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Thanks, Jim (Using ALLFIX v5.00 build 23, "Simply the Best") --- * Origin: AirPower Information Services - (610) 259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F1C00000Date: 01/07/98 From: JACKSON DRYDEN Time: 05:49pm \/To: ANY AND ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: lapse in this echo Again there seems to be a great silence here,...as if many great voices suddenly became still. Is anybody here? jackson --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: NUT N' MUCH BBS Madison TN (615 868-8370 ISDN/Analog) (1:116/305) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F1C00001Date: 01/06/98 From: WAYNE THOMPSON Time: 08:11pm \/To: BOB RUDOLPH (Read 1 times) Subj: SHOOT/DON'T SHOOT? Bob was discussing "SHOOT/DON'T SHOOT?" with Gregory. BR And upper body hits do not automatically become chest cavity BR hits. Nope. Figure the "kill" zone to be about the size of a saucer. Anything else could kill, might kill, or kill eventually. However, the name of the game is to stop the fight as quickly as possible, and what a bullet will do in a few minutes, or a few hours doesn't figure into the equation at all... BR The ideal round would be a launched grenade - but it makes a BR terrible mess on the walls. That's sort of like my idea of an "ideal round". Personally, I want a bullet that is about the same size, shape, and weight as a 25.4 oz can of Cooper's Lager that leaves the muzzle at around 750fps. Of course the weapon that fires it should hold at least five more in reserve, have the recoil of a .32 Mauser HsC, and about the same overall size as a Seacamp. Well, I said "IDEAL", not "POSSIBLE"!!!! \x/7 .45 ACP: ONE-HUNDRED years of successful practical testing! ... 7.62 Nato FMJ: The Humane Bullet. --- * NRA Life Member, 1972 * * Origin: Next time, Dial The Wrong Number! (209) 943-1880 (1:208/205) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F1D00000Date: 01/08/98 From: MICHAEL SHIRLEY Time: 07:01am \/To: JACKSON DRYDEN (Read 1 times) Subj: lapse in this echo JD>Again there seems to be a great silence here,...as if many >great voices suddenly became still. Is anybody here? I'm here, for what it's worth. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X INNOVATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN IDEOLOGY. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Library COM -* Reno, NV USA *- (702) 785-4191 (1:213/742) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F1D00001Date: 01/06/98 From: SCOTT SCHEIBE Time: 08:24pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: 1/2 NRA General RKBA Digest 325 *********** NOTICE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** ============================================================================ GENERAL-RKBA Digest 325 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) CRIMESTRIKE: Murder Decline Accelerating by NRA Alerts 2) FAXALERT: 1998: The Year in Review by NRA Alerts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:42:28 -0500 (EST) From: NRA Alerts To: general-rkba-real.nra Subject: CRIMESTRIKE: Murder Decline Accelerating Message-ID: <199801060342.WAA18761@fs1.mainstream.net> NRA CrimeStrike's CrimeWatch Weekly Breaking news on critical crime-fighting issues, policies and legislation Vol. 3, No. 52 December 30, 1997 Now For Some Good News! Murder Decline Accelerating As the nation welcomes another New Year, the continuing decline in murder in many of the nation's largest cities is making good news. New York City is looking at a 23% drop in killings over last year, down from 983 in 1996 to 756 through Monday. That's a 30-year low. On the opposite coast, Los Angeles reports homicide down 20% over 1996. That's a decline from 707 deaths last year to just 566 through Dec. 14, police there report. That's a 20-year low, the Los Angeles Times said. While there were exceptions Seattle was up from 37 homicides in 1996 to 48 this year Chicago, New Orleans, Dallas, Houston, Baltimore and San Francisco all were reporting lower murder tolls this year. Some smaller cities were enjoying homicide reductions, as well. Newark, New Jersey's largest city, had just 56 murders as of Monday, down from 94 last year and 104 in 1995. That's a 30- year low. Nationally, homicide has been in decline since 1993, when the FBI recorded 9.5 killings per 100,000 U.S. residents. Last year the rate was down to 7.4, the lowest in decades. There were fewer than 20,000 murders for the first time since 1985. It will be several months before the FBI reports complete homicide data for 1997, however. What's driving the decline? "It seems that society has gotten tired of so many murders," Los Angeles Deputy Police Chief Martin Pomeroy suggested to Associated Press. "People may be weary of all the violence." "It's true that people have really gotten fed up with violence, particularly from repeat offenders," said