--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 116 ZYXEL MODEMS Ref: CDM00009 Date: 09/16/95 From: TONY ELROD Time: 07:37am \/To: ANDY MILLON (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: ZyXEL 28.8 Models - Re:Re: ZyXEL 28.8 Models - AM|--=> Tony Elrod said to Andy Millon on 09 Sep 95 02:20:02 <=- AM|- AM|- TE> Don't you think that when you release 2 years after the fact, AM|- TE> that you might have noticed this- and fixed a work around? AM|- TE> Think they were rushed out the door, or something? AM|-If I were to place your complaint in context toward other modem AM|-companies, I'd ask; "after 2 years of sales and experience with AM|-Hayes' problem, why is it USR (or name your modem company) hasn't AM|-produced a work around?" My guess is that there is no reliable "work AM|-around." Not without degrading v34 performance with all other AM|-brands of modems. AM|-You're asking ZyXel (and all other modem manufacturers) to fix a AM|-Hayes' problem. That's not their job.... that's Hayes' job. One AM|-that apparently Hayes' has been unable to do and the marketplace has AM|-responded by moving away from the company's products. Point taken. There are, in fact, tons of complaints from all modems toward Hayes connections on the usenet group comp.dcom.modems. AM|- TE> Here's my complaint, Andy... AM|- TE> I've held the 1496 for 3 years, and have been very pleased. I AM|- TE> don't want to change, but I need a compelling reason to stay AM|- TE> with ZyXel! I don't mind spending more for the ZyXel, but I AM|- TE> want to know that I am buying the quality that I purchased them AM|- TE> for in the first place; I don't want to hear of any connect AM|- TE> problems! AM|-I know of no modem that will v34 connect without "*any*" problems. AM|-At the speeds we're talking about, one needs near perfect phone line AM|-conditions at all times. Something not possible in today's world. AM|- AM|-IMHO, what you should be looking for is the modem with the fewest AM|-connect problems. In that regard, I suggest the ZyXel Elite. AM|-[can't recommend the Optima as I have no experience with it]. AM|-Amongst the nodes I hub for (3 networks), it has become clear that AM|-the ZyXel<->USRobotics connections are faster and more reliable than AM|-the USRobotics<->USRobotics connections. Same day, same computers, AM|-same software, different modems. Yeah I know, unscientific test. AM|-But it was the best we novices could come up with on our budgets. Alright, I appreciate your argument. I'm *really* not trying to knock ZyXel. As I've stated, my 1496 has been *excellent*! I just don't want to put $349 in a modem that functions basically as a $150 one! I won't use the ISDN or voice, so basically if I get the 2864, I want to know there isn't a better _connecting_ modem out there! ________________________________________ 09/16/95 at 07:37AM ... ________________________________________ Tony Elrod (770) 664-5106(GA-EST) Internet - to: tony.elrod@lightspeed.com tony.elrod@swsbbs.com == Bad luck is being run over by the welcome wagon. X CMPQwk 1.42 # 2073 --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: Atlanta's OS/2 UG BBS/FAX 770-471-1549 USR v.* (1:133/9009) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 116 ZYXEL MODEMS Ref: CDM00010 Date: 09/16/95 From: TONY ELROD Time: 07:44am \/To: JOE SCHWEIER (Read 2 times) Subj: ZyXEL 28.8 Models - Re:ZyXEL 28.8 Models - JS|- > And my point is, if this was a known problem, why not JS|- > fix it before the JS|- > release? (Considering you're entering the market 2 JS|- > years late anyway?) JS|- > Do you think their won't be a firmware update for this JS|- > soon? JS|- JS|-There is a new firmware in a few days. My suggestion to JS|-you is to buy a different modem and move on. I think the JS|-answer is easy, they just didn't puke out a simple little JS|-modem...it's the FIRST in it's class. I guess not being JS|-a leader you wouldn't understand this. JS|- JS|-Next!!!! Oh, I'm sorry; I thought this was the Zyxel forum. I didn't realize that this was _Joe Schweier learns sarcasm 101_ I welcome discussion, but you don't seem to have the knack..... --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: Atlanta's OS/2 UG BBS/FAX 770-471-1549 USR v.