--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F3V00001Date: 03/24/98 From: CHARLES FRENCH Time: 11:03pm \/To: PAUL NIXON (Read 1 times) Subj: ooops! PN> Brien was heard babbling to Gus Gere PN> about ooops! CF>> Hey, I've got the truck, with gun rack and dog and a CF>> Stetson. Might let you borrow them for a spell just CF>> so you CF>> can get the feel of it GG>> Gee thanks. You got a mobile home I can use too? BP>> Just put your tent in the back of the truck. :-) PN> Where's his wife gonna ride? Ifin shes like mine.....anywhare she pleases!!!!!! Charles French cafrench@att.net cricketdad@juno.com --- * Origin: The French House (1:3634/12.39) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F3W00000Date: 03/26/98 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 02:14pm \/To: CHARLES FRENCH (Read 1 times) Subj: ooops! Charles was heard babbling to Paul Nixon about ooops! BP>> Just put your tent in the back of the truck. :-) PN> Where's his wife gonna ride? CF> Ifin shes like mine.....anywhare she pleases!!!!!! Yup. ... Cowboy foreplay: "Git in the truck" --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F4200000Date: 03/24/98 From: MICHAEL SHIRLEY Time: 04:07am \/To: EARNEST PADGETTE (Read 1 times) Subj: 2d Amendment Fraud? EP>(clip) >MS>EP>MS> That particular line of Reith's came at the end of a not to >MS> >MS>terribly bad story that had another line of note:"Slaves have nothi >MS> >MS>spend except their lives,..........." EP>MS>EP>MS>___ EP>MS>EP> Thanks for the details. Ernie P. >MS> >--- EP>MS> Anytime, although you seem a wee bit disappointed. >MS>___ EP> Not really. I had hoped it made referrence to the Four Horsemen > of the Apacolypse; and that perhaps I might find another tidbit > for my "Neat little sayings" file. Nothing more than that. > Thanks again. Ernie P. I think that's the metaphor that Reith was using. The old Four Horsemen metaphor is one of the most common in English and US literature. And that part about the wind beginning to howl was a nice touch, I thought. Then again I've been in the desert when a really nasty 60-80 mph wind has taken off and it's about as uncomfortable as you can imagine. It's why I keep a pair of GI tank goggles in my pack for when I'm out playing in the sand. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X Live from Nevada, the Afghanistan of North America!! --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Library COM -* Reno, NV USA *- (702) 785-4191 (1:213/742) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F4200001Date: 03/27/98 From: SCOTT SCHEIBE Time: 07:11pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: NRA General RKBA Digest 347 *********** NOTICE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** ============================================================================ GENERAL-RKBA Digest 347 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) CRIMESTRIKE: 'Frivolous' Inmate Lawsuits by NRA Alerts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: NRA Alerts To: general-rkba-real.nra Subject: CRIMESTRIKE: 'Frivolous' Inmate Lawsuits Message-ID: <199803252235.RAA27016@fs1.mainstream.net> NRA CrimeStrike's CrimeWatch Weekly Breaking news on critical crime-fighting issues, policies and legislation Vol. 4, No. 12 March 24, 1998 States Fighting Back Against 'Frivolous' Inmate Lawsuits Following on the heels of the federal Prison Litigation Reform Act (PLRA) of 1996 aimed at reducing the growing number of frivolous prison inmate federal court lawsuits, a number of states are enacting laws to combat the same problem with inmate state court lawsuits. According to a Bureau of Justice Statistics study, prison inmates filed more than 68,000 suits in federal courts alone in 1996. The Pennsylvania Senate last week voted 42-6 for House- passed legislation to allow judges to dismiss "blatantly frivolous" inmate lawsuits. The bill includes a "three strikes" provision that limits additional suits by inmates who have had three dismissed. Atty Gen. Mike Fisher, who pushed the legislation, said that suits against the Commonwealth had soared from 251 in 1995 to 751 last year. In Mississippi, Gov. Kirk Fordice last week signed into law two bills targeting inmate suits. One sets standards for declaring such suits frivolous and includes "earned time" penalties. The second, say press reports, requires inmates with three prior frivolous suits to pay for their own filings. Inmates at Mississippi's prison at Parchman in Sunflower County have filed more than 150 suits annually for the past three years, say county court officials. Lawmakers in Wisconsin, Iowa and Colorado have also been fighting back against a rising tide of inmate suits. Wisconsin Atty. Gen. James Doyle said that state is spending $1 million annually