--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 186 SCUBA Ref: D1Z00005 Date: 01/28/96 From: LEE BELL Time: 07:01pm \/To: STAN DEAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Professionals -> EC>However in regards to training and rescue techniques in some -> agencies these EC>young divers who have taken there training -> seriously and advanced past open EC>water may actually know a little -> more about physics, rescues, ecology, etc EC>than the old salty dogs -> who may or may not have fallen into bad habits,, IE -> -> EC>Training does not replace experience and experience does not -> replace trainin EC>they complement each other, while making dafer -> more competent divers of us EC>all. OK, couldn't resist an longer. I'm one of the old salts mentioned above. My cert doesn't even read Open Water, it reads SCUBA. It's from NAUI in 1969. I've got lots of dives, very few logged before the last couple of years and even then only the special ones. I expect a DM to know his location, clearly describe rules of the boat and dive and to share knowledge about the site. I also expect him/her to be alert to people in distress and have a plan to deal with problems if they arise. I don't expect them to lead me or watch over me and, in fact, won't repeat a trip ona boat that tries. I will play by the rules once I'm on the boat. As for fallen into bad habits....who gets to define bad habits? I keep current via reading, diving and at least 3 discussion groups. Additionally, my habits have the advantage of having been tested over thousands of dives. I would maintain that since tables, computers and pretty much all safety rules are generalizations which work for the average diver but perhaps not for all divers that personal experience has at least as much validity. Having said that, I pretty much play by the current rules as well. Lee --- PCBoard (R) v15.22/M 2 * Origin: The Cross Roads BBS Ft. Lauderdale, Fla 954-791-9325 (1:369/97) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 186 SCUBA Ref: D1Z00006 Date: 01/29/96 From: KEVIN REID Time: 11:28am \/To: DAVID BATTESTELLA (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Underwater Photograph On 16 Jan 96 23:41:00, David Battestella said the following to Seawitch: DB> So is the AQUASHOT a housing or is it a complete camera system? DB> DB> Apologies for any apparent density here must be those wippets DB> I been usin' to practice my nitrox theory on.... 8^) The Aquashot 2 is a housing that uses either Fuji or Kodak disposable cameras. It has alot of accesories like a strobe, Macro lens, etc. I have never tried any other brands of camera in my aquashot < Don't wanna chance a bad roll > so I couldn't tell ya if it can be done safely. It is a great camera for the novice to advanced u/w photographer. P.S. RIGHT STEVE E.!!!! $b --- DN WHQ.... * Origin: The Dark Cemetary (813)449-8326 (1:3603/260) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 186 SCUBA Ref: D1Z00007 Date: 01/26/96 From: ALAN BETHELL Time: 08:46pm \/To: STEVE ELLIOT (Read 2 times) Subj: COLD WATER G'day Steve, In reply to your message of 23 January 1996 AB>Yeah! I'll have to check out the Sydney water, the weather AB>coming on a treat! Wind and rain have been quiet for a while AB>now. :) SE> That's right. You folks downunder have your seasons exactly SE> opposite of ours, so I guess you're in the midst of Summer SE> right about now. The weather here is crazy at the moment, one day it's pouring down, the next it's 30 deg.C+ humid and uncomfortable. Walking up the beach after a dive, with waterlogged gear, is enough to kill you. I think I'll dry off very slowly. :) Alan --- Xenolink 1.95, XQwk 1.6 [REG 10062] * Origin: Archer BBS +61-2-371-0347 ArcherNet International (3:712/392) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 186 SCUBA Ref: D1Z00008 Date: 01/30/96 From: DENNIS SEAVEY Time: 07:52am \/To: MICHAEL NELSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Diver Team Glad that you were able to find something that was useful for you. At diffeent times I've been there, living in remote locations with this bubble blowing additction, and much appreciated anything that made that possible. I'm not sure from your message but are you thinking of getting involved with the rescue dive team for the salmon river? If you do let me know as I am interested in the makeup of teams that can stand the test of time. Many of these units get started then sort of evaporate. Be wet and well. Dennis --- PCBoard (R) v15.21/10 * Origin: Singing Wire BBS - Rochester, NH 603-330-3504 (1:132/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 186 SCUBA Ref: D1^00000 Date: 01/30/96 From: JAY HANIG Time: 08:17am \/To: STEVE ELLIOT (Read 2 times) Subj: Channel Tunnel 27 Jan 96 