* (1:133/9009) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 116 ZYXEL MODEMS Ref: CDM00011 Date: 09/17/95 From: BOB JUGE Time: 11:28am \/To: TONY ELROD (Read 2 times) Subj: Modems Tony Elrod wrote in a message to Andy Millon: TE> Well, I've been e-mailing with Brent Mosbrook (sp) of ZyXel's tech TE> support, and I must say he has been the most helpful and honest TE> guy. TE> He has basically said the Hayes is responsible for *their* buggy TE> v.34 code and ZyXel may or may not try to fix *that* problem. Funny, that's what USR said and they were soundly criticized for that position. - Bob Compuserve: 72662,3547 Internet : bob@juge.com --- timEd/2 1.10.b10+ * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 (713) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 116 ZYXEL MODEMS Ref: CDM00012 Date: 09/17/95 From: IAN HOBBS Time: 01:25pm \/To: JAM@JAMMYS.NET (Read 2 times) Subj: Modems Hi There jam@jammys.net, How are you doing today? Saturday September 16 1995 16:12, jam@jammys.net wrote to All: jn> Also, Stentor (the grouping of Canadian phone companies), is supposed to jn> be offering Residential ISDN rates before the end of the year. I'm really jn> looking at it here myself, as thats likely to be in the $40cdn range, jn> instead of the $80 range it is now (with BELL Canada). Seriously? 40/month. Thats not bad! Ian --- GoldED/2 2.42.G0615 * Origin: The Kanata BBS (1:163/311) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 116 ZYXEL MODEMS Ref: CDM00013 Date: 09/16/95 From: PER KRISTENSEN Time: 03:03pm \/To: ANDY MILLON (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: ZyXEL 28.8 Models - Hello Andy! Thursday September 14 1995, Andy Millon writes to Tony Elrod: AM> nodes I hub for (3 networks), it has become clear that the AM> ZyXel<->USRobotics connections are faster and more reliable than the AM> USRobotics<->USRobotics connections. I have the exact uppersit experience. I can connect 2 both USR and Zyxel at my boss and the USR-USR connection is by far the fastest and with 28.8 connect every time - Zyxel-USR is very often 24.4 connects and poor cps s. _ |_) | er, Esbjerg --- GED3 2.50.Beta6+ * Origin: There aint no Devil, there's just God when he's drunk 2:236/43.43) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 116 ZYXEL MODEMS Ref: CDM00014 Date: 09/13/95 From: JOE SCHWEIER Time: 08:42am \/To: RAFAL WIOSNA (Read 2 times) Subj: ZyXEL 28.8 Models - Inquery > Hi Joe! > On Wed Sep 06 1995 10:56 Joe Schweier writes in RAF: > JS> 1.05 is out...where do you get it...looked on the web cite and ersion > JS> 1.04 is there...what's up??? > It's been hatched to ZyXELnet fileecho. Why is it not on the web cite?? Joe Schweier | schweier@knet.flemingc.on.ca | 1:253/112@fidonet.org Aim for service, not success and success will follow. --- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro * Origin: The Desk of Joe Schweier, FAX/DATA 1-705-741-0372 (1:253/112) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 116 ZYXEL MODEMS Ref: CDM00015 Date: 09/15/95 From: TONY ELROD Time: 08:05am \/To: WES NEWELL (Read 2 times) Subj: 2864 Re:2864 WN|-DR> TE> I can get a USR Courier v.everything for $256.50 or pay $349 WN|-DR> TE> for the ZyXel (I want to keep the 1496 instead of giving it WN|-DR> TE> to ZyXel!) WN|- WN|-DR>See my message to Mike Poston, mine went back yesterday WN|-DR>afternoon, can't stand the garbage any longer. Tyrone Horton WN|-DR>tried to help but to no avail. Want to buy another good 1496 WN|-DR>E-Plus cheap? WN|- TE> Man, this is not good news!! I had hoped to hear you sat that WN|- TE> all was