fighting the suits, which swelled from 48 in all of 1981 to 48 per month in 1997. Like Mississippi, Wisconsin would require inmates with three prior frivolous suits to pay their own filing fees. Two weeks ago, the state Senate in Iowa passed a similar law that also can cost inmates early release credit time. The Colorado Senate on Monday approved an inmate suit bill patterned on the federal law. It would require inmates to first exhaust correctional department remedies and would bar suits by inmates with three prior meritless suits. Inmates Dip Into Federal Till "Tens of thousands" of jail and prison inmates continue to receive Social Security and disability benefits, despite congressional prohibitions against it, a top Social Security Administration official has told a House committee. David C. Williams, inspector general for the agency, estimated last week that an intensified crackdown could save more than $3.46 billion over the next seven years. Congress authorized bonus payments up to $400 to sheriffs and prison officials who turn in inmates illegally receiving the payments. Meanwhile, Social Security officials have been working to detect and block improper inmate payments in a program they say saved $257 million in 1995 and doubled last year. About 60% of the illegal payments were for Social Security benefits, most of the balance in the form of disability checks, the Washington Post reports. Law requires such payments suspended during the period the recipient in incarcerated. Wisconsin Killer Back In Prison Paroled after serving only about 17 years of a 35-year sentence for the 1981 sexual assault and murder of a 17-year-old girl in Wisconsin, Herbert Droste should have counted himself lucky. Even though the state attempted to keep him in custody under its sexual predator law last year, Droste got out of prison and into a supervised residence in Baraboo, Associated Press reported last week. But after getting out, Droste allegedly convinced a roommate to make a bomb threat telephone call to his murder victim's family business in Waupon, threatened the life of his accomplice, threatened bodily harm to his parole agent, and participated in a plan to kill a guard and escape from the Sauk County jail. Today, Droste is headed back to prison to serve out the remaining 17 years of his sentence without the benefit of "good time" credits to speed his release, said a parole spokesman. The parole revocation was ordered by the administrative law judge who heard the parole agency's case against Droste, who can still appeal. D.C. Opts For Truth-In-Sentencing Law Washington, D.C., city council members voted 9-4 last week to accept a Truth-In-Sentencing Commission's proposal to eliminate parole for those convicted of 37 different types of serious crimes in the city beginning on Aug. 5, 2002. The alternative would have allowed U.S. Atty. Gen. Janet Reno to submit her own sentencing plan to Congress. About 30 states and the federal government now have Truth-In-Sentencing laws that generally require violent felons to serve at least 85% of their prison sentences prior to release. As part of the transition in the city's criminal justice system, the federal government already has a plan to take control of the city's prison inmates within the next four years. Part of the plan calls for closing the city's notorious Lorton prison complex in northern Virginia. E-Mail us at CrimeStrike@NRA.Org =+=+=+=+ This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA. This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org ------------------------------ End of GENERAL-RKBA Digest 347 ****************************** ... ******** NOTE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE ******** --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F4200002Date: 03/27/98 From: SCOTT SCHEIBE Time: 07:15pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: GOA Alert *********** NOTICE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** ============================================================================ Republican Leaders Resurrect Problematic Bill by Gun Owners of America 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151, (703)321-8585, http://www.gunowners.org (Wednesday, March 25, 1998) Incumbent Protection Bill revived in the House Having died in the Senate, the Incumbent Protection Bill has now been resurrected in the House. This new draft, like its predecessors in the House and the Senate, would severely regulate -- or "chill" -- the free speech of groups like GOA by limiting their ability to report on incumbents' records during the election season. This, of course, would benefit the anti-gun media and incumbents, who would not be limited in their ability to publicize (and distort) their own records or