--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: DCD00017 Date: 08/08/96 From: TORE HANSEN Time: 09:38am \/To: SCOTT PARKS (Read 7 times) Subj: WIN95 NETWORK INSTALL PAC Hello SCOTT, on 08-03-96 you wrote to LEW MURRAY about WIN95 NETWORK INSTALL PAC: SP> Any idea what the 10+ disk (service pack) is that is on MS's SP> FTP site? LM> But it is fairly easy to find on the web page. Can't you LM> get it there? SP> Yes ... that's where I saw it but the descriptions are vague and SP> all the same. Kinda' assume it's a "fix-pack" for WIN95 but ... ? The service pack for Windows 95 fixes a number of bugs on the CD-ROM release (by replacing practically all the executables), and essentially brings your installation up to Windows 96 (there is a separate Win 95 patch library that actually replaces the opening slide with a '96 version). With just a single service pack release, Windows 95 is not doing too badly. Windows NT 3.51 has had four service pack releases so far. Tore tore.hansen@bbs.logicnet.com -- CMPQwk 1.42-R2 391 ... HAL: Dave, put down those Windows95 disks. Dave. Da... --- PCBoard 15.2 * Origin: 32 lines 40 Gig BBS, Realtime InterNet SLIP (403)247-7900 (1:134/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: DCD00018 Date: 08/08/96 From: TORE HANSEN Time: 09:38am \/To: DHANRAJ PRATAP (Read 7 times) Subj: WHAT CONFIG? Hello DHANRAJ, on 08-06-96 you wrote to ALL about WHAT CONFIG?: DP> 1. What hardware changes need to be done on the nodes which are DP> at present 486/4mb/diskless workstations. Add RAM. Prices have dropped, and Windows can use 16 MB easy. DP> 2. How many copies of Windows do I need to buy for 25 users. Do DP> I buy one copy and run a Admin setup (setup /a and setup/n)? You install just the one copy using setup /a and setup /n, but you have to either buy 25 copies, or more simply, just pay Microsoft for the extra 24 licences you need. DP> 3. Whether I can buy Win95 and still have diskless DP> workstations? No, Windows 95 needs to be installed on a local hard drive in the machines. It is big and complex, and it can't talk to the network until it is up and running. DP> 4. If one needs to buy DOS for all the nodes? Not if you use Windows 95, as it comes with MS-DOS 7.0 DP> 5. What about the swap file? Can one have it installed on the DP> RAMdrive? A rather silly question. The purpose of a swapfile is to turn some of your disk space into additional, simulated (slow) RAM. A RAMdrive is the opposite, as it turns some of your spare RAM into a simulated (very fast) disk. These are therefore two opposite concepts. DP> 6. What should be the memory requirements of the node /server? 16 - 32 MB RAM in the workstations, and 32 - 128 MB in the server. DP> Would appreciate an early reply before I start the developement. Good luck! Tore tore.hansen@bbs.logicnet.com -- CMPQwk 1.42-R2 391 ... Tower case? Nah, fell off the desk and landed that way. --- PCBoard 15.2 * Origin: 32 lines 40 Gig BBS, Realtime InterNet SLIP (403)247-7900 (1:134/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: DCD00019 Date: 08/08/96 From: JAMES ROBERT LUNSFORD Time: 04:09am \/To: JEFF DUNLOP (Read 7 times) Subj: Lan- 2 computers Hello Jeff. 07 Aug 96 01:05, Jeff Dunlop wrote to James Robert Lunsford: JRL>> What do you think of WFWG as a NOS? I'm currently running OS/2 JRL>> warp using Lantastic/2 but am downsizing. I was thinking of JRL>> going with aq Windows based setup so that I might convince my JRL>> wife to allow me to put her machine on the network. She prefers JRL>> a Windows based setup. JD> Perhaps you should downsize your wife :-). Do you have some objection JD> to Lantastic for Windows? ;-) No, just to spending more money on these things . James --- GoldED/2 2.50 UNREG * Origin: (1:129/241) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: DCE00000 Date: 08/07/96 From: RUBEN POOT Time: 07:01pm \/To: ALL (Read 7 times) Subj: UNDO DOUBLESPACE Hi everybody, I'm not sure if this message will end up in the right area, because I can't read the entire area names in this QWK editor, since Demolition BBS creates these stupid long area-names with all kinds of control shit in it! But I ound some messages regarding Novell etc. in this area and I'n using Novell as ell, so... maybe a stupid argument, but I hope the right people will read this anyway. Sorry for my bad English. Let's get to the point... I'm running a small BBS and decided to run the doublespace from Novell om y gigabyte harddisk. Everything works fine, but I found out it didn't make much of a difference, because ZIP files (which take up about 95% on my harddisk) can't be compressed any further (should have thought about this earlier, I know). The only big difference is that my BBS is running damn slow now when t comes to searching the FILES.BBS files for a description, or when copying files from CD-ROM to the harddisk when users want to download these. So I want to undo this doublespace thing using the UNSTACK program from Novell. Now the problem is I get a "Out of memory" error every time I try to do this. Is here any way to UNDO this doublespace crap other than using the UNSTACK program or backing up my entire harddisk and formatting it again? Please help me out, 'm getting real frustrated and so do