--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F5G00032Date: 04/16/98 From: SCOTT SCHEIBE Time: 08:37pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: 2/2 NRA RKBA Alert Digest 549 -=Continued from previous post=- Below is a listing of the members of the Assembly, including phone numbers. THE CALIFORNIA STATE ASSEMBLY 1 Virginia Strom-Martin, Duncans Mills 445-8366 2 Tom Woods, Shasta 445-7266 3 Bernie Richter, Chico 445-7293 4 Rico Oller, San Andreas 445-8343 5 Barbara Alby, Fair Oaks 445-4445 6 Kerri Mazzoni, Novato 445-7783 7 Valerie Brown, Sonoma 445-8492 8 Helen Thomson, Davis 445-8368 9 Debra Ortiz, Sacramento 445-1611 10 Larry Bowler, Elk Grove 445-7402 11 Tom Torlakson, Antioch 445-7890 12 Kevin Shelley, San Francisco 445-8253 13 Carole Migden, San Francisco 445-8077 14 Dion Aroner, Berkeley 445-7554 15 Lynne Leach, Walnut Creek 445-6161 16 Don Perata, Alameda 445-7442 17 Mike Machado, Linden 445-7931 18 Mike Sweeney, Hayward 445-8168 19 Lou Papan, Millbrae 445-8020 20 Liz Figueroa, Fremont 445-7824 21 Ted Lempert, San Carlos 445-7632 22 Elaine Alquist, Santa Clara 445-4253 23 Mike Honda, San Jose 445-8243 24 Jim Cunneen, Cupertino 445-8305 25 George House, Hughson 445-7906 26 Dennis Cardoza, Merced 445-8570 27 Fred Keeley, Boulder Creek 445-8496 28 Peter Frusetta, Tres Pinos 445-7380 29 Charles Poochigian, Fresno 445-2931 30 Robert Prenter, Hanford 445-7558 31 Cruz Bustamante, Fresno 445-8514 32 Roy Ashburn, Bakersfield 445-8498 33 Tom Bordonaro, Jr., Paso Robles 445-7795 34 Keith Olberg, Victorville 445-8102 35 Brooks Firestone, Los Olivos 445-8292 36 George Runner, Lancaster 445-7498 37 Nao Takasugi, Oxnard 445-7827 38 Tom McClintock, Simi Valley 445-8066 39 Tony Cardenas, Sylmar 445-1616 40 Robert Hertzberg, Sherman Oaks 445-7644 41 Sheila James Kuehl, Santa Monica 445-4956 42 Wally Knox, Los Angeles 445-7440 43 Scott Wildman, Los Angeles 445-8364 44 Jack Scott, Altadena 445-8211 45 Antonio Villaraigosa, Los Angeles 445-0703 46 Gil Cedillo, Los Angeles 445-4843 47 Kevin Murray, Los Angeles 445-8800 48 Roderick Wright, Los Angeles 445-2363 49 Diane Martinez, Monterey Park 445-7852 50 Martha Escutia, Bell 445-8188 51 Edward Vincent, Inglewood 445-7533 52 Carl Washington, Paramount 445-7486 53 Debra Bowen, Marina del Rey 445-8528 54 Steve Kuykendall, Long Beach 445-9234 55 Richard Floyd, Wilmington 445-3134 56 Sally Havice, Cerritos 445-6047 57 Martin Gallegos, Baldwin Park 445-7610 58 Grace Napolitano, Norwalk 445-0965 59 Bob Margett, Arcadia 445-7234 60 Gary Miller, Diamond Bar 445-7550 61 Fred Aguiar, Chino 445-1670 62 Joe Baca, Rialto 445-7454 63 Bill Leonard, Upland 445-8490 64 Rod Pacheco, Riverside 445-0854 65 Brett Granlund, Yucaipa 445-7552 66 Bruce Thompson, Fallbrook 445-1676 67 Scott Baugh, Huntington Beach 445-6233 68 Curt Pringle, Garden Grove 445-8377 69 Jim Morrissey, Anaheim 445-7333 70 Marilyn Brewer, Newport Beach 445-7222 71 Bill Campbell, Villa Park 445-2778 72 Dick Ackerman, Fullerton 445-7446 73 Bill Morrow, Oceanside 445-7676 74 Howard Kaloogian, Carlsbad 445-2390 75 Jan Goldsmith, San Diego 445-2484 76 Susan Davis, San Diego 445-7210 77 Steve Baldwin, El Cajon 445-3266 78 Howard Wayne, San Diego 445-2112 79 Denise Moreno Ducheny, San Diego 445-7556 80 Jim Battin, La Quinta 445-5416 *All of the telephone numbers listed above are in the 916 area code =+=+=+=+ This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA. This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org ------------------------------ End of RKBA-ALERT Digest 549 **************************** ... ******** NOTE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE ******** --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F5G00033Date: 04/13/98 From: STEVE GUNHOUSE Time: 06:25pm \/To: GREER BRAXTLE (Read 1 times) Subj: Where does Ernie Padgette (NRA Director)18:25:1204/13/98 -=> Quoting Greer Braxtle to All on 12 Apr 98 17:12 <=- Re: Where does Ernie Padgette (NRA Director) REALLY stand? AT>Your argument was pretty good, until the last sentence. AT>Here's why it falls apart at that sentence. EP> (big clip of 2AM issues) AT>While you may not consider a hand grenade to be a AT>"legitimate weapon of self-defense," it is still a 2nd AT>Amendment weapon, since it is a weapon commonly used by AT>the organized militia. EP> We'll have to disagree on that point. "Organized militias" EP> (assuming you're talking about the National Guard and State EP> Militias) have everything up to and sometimes including tactical EP> nukes. Explosives are outside my definition of "arms" protected EP> by the Second Amendment. Ernie P. GB> What other 'arms' are also outside your definition, Ernie? What is GB> your stand on high capacity magazine loaded firearms such as M16/AR15 GB> and other varients of military