; and changing the client settings. The >MS-NET client operates in two modes - there's a 100k (10k vs 110k) >difference; if you're using the full client with only the workgroup you >can 'downgrade' to the basic client and still logon. The full client >allows for domain logins, and has improved buffers for network >traffic..... Sad to say, no matter how much RAM you throw at a DOS >machine, you're gonna have to deal with the 640k conventional memory >limit. Well I really don't want to dis-able my disk cache if I can help it. Any idea how to change the dos client from memory hog to small mode? Thanks for the advice! * 1st 2.00 ~ The Bill of Rights...the REAL Contract with America --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Information Services 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: EBC00030 Date: 07/02/97 From: CHARLES MILLER Time: 08:42am \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 5 times) Subj: Networking RE: Networking BY: Robert White to All on Fri Jun 27 1997 05:36 pm > All, > > Does anyone know what the maximum transfer speed of RG-58 Co-ax is? > > Regards, > - SHoCK > 10Mbs. Charles ...Not tonight, dear. I have a modem. --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.22 * Origin: System Shock: 805-659-5733 & 805-647-7582 (1:206/2406) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: EBC00031 Date: 07/02/97 From: SCOTT PARKS Time: 06:13am \/To: PHIL QUINTON (Read 5 times) Subj: Remote Modem Phil Quinton wrote in a message to All: PQ> Hi, I am setting up two machines. Both will run Win95. I PQ> want to set up a modem server. Machine 2 is going to be the PQ> modem server and Machine 1 will use the modem on Machine 2 PQ> in Dos and Windows. PQ> How would I do this over a two machine network, Cheaply? I almost got this type of arrangement working for an ISP dialup with a Proxy Server (WIN Proxy I believe) ..... but the server was very slow and seemed to get confused. I never figured out if it was a software bug or just too much for 95 on a DX266. The idea is that you have an internal net and then the server has "a second network card" -- the modem. Since the Proxy Server requires an IP address and PPP connects .... I don't know that it could be used for general modem use, FAX ... etc. Scott Parks sparks@helix.eskimo.com --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: Helix BBS - Support National Public Radio (1:343/70) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: EBC00032 Date: 07/02/97 From: JOHN DONOHUE Time: 04:49pm \/To: JANET MCCAIN (Read 5 times) Subj: Help, please JM> and personal satisfaction. I enjoy a challenge - I took this JD> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ JD> Do you recall what they kept telling Bel Kaufman in "Up the Down JD> Staircase"? ;-) JM> Not offhand - refresh my memory. Whenever she was handed some impossible situation, and pointed out to Administration that it was such (i.e., "the board policy is that this type of class should have a student/teacher ratio of 15 to 1. I have 35 students, no teacher's aide, and only 30 desks in the room."), she was told "Let that be a challenge to you". Working with networks feels like that sometimes..... ;-) --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: McAllen Memorial Library FidoNet (1:397/5258) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: EBC00033 Date: 07/02/97 From: JAMES HOLDERMAN Time: 09:13pm \/To: MIKE BILOW (Read 5 times) Subj: Network? MB>the free Microsoft Client for DOS from me by FReq MB>(1:323/107) or download (+1 401 944 8498): MB>MSCLI-1.EXE 845K 5-25-95 Microsoft Network Client for DOS (Disk 1 of 2): MB> Allows DOS client machines to use network file and print services being provided by Windows for Workgroups, Windows/NT, or OS/2 LAN Manager servers. Supports all DOS machines including 8088. MB>MSCLI-2.EXE 282K 5-08-95 Microsoft Network Client for DOS (Disk 2 of 2): Allows DOS client machines to use network file and print services being provided by Windows for Workgroups, Windows/NT, or OS/2 LAN Manager servers. Supports all DOS machines including 8088. MB>-- Mike Bong (Light over hear, Slap self in fore head (VBG)). Okay as I understand it your saying that I can request those files from you. right? If that is the case then can you send them attached to a file via internet to Jimho@chatter.com so that we don't have to mess with fido's loosing files? ___ X SLMR 2.1a X Never give your keyboard your cup of coffee. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Network Dynamics Metro 817.243.7493 (1:393/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: EBC00034 Date: 07/02/97 From: GREG MACLELLAN Time: 08:29am \/To: MIKE BILOW (Read 5 times) Subj: Internet Via Network? MB> This sounds like a cable modem. If so, he will get MB> only one IP address and have to set up one machine as MB> an IP masquerader. Probably the best way to do this is MB> to use Linux as the IP router, since it has MB> masquerading capabilities built in and can do other MB> handy things such as mail and DNS. Okay.. MB> Unless the provider MB> is assigning a static IP address, which cable modems MB> never do, running an inbound mail server directly will MB> be impossible. Actually, they said they weren't going to, but him and another guy say they've both had the same IP address for the last couple months. Apparently there was trouble on the cable server with assigning dynamic IP's, so they switched to static IP's. MB> There are other options, such as WinGate under Windows MB> 95, but these have limitations and are usually not MB> free. I know of nothing that will make a NetWare MB> server act as an IP masquerader directly. can't you just use one IP between more than one machine..? InJoy for os/2 is a dialer designed to let you access it over a lan (ie you connect on one machine,and other machines can use the same connection) .. I think it just uses the one IP. ttyl, greg --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: * Chaos BBS * 6i3.389.O8i6 * Kingston, ON! (1:249/174)