my users! NFX V1.2 [Freeware] To Beat or not to Beat, THAT is the question! --- ProBoard v2.16b3 [Reg] * Origin: DEMOLITION BBS 040-550265 28k8, 573503 28k8 (2:284/407) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: DCE00001 Date: 08/07/96 From: RUBEN POOT Time: 07:01pm \/To: ALL (Read 7 times) Subj: Want to try Lantastic for Hi everybody, Does anybody know about a bug using Norton Commander on Novell DOS? The problem occurs when copying sub-directories from a netdrive to the harddisk on another computer. Example... I've got a subdir GAMES on netdrive G:, I tag this one in the left window of Norton Commander using the INS key. In the right window I got the root of harddisk C:. Then I select copy (F5) and choose to include all subdirs. Then Norton starts copying all the subdirs ith only on file, no matter if there are 1000 or just 10 files in the subdir, every subdir (on drive C:) ends up with only the first file, so I'll have to copy every single subdir by moving to it on both the netdrive and the "real" harddisk. Is this a Novell or a Norton bug and how do I get past this? NFX V1.2 [Freeware] To Beat or not to Beat, THAT is the question. --- ProBoard v2.16b3 [Reg] * Origin: DEMOLITION BBS 040-550265 28k8, 573503 28k8 (2:284/407) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: DCE00002 Date: 08/08/96 From: BILL MULLEN Time: 01:54am \/To: DAVE PETRUCCI (Read 7 times) Subj: In house LAN -=> Quoting Dave Petrucci to Bill Mullen <=- DP> The communications program being used must be redirectable. A DP> redirectable comm program allows for INT14 redirection. You must DP> use such a program with any LAN software if you want to be able to DP> access a remote modem. Okay, Dave, so if I were to use something like the CompuServe Information Manager for DOS (which allows an INT14 setup in lieu of a COM port) on machine #2, I could access the modem on machine #1 while machine #1 was running some other (non-modem-using) program, correct? Or would machine #1 be tied up, doing server duty only? DP> LBL is a DOS based system... Given that, will LBL work properly if one (or both) of the systems is running Windows over DOS? Or will that foul it up? For that matter, while I'm peppering you with questions, is LBL a peer-to-peer arrangement, or client/server? Thanks again for taking the time to answer my many questions. Bill Mullen -= Suncook, NH =- [ E-mail: 75115.371@compuserve.com ] ... System Failure: (C)old boot (W)arm boot (S)teel-toed boot --- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 * Origin: Computer Castle / 20 Lines / Newton, NH / 603-382-0338 (1:324/127) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: DCE00003 Date: 08/09/96 From: MIKE BILOW Time: 04:17pm \/To: LAWRENCE GARVIN (Read 7 times) Subj: BNC hubs..? Lawrence Garvin wrote in a message to Jim Palmer: JP> While I am sure than a star based 10base2 topology would be JP> more managable than a bus based 10base2 topology, none of JP> this convinces me to go back! For others, this may be the JP> answer they need. LG> I'm sure that even with the 10Base-2 'hub', it's not LG> necessarily going to be a star based technology. I'd be LG> willing to bet that the hub actually configures the entire LG> setup as bridged or repeated segments. If repeated segments are used, as in 10Base-T, this is still a star topology. -- Mike --- * Origin: N1BEE BBS +1 401 944 8498 V.34/V.FC/V.32bis/HST16.8 (1:323/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: DCE00004 Date: 08/09/96 From: MIKE BILOW Time: 04:19pm \/To: LEWIN EDWARDS (Read 7 times) Subj: Appletalk to PC ? Lewin Edwards wrote in a message to Mike Bilow: MB> This is Apple's doing. The 230 kbps serial system was "AppleTalk" until LE> Can you offer an explanation as to why, or is the answer LE> simply "marketing" ? I assume the name changes was entirely marketing. MB> Oh no, don't take that approach. Throw an EtherTalk card into the Mac nd MB> run something like MacTCP. For that matter, you could probably migrate MB> data on floppy disks if there is not too much of it. LE> Argh!! No, no no no no no. If it was that simple, I would LE> have, believe me. First, not all the Macs in question can LE> accept an EtherTalk card (they don't have NuBus slots, and I LE> don't think any of the various PDS slots had EtherTalk cards LE> designed for them). Yes, I saw your later post on that. MB> There is an HFS driver available for OS/2: MB> HFS001.ZIP 241K 7-03-96+ HFS/2: A Hierarchical File System Driver for LE> I have this. I also have a FAT floppy driver for the Mac, LE> DOSMounter it's called (it doesn't like System 7 though). LE> There are two problems with sneakernet in this case : LE> 1. The application has to access a proprietary-formatted LE> database something over 7Gb in size, spread across four LE> 2.2Gb drives in one of the PCs. 2. The source files for LE> different platforms must NOT BECOME DESYNCHRONIZED. That's LE> "must not" as in "the planet will cease to revolve, the sun LE> will explode, the dead will rise and Elvis will appear on LE> the Oprah Winfrey show if it happens". I understand all but the part about the dead rising. LE> The source is cunningly designed with conditional compiles LE> scattered all through it, so that the one