CrimeStrike's Elizabeth J. Swasey. "But it's not offenders who get 'weary', it's voters, and they have been successful in demanding that legislators enact laws that keep more dangerous criminals in prison longer. Those laws are taking the bite out of crime by incapacitating criminals." Steinberg Gets Unwanted Attention Joel Steinberg, the former New York attorney who inadvertently helped bring domestic violence to national attention in 1987 after being charged with battering to death his 6-year-old illegally adopted daughter, is getting a lot of unwanted attention as he comes up for parole consideration a second time. New York Attorney General Dennis Vacco has opened a computer Web site to allow citizens to comment on Steinberg's possible release from prison, where he is serving a 25-year sentence for manslaughter. The Web site is logging about 100 messages an hour, mostly negative, Vacco's office said. The public was galvanized by Steinberg's arrest and trial a decade ago. Much of the publicity was about his abuse of his companion, Hedda Nussbaum, who testified against him under a grant of immunity during his trial for daughter Lisa's death. Bay State Inmates Lose Another One A group of Massachusetts prison inmates has been rebuffed in a new bid to form an inmate political action committee (PAC). Acting Gov. Paul Cellucci issued an executive order in August barring formation of the PAC. The inmates responded by suing in Superior Court. Last week, Judge John Cratsley denied the inmates' request for a preliminary injunction, saying he saw little urgency or likelihood the inmates would prevail in their lawsuit. The suit was brought by the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts in behalf of the Massachusetts Prisoners Political Action Committee. Gov. Cellucci has filed a constitutional amendment that, if passed by the legislature and voters, would ban state prisoners from voting. Vermont, Maine and Utah are the only other states that permit inmates to vote. Juvenile Arrests Up 60% In Decade Despite a decline of 9% in juvenile violent crime arrests in the two years 1995 and '96, juvenile arrests were still 60% above 1987 levels, according to a new report by the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, "Juvenile Arrests 1996." By comparison, adult violent crime arrests were up 24% for the decade, the report said. Calculated from FBI Uniform Crime Report data for 1996, the report also found juveniles accounted for: * 37% of all burglary arrests. * 32% of robbery arrests. * 24% of weapons arrests. * 15% of murder arrests. * 15% of aggravated assault arrests. Just 465 out of every 100,000 youths between ages 10 and 17 were arrested for violent crimes in 1996. Or put another way, according to the OJJDP, if each juvenile arrested for a violent crime in 1996 was arrested only once that year, less than one-half of 1% of all persons ages 10 through 17 were arrested for a violent crime during that year. CrimeStrike now has its own online e-mail address. Contact us at cstrike@nra.org. =+=+=+=+ This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA. This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org ------------------------------ -=Continued in next post=- ... ******** NOTE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE ******** --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: F1D00002Date: 01/06/98 From: SCOTT SCHEIBE Time: 08:26pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: 2/2 NRA General RKBA Digest 325 -=Continued from previous post=- Topic No. 2 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:42:47 -0500 (EST) From: NRA Alerts To: general-rkba-real.nra Subject: FAXALERT: 1998: The Year in Review Message-ID: <199801060342.WAA18774@fs1.mainstream.net> NRA-ILA FAX ALERT 11250 Waples Mill Road * Fairfax, VA 22030 Vol. 4, No. 52 * Phone: 1-800-392-8683 * Fax: 703-267-3918 GROOTS@NRA.org 12/31/97 1998: THE YEAR IN REVIEW (Editor's Note: The NRA will be closed on Friday, Jan. 2. Therefore, this week's FAX Alert is being transmitted tonight.) Listed below are some of the top stories we brought you in the NRA-ILA FAX Alert over the past year. We look forward to providing you with timely stories via this alert in 1998! ATTACKS ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT In March, NRA joined a host of diverse groups in opposition to the McCain-Feingold so-called "campaign finance reform" legislation. Thankfully, the bill never passed in 1997, but it will be back next year. NRA's primary concern over any "campaign finance" measure is the impact it will have on our ability to communicate critical election information to our membership -- specifically by cutting off our ability to mail you your NRA-PVF Political Preference Chart. BATF CONFIRMS NRA's POSITION ON BULLET BANS In April, we reported how a draft study by BATF concluded that no U.S. law enforcement officer "who was wearing a