well, and the fix was on the way! WN|- WN|-When you get the V.Everything, here's something that might WN|-help you. This is what I had to do to get a reasonable WN|-amount of mailer connects with the Hayes Optima that I was WN|-getting the mail from. WN|-; BINKLEY.CFG - BinkleyTerm 2.59 For USR V34 Courier DS WN|-; --------------------------------------------- WN|-ModemFailure CONNECT 19200/VFC/NONE WN|-ModemFailure CONNECT 21600/VFC/NONE WN|-ModemFailure CONNECT 24000/VFC/NONE WN|-ModemFailure CONNECT 24000/VFC/NONE WN|-;ModemFailure CONNECT 26400/V34/NONE WN|-ModemFailure CONNECT 28800/V34/NONE WN|-ModemFailure CONNECT 16800/VFC/NONE WN|-ModemConnect CONNECT WN|- WN|- WN|-When calling out, I use &M5 (drop carrier on non-arq WN|-connection). And the HAYES OPTIMA is the only modem I had WN|-this kind of problem with. It would call and connect with WN|-/NONE and lockup city.:-) Thanks for the help!! ________________________________________ 09/15/95 at 08:05AM ... ________________________________________ Tony Elrod (770) 664-5106(GA-EST) Internet - to: tony.elrod@lightspeed.com tony.elrod@swsbbs.com == And it should be obvious that... X CMPQwk 1.42 # 2073 --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: Atlanta's OS/2 UG BBS/FAX 770-471-1549 USR v.* (1:133/9009) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 116 ZYXEL MODEMS Ref: CDM00016 Date: 09/15/95 From: TONY ELROD Time: 08:06am \/To: WES NEWELL (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: ZyXEL 28.8 Models - Re:Re: ZyXEL 28.8 Models - WN|- TE> Here's my complaint, Andy... WN|- TE> I've held the 1496 for 3 years, and have been very pleased. I WN|- TE> don't want to change, but I need a compelling reason to stay WN|- TE> with ZyXel! I don't mind spending more for the ZyXel, but I WN|- TE> want to know that I am buying the quality that I purchased them WN|- TE> for in the first place; I don't want to hear of any connect WN|- TE> problems! WN|-If you don't want to hear of any connect problems, close your ears. WN|-Not just to ZyXEL, but to virtually every V34 modem on the market WN|-today. They all have connect problems of one sort or the WN|-other and will continue to have them til all the early v.34 WN|-implimentations are gone, which will be never.:-) WN|-I had major problems connecting to a V34 PPI until WN|-recently, and I haven't changed anything.:-) You know when the 14.4's came out, we went through this same routine, but it didn't seem to last as long, did it? ________________________________________ 09/15/95 at 08:06AM ... ________________________________________ Tony Elrod (770) 664-5106(GA-EST) Internet - to: tony.elrod@lightspeed.com tony.elrod@swsbbs.com == A conclusion is where you got tired of thinking. X CMPQwk 1.42 # 2073 --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: Atlanta's OS/2 UG BBS/FAX 770-471-1549 USR v.* (1:133/9009) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 116 ZYXEL MODEMS Ref: CDM00017 Date: 09/17/95 From: WES NEWELL Time: 11:15pm \/To: PER KRISTENSEN (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: ZyXEL 28.8 Models - AM> nodes I hub for (3 networks), it has become clear that the AM> ZyXel<->USRobotics connections are faster and more reliable than the AM> USRobotics<->USRobotics connections. PK> I have the exact uppersit experience. I can connect 2 PK> both USR and Zyxel at my boss and the USR-USR PK> connection is by far the fastest and with 28.8 connect PK> every time - Zyxel-USR is very often 24.4 connects and PK> poor cps rates. Come on guys, I can 28800 connects to some USR's, and 24000 with others, calling from my own USR. Unless you are calling the same place on the same line, none of this makes much of a difference. Even then, it's not real reliable info due to different routes each time you call. --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: Wylie Connection 33.6K USR V34+ DS 214-442-0388 (1:124/7028)