patterned firearms? Are they, or are GB> they not, protected by the Second Amendment? Oh, we've had this discussion dozens of times, even before Ernie became a Director. He is pretty moderate, but he is certainly opposed to the "assault weapons" ban(s). Steve ... In the woods we return to reason and faith. - Emerson --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sub-Rosa, for those held in terrestrial bondage. (1:381/74) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F5G00034Date: 04/20/98 From: GREER BRAXTLE Time: 08:58pm \/To: STEVE GUNHOUSE (Read 1 times) Subj: Where does Ernie Padgette (NRA Director)20:58:3004/20/98 EP> Explosives are outside my definition of "arms" protected EP> by the Second Amendment. Ernie P. GB> What other 'arms' are also outside your definition, Ernie? What is GB> your stand on high capacity magazine loaded GB> firearms such as M16/AR15 GB> and other varients of military patterned firearms? Are they, or are GB> they not, protected by the Second Amendment? SG> Oh, we've had this discussion dozens of times, even before Ernie SG> became a Director. He is pretty moderate, but he is certainly opposed SG> to the "assault weapons" ban(s). He IS? Then let him stand up and SAY so. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: If you don't know your rights, you don't have any! (1:141/757) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F5G00035Date: 04/21/98 From: MIKE LEE Time: 01:02am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Printer For Sale...Printer...Panasonic KXP-2135 34 pin color. Continuos or sheet fed. Perfect condition. All software, manuals and extra ribbons. 125.00 Firm. Reply here or call 773-1740 mornings only. Mike * 1st 2.00 #8219 * --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: NUT N' MUCH BBS Madison TN (615 868-8370 ISDN/Analog) (1:116/305) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F5G00036Date: 04/21/98 From: MICHAEL SHIRLEY Time: 01:34am \/To: STEVE GUNHOUSE (Read 1 times) Subj: 2d Amendment Fraud? SG> EP> I've never really experienced high wind in the desert. Come to > > think of it, I've never really been around the desert. Sand and > > wind, yes; but not the desert, and certainly nothing like that. SG> MS> You can't see anything and it feels like you're being > MS> sandblasted. Quite nasty, and if you're trying to go anywhere, you're > MS> going to get lost even with a compass because in the desert, there re > MS> enough magnetic anomalies that you need to sight on a terrain feature > MS> and then do a back azimuth on another in order to reestablish both > MS> true north and the line of declination until you get to the next > MS> terrain feature when you have to do it all over again. SG> MS> Best advice is to sit tight where you're at until it's over > MS> and just stay warm and hydrated. SG> MS> I tend to carry a lot of gear and that includes extra water > MS> and something to throw over the windshields so that the sand doesn't > MS> pit them, if I'm in a place where it's prone to that. I had a friend > MS> who was caught in a storm like that in the Mojave once, and his car > MS> became undrivable because he couldn't see out of his newly frosted > MS> windows. Those plastic tarps are cheap insurance against that and hey > MS> don't take up much room. SG> MS> Currently, I'm looking at getting one of those Russian copies > MS> of a Primus stove and throwing it in my pack. It'd be nice to get nto > MS> a dead spot during one of those winds and brew some coffee. There are > MS> often some rather radical drops in ambient temperature beyond normal > MS> windchill when a wind like that comes up,.........., even in summer. SG>I've been through 76-mph desert winds here in El Paso two years ago, and >the same winds in the Blizzard of '78 in Ohio. I'm hard put to say which >was worse at the time. The desert winds pick up all the dust and sand. >Even among the buildings here conditions were unbearable. But OTOH, I >wasn't concerned about freezing to death. Though you don't worry so much >about a blizzard damaging your paint or your windows... SG>Afterwards, the blizzard was worse. It took use months to dig out from >that, literally. After the sandstorm here, life was back to normal >quickly (except for those who needed to repair their roofs). Blizzards are worse because of the risk of hypothermia, but a sand storm runs a close second. SG>I have never been through 76-mph winds during a hurricane, but I'd be I've sene winds like that out here, and I'd just as soon avoid em. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X Your guns today, your liberty tommorow. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Library COM -* Reno, NV USA *- (702) 785-4191 (1:213/742) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F5G00037Date: 04/17/98 From: CHARLES FIKE Time: 01:09am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: ANTI-2ND AMENDMENT SARAH AV>In a few weeks, if you're interested, I will forward to you a AV>'Citizens Action Kit," detailing exactly what can be done in your AV>local community Wonder what kinda garbage they'll put in them.. AV>We intend to bring pressure upon mayors, city councils, school boards, AV>churches, and all property owners to ban the use of any facility for AV>gun shows. And they call us 'fanatics'.. AV>Our enemies will incorrectly and misleadingly scream about freedom of AV>speech and freedom of assembly. Obviously, the anti-gunners don't care about it.. AV>But in turn, we will quietly remind AV>them that America is involved in a gun war -- that is claiming 35,000 AV>lives each year including 9,OOO murdered by handguns. Gee, there are around 50,000 cars deaths and year? Guess they better remember that also.. Or the 2.5 million times a year a crime is stopped by gun owners.. AV>And we'll remind them that Americans must responsibly report AV>transactions involving cars, liquor and other products -- why should AV>gun sales be exempt? Try the second amendment.. Owning a gun/rifle is a right, owning a car is not.. * OLX 2.1 * It's hard to believe it, but some teens are humans. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: A.L.T. BBS Shreveport, LA (318) 631-9734 (1:380/64.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F5G00038Date: 04/17/98 From: CHARLES FIKE Time: 01:14am \/To: ALEX VASAUSKAS (Read 1 times) Subj: 2 ANTI-2ND AMENDMENT SARA AV>* Forwarded (from: CIVLIB) AV>* Originally from Les Lemke (1:356/3) to All. AV>* Original dated: Mon Apr 06, 04:23 AV>Every day 14 children, 19 years old and under, are killed by handguns, AV>Much of this mayhem is made possible by the use of public property for AV>gun shows. 19 years old Children? Give me a break.. Love how they always lover to include 16-19 years olds in there stats.. AV>These statistics are tragic proof that a state of war exists. Gee, What makes them think Banning guns will stop it? Even if guns was banned, the thugs will use something else.. AV>And, as you know, in my case, the statistic became personal heartbreak AV>when my husband Jim was grievously wounded by a bullet intended for AV>president Reagan. And Gun control wouldn't have stopped him.. AV>You and I must make America a safer place to live. Let's do it! Go after the criminals insted.. AV>P.S. I urge you to turn to the enclosed reply slip and write out a AV>check in one of the amounts I've indicated. Or perhaps you can give AV>more. But please do the best you can. Figures, asking for money. Thats all its about anyway.. * OLX 2.1 * It's my favorite: Uncle Ben's Perverted Rice! --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: A.L.T. BBS Shreveport, LA (318) 631-9734 (1:380/64.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F5G00039Date: 04/17/98 From: GREG ALLEN Time: 03:35pm \/To: CHARLES FIKE (Read 1 times) Subj: 2 ANTI-2ND AMENDMENT SARA -=> Quoting Charles Fike to Alex Vasauskas <=- AV>* Forwarded (from: CIVLIB) AV>* Originally from Les Lemke (1:356/3) to All. AV>* Original dated: Mon Apr 06, 04:23 AV>Every day 14 children, 19 years old and under, are killed by handguns, AV>Much of this mayhem is made possible by the use of public property for AV>gun shows. CF> 19 years old Children? Give me a break.. Love how they always lover to CF> include 16-19 years olds in there stats.. I could buy 16- and 17-year olds, but I refuse to let them get away with the 18- and 19-year olds. CF> * OLX 2.1 * It's my favorite: Uncle Ben's Perverted Rice! ... Uncle Ben's Perverted Rice - in the leather box ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- MysticToss 1.20/Pro * Origin: Guilde of High Sorcery (619)575-8249 San Diego, CA (1:202/1100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F5G00040Date: 04/17/98 From: BRION LIENHART Time: 02:09pm \/To: PAUL NIXON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: rtkba On Tue Apr 14, Paul Nixon said to Terry Smith: TS> That's a rational extrapolation by me based on a number of government TS> reports on crime and arrest reports by police and other law TS> enforcement, prison populations, and drug studies. If you've ever -PN> [snip] -PN> I've seen interpolations from others that indicate that the real -PN> murder rate would be on the order of 0.3/K if it weren't for the -PN>inner -PN> city gang related stuff. Just thought there might be something -PN> definitive. Well, the FBI crime statistics show the 3/4 of all murderers have prior criminal convictions, as do 2/3 of all murder victims. It was in the NRA or GOA firearms fact sheets. --- QM v1.31 * Origin: Ministry of Peace - Carson City, NV (1:213/700.2)