bullet- resistant vest died as a result of any round or ammunition having been fired from a handgun, penetrating that officer's armor." The study noted further that, "[E]xisting laws are working, no additional legislation regarding such laws is necessary." Of course, the study was immediately discredited by anti-gun bureaucrats in the Treasury Department. HOLY MOSES! One of the biggest stories of the year emerged from NRA's 126th Annual Meeting of Members, where pro-gun stalwart Charlton Heston was elected as NRA's First Vice President. Heston went on later in the year to mount a national campaign to educate a new generation on the importance of the Second Amendment, and he delivered a scathing speech at Washington's National Press Club where he informed the media that the Second Amendment is America's "first freedom." BRADY ACT UNCONSTITUTIONAL Your June 27 FAX announced the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to strike down the "background check" provision of the Brady Act on 10th Amendment grounds. In siding with the majority, Justice Clarence Thomas noted that, along with the Tenth Amendment, "[t]he Second Amendment similarly appears to contain an express limitation on the government's authority," and that the "Federal Government's regulatory scheme...at least as it pertains to the possession of firearms, runs afoul of that amendment's protections." WILSON VETOES CALIFORNIA GUN BAN Gun owners in California and nationwide rejoiced in September, when Gov. Pete Wilson (R) vetoed legislation that would have banned affordable self-defense handguns and could have led to a ban on all handguns. In his veto, Wilson noted the bill would "fail to keep guns out of the hands of criminals [and would] deprive law-abiding, legitimate gun users of the needed protection of handguns." CLINTON PERSUADES INDUSTRY LEADERS Many gun owners were surprised in October when President Clinton announced an agreement reached between his administration and several members of the firearms industry, who agreed to provide locking devices with the handguns they sell. President Clinton was joined in the Rose Garden for the announcement by representatives of 15 of the nation's gun manufacturers (and Richard Feldman, who heads the American Shooting Sports Council, a gun industry lobby ). BENDING THE LAW AS FAR AS POSSIBLE A special October 22 FAX Alert gave NRA members the heads up on the Bigger Clinton Gun Ban. This alert was a precursor to a Presidential Executive Directive prohibiting the importation of certain foreign made firearms that conform to current law. Recent alerts over the last few weeks have documented the Clinton-Gore Administration's attempts to solicit input from individuals and groups to determine whether some of these guns meet the import criterion spelled out under the misguided "sporting purposes" test. 71%-29%: Although the media failed to report on it in any detail, your November 7th FAX Alert highlighted NRA-PVF's electoral victories, including a resounding 71%-29% defeat of I-676 in Washington State. I-676 was trumpeted by the anti-gun media as a "gun safety" proposal, but in reality, it called for, among other things: New York City-style licensing, the requirement that anyone who resided in a home where a gun was present to obtain a government-mandated license, and it would have killed the exemption for stalking victims to get a gun immediately for self- defense. NRA was part of a coalition that worked to defeat I-676, and we were joined by virtually all of the state's law enforcement groups and a number of U.S. Representatives from Washington's congressional delegation. RIGHT TO CARRY MOVING IN RIGHT DIRECTION In addition to H.R. 339 -- the national right to carry reciprocity bill -- picking up more co-sponsors (currently 64), 1997 was a productive year for right to carry in the states as well. Of the 31 states that allow their residents to carry concealed firearms for personal protection, five made critical reforms to their laws this year. Some of the significant improvements in Arkansas, Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Virginia included expanding areas where permit holders may carry, reducing or capping fees, and extending permit duration. Additionally, Arkansas, Mississippi, North Dakota, Utah, and Virginia passed legislation which will allow permit holders from other states to carry in their states. NRA-ILA is still working with these states to iron out details concerning the requirements for permit reciprocity. Have a Safe and Happy New Year! We'll See You In 1998! =+=+=+=+ This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA. This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org ------------------------------ End of GENERAL-RKBA Digest 325 ****************************** ... ******** NOTE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE ******** --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428)