21:06, Steve Elliot wrote to Dennis Seavey: DS>> Actually the story that I relayed to you also came DS>> from a facility in Conn. although I was never told which DS>> one. Maybe they just don't have any terrorists down there. SE> I suspect that the folks in Groton might get a bit nervous SE> about scuba divers in their general vicinity... Did you ever read the book "Rogue Warrior" by Richard Marcinko? It;'s a nonfiction accouhnt of the special unit set up by the Navy to test the security of their installations world-wide. Unfortunately, Cmdr. Marcinko was a little too successful, and perhaps "Red Face" might have been a better title for his book. He and his "boys" made a trip to Groton. Had quite a time......Just the same, I think I'd pass on a dive out in the harbor. Jay --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: ** Jay's Mean Machine Sysop *Charlotte, NC* USR 33.6 ** (1:379/41.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 186 SCUBA Ref: D1^00001 Date: 01/30/96 From: STAN DEAN Time: 10:51am \/To: LEE BELL (Read 2 times) Subj: Professionals LB>-> EC>However in regards to training and rescue techniques in some LB>-> agencies these EC>young divers who have taken there training LB>-> seriously and advanced past open EC>water may actually know a little LB>-> more about physics, rescues, ecology, etc EC>than the old salty dogs LB>-> who may or may not have fallen into bad habits,, IE LB>-> LB>-> EC>Training does not replace experience and experience does not LB>-> replace trainin EC>they complement each other, while making dafer LB>-> more competent divers of us EC>all. LB>OK, couldn't resist an longer. I'm one of the old salts mentioned LB>above. My cert doesn't even read Open Water, it reads SCUBA. It's from LB>NAUI in 1969. I've got lots of dives, very few logged before the last LB>couple of years and even then only the special ones. LB>I expect a DM to know his location, clearly describe rules of the boat LB>and dive and to share knowledge about the site. I also expect him/her LB>to be alert to people in distress and have a plan to deal with problems LB>if they arise. LB>I don't expect them to lead me or watch over me and, in fact, won't LB>repeat a trip ona boat that tries. I will play by the rules once I'm on LB>the boat. LB>As for fallen into bad habits....who gets to define bad habits? I keep LB>current via reading, diving and at least 3 discussion groups. LB>Additionally, my habits have the advantage of having been tested over LB>thousands of dives. I would maintain that since tables, computers and LB>pretty much all safety rules are generalizations which work for the LB>average diver but perhaps not for all divers that personal experience LB>has at least as much validity. Having said that, I pretty much play by LB>the current rules as well. Lee please don't take my reply out of context, or personally. The above was a quote from someone else and I was elaborating that whatever industry or profession, there are people who have the credentials and just don't have a clue. But the conversation was directed just at the diving profession as to instructors younger than the students, an Insructor having to be rescued by a student and such. Working on my DM I sat in on more classes than needed as well as boat trips. And as there were some problems, the biggest I saw were the Instructors who gave more of a personal touch than of those who taught by the cards. Many times skills were left out as personnal experiences led to who the hell knows where. Those instructors that went by the cards, the classes seemed to be more stream lined and turned out a better student. Boy am I starting to sound like a PADI rep or what? Tampa Bay water temp 62 Gulf 60 --- * OLX 2.1 TD * hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY? --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff083/x] * Origin: The GIFfer BBS, 250,000+files (813)960-7267 USR/V.all (1:377/50) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 186 SCUBA Ref: D1^00002 Date: 01/29/96 From: SEAWITCH Time: 09:09pm \/To: STEVE ELLIOT (Read 2 times) Subj: re: Catalina Island Cleanup RE: Catalina Island Cleanup BY: Steve Elliot to All on Wed Jan 17 1996 05:46 pm > The 16th Annual Avalon Harbor Underwater Cleanup will take place in > about 5 weeks (February 24, 1996). Avalon Harbor is the main harbor > on Catalina Island, about 20-30 miles from Long Beach, in Southern Just a note for all those interested who have not attended before..and BTW I do participate in about 95 % of the cleanup dives as well as the adopt a beach program........Last year the event cost me over $85 per person to attend, hat with registration, boat fees to get there, and lunch ( which mind you this is one of the few (if not the only) large event that does not provide lunch). he prize catagories were decided AFTER all the trash was brought up and suspiciously certain dive clubs came away with a very large percentage of the prizes. Also I managed to lose a good light and entries for the contests because the people assisting with the garbage took my game bag and it took me 45 minutes to find it again without the dive light I stuck in it while climbing out over the rocks. Put your money to better use by writing a check directly to the Catalina Chamber and the Conservancy. Maybe then the promoters of the Avalon clean up will learn to put on a class act cleanup like King Harbor or the cleanup at Big Corona each year. That's just one participant's opinion. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Dolphins PlayGround, Where divers come to play! (1:103/980) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 186 SCUBA Ref: D1^00003 Date: 01/29/96 From: SEAWITCH Time: 09:12pm \/To: DAVID BATTESTELLA (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Underwater Photograph RE: Re: Underwater Photograph BY: DAVID BATTESTELLA to SEAWITCH on Tue Jan 16 1996 11:41 pm > > > A good starter camera really is the Aquashot II which runs around $75. > > > > Seventy five dollars? Plus another$ 20? That's great! That doe > > sound too bad at all! Do you have to use special film? > > > > So is the AQUASHOT a housing or is it a complete camera system? > a housing for disposable cameras that actually produce some really nice ots. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Dolphins PlayGround, Where divers come to play! (1:103/980) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 186 SCUBA Ref: D1^00004 Date: 01/27/96 From: DON ZANDSTRA Time: 10:10am \/To: DENNIS SEAVEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: advance vs. open wat -=> Quoting Dennis Seavey to Don Zandstra <=- DS> Did the advanced open water cert. become an issue with the dives that DS> you did put together? I've lost track of which cert. you're actually DS> on now. I am currently Rescue certified....almost as comprehensive as WSI a number of years ago. As for the dives that I put together on my various cruises, the dive shops only seem to be interested in seeing your card. I suppose that they taylor the dive to the least qualified diver, but they never seemed to make an issue of it. This last trip was one where I got lazy, and had the cruise ship do the leg work on finding me a dive. They had us go with the shop at the end of the pier in St. Thomas (Charlotte Amalie). The shop did a good job, and I was happy to get salty again. DS> Did you deliberately bring back some of the warm weather with you DS> or did it just jump out of your luggage. According to my themometer DS> it's almost 60 deg. out there. I wish getting decent weather was only a case of bringing it home, but I can't take credit for this. The weather wasn't too bad last week, but we really got nailed with lake effect snow on last Saturday. It just served to remind me why I don't like winter. ... The White House: New Home of the Whopper! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: |=[Bloom County Hospital>=--- (616) 361-8345 (1:228/500) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 186 SCUBA Ref: D1^00005 Date: 01/27/96 From: DON ZANDSTRA Time: 02:19pm \/To: STAN DEAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Professionals -=> Quoting Stan Dean to Dennis Seavey <=- DS>Hopefully the experience DS>issue will become more widely accepted as criteria for higher DS>certification. SD> I think Freud would say you may have a problem dealing with younger SD> persons in charge, but thats another echo. Age is only a portion of the problem. When a dive veteran is faced with an "instructor" who has less dives under his weightbelt than the newest piece of equipment that the veteran wears, then the veteran has reason to feel that the pup is nothing more than a pup. I have also been faced with a diving pup instructor. This person had been DIVING for less than a year. He had the gall to question my credentials. Coincidentially, he was (relative to me) a kid. My "C" card was possibly issued before he was born.....certainly before he knew what SCUBA ment. I have a problem with this too. He was almost qualified to lug my gear....with proper supervision of course. As was stated by an Air Force E9, when confronted by a green-as-grass 90 day wonder....."I don't salute second leutenants". (sp) I have to agree with him. Respect is EARNED. As for ol' Siggie the Fraud, anyone guy who has a "slip" named after him is a little suspect. ... Gun bans work! Just look how safe New York City is! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: |=[Bloom County Hospital>=--- (616) 361-8345 (1:228/500)