viewpoints. For example, on page 7 of this new bill (H.R. 3485), GOA "political activity" that would be heavily regulated (and prohibited in many cases) would be "any activity carried out for the purpose of influencing (in whole or in part) any election for Federal office, influencing the consideration or outcome of any Federal legislation or the issuance or outcome of any Federal regulation, or educating individuals about candidates . . . " When debating the Senate bill, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) summarized this issue quite well: The Supreme Court has made it abundantly clear . . . [that] spending is speech and the first amendment applies to individuals, groups, candidates and parties, as well as applying to the press. . . . [The press doesn't] like it. They would like to have more power, not less. They would like to control our campaigns, control the discourse in the course of the campaign that goes on, and control the outcome with their editorial endorsement. But the first amendment doesn't allow them to control the political process. It also doesn't allow the Government, through some statute we passed here, to be put in charge of regulating either the quality or the quantity of political speech. (Source: Congressional Record, 2/26/98.) ACTION: Gun owners should urge their Representatives to oppose any bill (like H.R. 3485) that would not only restrict your First Amendment rights, but the free speech rights of those groups (like GOA) that represent you. A vote on the House bill is scheduled for this week. To contact Capitol Hill, call 202-225-3121, or use the toll free number at 1-800-522-6721. Individual office numbers, fax numbers, and e-mail addresses can be found at the GOA website. GOA spokesmen counter gun grabbers in aftermath of Jonesboro shooting From Fox Cable Network to MSNBC and other media outlets, spokesmen from Gun Owners of America have been called on today to counter Chuck Schumer and his fellow gun grabbers in the aftermath of yesterday's tragic shooting in Jonesboro, Arkansas. Not surprisingly, the shooting has led to the familiar cries for more gun control on today's talk shows. As if reading off the same page, many pundits have trotted out the same old, worn-out argument that the "availability of guns" is the problem. Of course, what these gun grabbers miss is that the young thugs broke several laws already (murder, no guns allowed within 1,000 feet of a school, possession with intent to commit a crime, etc.). Moreover, the anti-gun zealots completely ignore the biggest evidence that their "availability of guns causes crime" mentality is pure myth. Consider that in the 1950's, when there were far fewer gun control laws on the books, there was not a problem with illegal guns in schools. There was no Brady law, no semi-auto ban, no Gun Free Zones Ban. Guns were more "available" in the 1950's and yet there was no "gun problem" in the schools! So what has changed? Well, the lax punishment of criminal juveniles and the imitation of T.V. violence are just two of many reasons. But clearly, guns are LESS AVAILABLE today than they were 40 years ago. As you contact your elected officials, make sure they don't buy into this "availability of guns is the problem" myth. *********************************************************** Are you receiving this as a cross-post? To be certain of getting up-to-the-minute information, please consider joining the GOA E-mail Alert Network directly. The service is free, your address remains confidential, and the volume is quite low: five messages a week would be a busy week indeed. To subscribe, simply send a message (or forward this notice) to goamail@gunowners.org and include your state of residence in either the subject line or the body. ... ******** NOTE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE ******** --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F4200003Date: 03/27/98 From: SCOTT SCHEIBE Time: 07:16pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Next phase of Brady.. *********** NOTICE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** ============================================================================ Once again, because this is hot, I'm pushing it out post-haste. This will appear in Shotgun news in about 4 weeks. Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- NEAL KNOX REPORT 'Instant Check' Regs Absurd By NEAL KNOX WASHINGTON, D.C. (March 20) -- BATF's proposed regulations for the permanent phase of the Brady Act, which is to go into effect Nov. 30, will substitute an "Instant Check" on all firearms buyers for the present five-working-day waiting period on handgun purchasers. The proposed regulations say the Justice Department will run a records check on every gun buyer -- which can take up to three business days -- even if the state has its own "Instant Check" system. That provision could be used to shut down gun show sales, which are typically held when state offices are close. An FBI spokesman recently said the fee for the check will be $13 to $16 -- a considerable chunk on a used $50 .22 rifle. One of the cuter proposed regulations is an "optional" request for the buyer's Social Security number -- which supposedly would help the buyer by eliminating rejections due to the computer finding a felon with similar name and birth date. The all-important question of how those Federal records are kept, and whether the "instant check" is used to create a national firearms registration system, isn't addressed in the proposed BATF regulations -- which may be publicly commented on until May 20, 1998. BATF says security of the lists will strictly be up to the Justice Department, which doesn't have BATF's long-standing prohibition against using appropriated funds to maintain a computerized database of gun owners or gun buyers. The law itself prohibits using dealer records to create a national registration system, but the Justice Department has developed devious ways to get around such provisions by encouraging states to set up the registration system, so Federal agencies can "access" local purchaser lists. Despite the Brady Act's prohibitions, every time the Justice computers are checked, a record of the name and reason for the check is kept -- supposedly to prevent abuse of privacy, but destroying gun purchasing privacy. Some local and state agencies have been keeping records of purchasers, such as in Ohio, where every gun buyer checked was being permanently kept with a "B" for Brady -- until the legislature stopped it. BATF says the new regulations don't have to be justified as to effectiveness or usefulness because they don't constitute "a significant regulatory action." Right! By BATF's official estimate, the regulations will "only" affect 10,273,851 firearms purchasers each year, and completion will "only" require 199,357 hours -- at their estimate of 1 1/4 minutes worth of record-keeping and delay. Ridiculous! Comment before May 20 to: Chief, Regulations Division; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; P.O. Box 50221; Washington, DC 20091-0221; ATTN: Notice No. 857. Don't bother protesting about the checks being extended to rifle and shotgun buyers -- make that protest to your Congressman and Senator, and insist they at least knock out the long gun requirement in the Instant Check law. 'SECOND CINCINNATI' Major issues affecting the future of NRA, including whether the 76-member Board of Directors should be cut to "no more than 24," will be decided on the floor of the members' meeting at Philadelphia June 6. The number of Directors, broader reporting of financial relationships with NRA (opposed by a majority of the Board), and even term limits will be debated as amendments to the Articles of Incorporation, which corporate law says can only be amended at the annual meeting. Although Bylaws Article XVI requires publication of proposed amendments to the corporate charter if received by Dec. 1, the leadership notified three voting members who submitted amendments that they would not be published and couldn't be brought up at Philadelphia. That decision was reversed last week after NRA management was required by a New York court to follow the letter of a bylaw prohibiting their publication of the method of nomination of candidates. (Because NRA subsequently published the names of the obviously petition candidates who challenged publication of the Nominating Committee list, the judge has ordered NRA to "show cause" why it should not be held in contempt of court, and why a new election should not be required.) Given the background of member anger over excessive fundraising letters, concerns for the financial condition of NRA, and dismay over evidence that NRA First Vice President Charlton Heston worked with President Lyndon Johnson to pass the Gun Control Act of 1968, it may be the most lively meeting since the Cincinnati Member Revolt in 1977. --- (You can cut your long distance phone charges to a flat dime per minute anytime and help support these Neal Knox Reports by signing up with Excel Communications through the Firearms Coalition, Box 6537, Silver Spring, MD 20916.) ... ******** NOTE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE ******** --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F4200004Date: 03/29/98 From: SCOTT SCHEIBE Time: 07:55pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: 1/2 NRA General RKBA Digest 348 *********** NOTICE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** ============================================================================ GENERAL-RKBA Digest 348 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) FAXALERT: Free Speech Still Under Attack by NRA Alerts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:49:10 -0500 (EST) From: NRA Alerts To: general-rkba-real.nra Subject: FAXALERT: Free Speech Still Under Attack Message-ID: <199803281549.KAA22188@fs1.mainstream.net> NRA-ILA FAX ALERT 11250 Waples Mill Road * Fairfax, VA 22030 Phone: 1-800-392-8683 * Fax: 703-267-3918 * GROOTS@NRA.org Vol. 5, No. 12 3/27/98 FREE SPEECH STILL UNDER ATTACK This Monday, the U.S. House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on campaign finance "reform" legislation. Several bills are slated for debate and a vote. The NRA remains adamantly opposed to all campaign finance "reform" schemes currently being considered. Members of the House who are strongly supporting the reform measures have now threatened to use a "discharge petition" to force a vote on the anti-Constitutional McCain-Feingold bill -- a direct attack on your Constitutional rights! It is urgent that you ask your Representative not to sign the discharge petition. If any Representatives have already signed the petition, they should be asked to withdraw their name from it. Explain you are an NRA member and treasure your First Amendment rights as much as your Second Amendment rights. Tell him that bringing the McCain-Feingold bill to the House floor for a vote is an attack on those precious rights. Call 202-225-3121 and ask for his or her office. Or, call your Representative's district office. Don't forget to thank your Representative for his attention to your concerns. BANNING GUNS BY EXECUTIVE FIAT Over the last several months we have reported President Clinton's efforts to push his "Bigger Gun Ban," as he has sought to circumvent the legislative process to expand on the Clinton Gun Ban of 1994. In November of last year, the President directed the U.S. Treasury Department to suspend the importation of certain semi-automatic rifles, while the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms (BATF) studied whether their importation should continue to be allowed. The attempt to ban these firearms, which comply in every way with both the 1994 ban and a 1989 ban on the importation of certain semi-automatics -- based on cosmetic features, rather than their function -- is simply the next link in the chain for gun prohibitionists. Since President Clinton knows that he could not ban these firearms through legislation, his focus has been placed on abusing the vague "sporting purposes" test from the 1968 Gun Control Act. This provision has been used by BATF arbitrarily to decide which firearms can be imported into the U.S., without clear criteria for making such decisions. According to the 10/22/97 edition of the Los Angeles Times, White House Official Jose Cerda even went so far as to say that the Clinton Administration was "bending it [the law] as far as we can to capture a whole new class of guns." It is anticipated that the BATF, under pressure from the White House, will soon release the findings of their "study." ARKANSAS TRAGEDY Americans are in mourning over the tragedy in Jonesboro, Arkansas, that claimed five innocent lives. While our opponents may try to politicize this horrible crime, we will not. In our view, such tragedies warrant prayer and sympathy at this time, not hasty, half-baked solutions. The press has wrongly attacked the culture of the region -- even questioned the wisdom of safety training -- yet this same culture is responsible for achieving safety and building individual responsibility. Clearly, this culture also produces heroes -- heroes like courageous teacher Shannon Wright who saved her students' lives by sacrificing her own. Perhaps one lesson we can draw is the need to take all threats seriously. When a passenger, for example, makes a threatening remark concerning the safety of an aircraft, authorities whisk that person away as a necessary precaution. Perhaps we should impart a new awareness to students in schools. The message is simple -- Report all threats! The Jonesboro community is strong and deserves praise for their courageous response to this ordeal. From the sheriff and the school principal, all the way to Governor Huckabee, the response to this unspeakable tragedy and the media onslaught has been commendable. We encourage you to call Governor Huckabee's office to extend your sympathy for the community and your appreciation for the professionalism displayed by the Governor and the leaders of Jonesboro. You can call Governor Huckabee at 501/682-2345. -=Continued in next post=- ... ******** NOTE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE ******** --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428)