copy will compile on LE> multiple machine architectures. In order to do a sneakernet LE> transfer, PC and Mac coders couldn't concurrently work on the LE> same project because one half would have to halt while the other LE> dumped in new sourcecode. Well, I guess it's time for me to throw in an opinion or two. The real problem here is a reluctance to spend money. Given sufficient funds, you could upgrade the Macs so that they all had EtherTalk, or you could buy a Novell file server with a LocalTalk card. Other network servers may well support a LocalTalk card, particularly OS/2 Warp Server since it could use OS/2 LAN Manager drivers, but I have no experience with LocalTalk there. LE> Believe me, I'm only asking about this Apple-sorry, LE> LocalTalk-to-PC connectivity out of desperation, having LE> explored the other avenues as far as seemed practical 8-) LE> It really looks like a client-server network architecture is LE> the only way to go - I was just hoping someone here knew of LE> a real quick, nasty, cheap way of doing things. No. You're doomed. Several PC LocalTalk cards exist, but software that talks to them is going to be an effort. You certainly are not going to be able to throw Lantastic at a problem like this. I know from personal experience that a Novell file server will support LocalTalk, and that you can plug Macs directly into it. I would not be surprised if OS/2 drivers existed for PC Localtalk cards, in which case you could use OS/2 Warp Connect with OS/2 Peer, or full-blown OS/2 Warp Server. There may even be Linux drivers for PC LocalTalk cards, but I don't know anything about them. Whatever you do is going to require a server, and probably a NetWare server. -- Mike --- * Origin: N1BEE BBS +1 401 944 8498 V.34/V.FC/V.32bis/HST16.8 (1:323/107) Lewin Edwards wrote in a message to TORE HANSEN: LE> The other thing which worries me is that the Netware requester LE> for OS/2 is (by reports in the teamos2-l mailing list) LE> apparently not 100% bug free. Using OS/2 Peer, at least I get LE> some support from IBM if anything weird happens, because it's a LE> "pure blue" system. The NW OS/2 requester is fairly solid. It handles file and print services reliably. Where you get into problems is with SPX applications running above Novell, such as client/server databases, and there is a further patch required to make that work. Also, there are a ton of bugs in some of the third-party driver installations, but the worst that happens here is that you end up hand editing NET.CFG for certain hardware. For example, the SMC8000 drivers install themselves as "SMC800" drivers, which hangs the boot. It's a pure programming typographical error, but it's been there for years. LE> In case you haven't noticed, I am /really/ unwilling to go LE> down this Novell path 8-) But it seems I really have no LE> choice. *sigh* You could upgrade your Macs to take EtherTalk. You could also run both NetWare and OS/2 Warp Server, and use the NW gateway facility in WS. -- Mike --- * Origin: N1BEE BBS +1 401 944 8498 V.34/V.FC/V.32bis/HST16.8 (1:323/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: DCE00005 Date: 08/09/96 From: MIKE BILOW Time: 04:29pm \/To: LEWIN EDWARDS (Read 7 times) Subj: APPLETALK TO PC ? Lewin Edwards wrote in a message to TORE HANSEN: LE> The other thing which worries me is that the Netware requester LE> for OS/2 is (by reports in the teamos2-l mailing list) LE> apparently not 100% bug free. Using OS/2 Peer, at least I get LE> some support from IBM if anything weird happens, because it's a LE> "pure blue" system. The NW OS/2 requester is fairly solid. It handles file and print services reliably. Where you get into problems is with SPX applications running above Novell, such as client/server databases, and there is a further patch required to make that work. Also, there are a ton of bugs in some of the third-party driver installations, but the worst that happens here is that you end up hand editing NET.CFG for certain hardware. For example, the SMC8000 drivers install themselves as "SMC800" drivers, which hangs the boot. It's a pure programming typographical error, but it's been there for years. LE> In case you haven't noticed, I am /really/ unwilling to go LE> down this Novell path 8-) But it seems I really have no LE> choice. *sigh* You could upgrade your Macs to take EtherTalk. You could also run both NetWare and OS/2 Warp Server, and use the NW gateway facility in WS. -- Mike --- * Origin: N1BEE BBS +1 401 944 8498 V.34/V.FC/V.32bis/HST16.8 (1:323/107) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 193 LAN Ref: DCE00006 Date: 08/09/96 From: MIKE BILOW Time: 04:35pm \/To: LEWIN EDWARDS (Read 7 times) Subj: Appletalk to PC ? Lewin Edwards wrote in a message to David Patterson: LE> ... Win 3.1 ... My machines are running OS/2 and that is not LE> going to change. LE> Thanks for the suggestion, but it looks like the ONLY viable LE> alternative at this point is to dust off NetWare 3.12 and LE> build a machine to install it on. It's possible that LocalTalk drivers exist for OS/2, since OS/2 LAN Manager might have had that capability back then, but I don't know of any. -- Mike --- * Origin: N1BEE BBS +1 401 944 8498 V.34/V.FC/V.32bis/HST16.8 (1:323/107)