--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFB00002Date: 11/05/97 From: TREVOR CORNESS Time: 10:23pm \/To: PHILLIP HOWARD (Read 1 times) Subj: OLD SCHOOL * Phil was yapping to All about.. PH>Hey Everyone...I'm seeing more and more old users of TEEN coming back. heh.. yah.. I've noticed some familiar people coming back, too :) Hope you classify me as one of the "Old School" almost.. though I haven't been here as long as you or Ali.. my 2 years is coming actually next week :) PH>This message is basicaly to the new users...talk to the old users...THE PH>ARE AWESOME....watch they way they conduct themselves...most of us have PH>been here from 3-4 years. heh, I feel like a newbie now, Thanx Phil!! :) PH>We use to have people to write surveys and PH>post them...they were quite popular. HAHAH...only if Vu was back (RIgh PH>Alison Campbell) . heh.. I remember those! They stopped about 6 months after I came in here though... they were cool! :) PH>Well just thought that I'd write about some Old School. What does TEEN PH>think about more surveys??? heh.. if you want to, go ahead Phil! :) ~TrevC~ tcorness@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/alley/2485/ * Wave Rider 1.20 [NR] * ... UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- Wave Rider v1.20 * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, BC (604-266-7754) (1:153/7715) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFB00003Date: 11/05/97 From: TREVOR CORNESS Time: 10:23pm \/To: PHILLIP HOWARD (Read 1 times) Subj: RT * Phil was jabbering to Brian Jackson Jr.. BJJ>i haven't seen power100 anywhere now a days has he lost feed or BJJ>something PH>SIGH...He's no longer her anymore...and he's greatly missed...I've got PH>his e-mail address if you'd like it. Sorry Phil.. you won't get a reply to emails either, RT lost his system in a flood, and can't afford to replace it :( Looks like he'll be gone for quite awhile before he gets back online anywhere :( ~TrevC~ tcorness@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/alley/2485/ * Wave Rider 1.20 [NR] * ... UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- Wave Rider v1.20 * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, BC (604-266-7754) (1:153/7715) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFB00004Date: 11/05/97 From: KEVIN CROSBY Time: 10:04pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: I-676 After several weeks of enduring my series of posts on I-676, I thought that you all deserved to know the results of Tuesday's voting. With 80% of the votes tallied, I-676 was failing 740,211 to 328,046 or 69% to 31%. It was behind in all 39 counties. It went down -HARD- on the East side of the state, with "NO" votes reaching almost ludicrous percentages! "NO" vote precentages by County: Walla Walla 84% Columbia 93% stevens 93% Pend Oreille 93% Garfield 93% Benton 85% Franklin 86% Adams 87% Grant 90% Yakima 86% This works out to an average "NO" vote of 89% for the East side of the state. If anyone has the statistics for the West side, let me know! Kevin --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: The Unknown System 509-967-6785 (1:3407/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFB00005Date: 11/05/97 From: KEVIN CROSBY Time: 10:19pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ABOUT INITIATIVE 676 After several weeks of enduring my series of posts on I-676, I thought that you all deserved to know the results of Tuesday's voting. With 80% of the votes tallied, I-676 was failing 740,211 to 328,046 or 69% to 31%. It was behind in all 39 counties. It went down -HARD- on the East side of the state, with "NO" votes reaching almost ludicrous percentages! "NO" vote precentages by County: Walla Walla 84% Columbia 93% stevens 93% Pend Oreille 93% Garfield 93% Benton 85% Franklin 86% Adams 87% Grant 90% Yakima 86% This works out to an average "NO" vote of 89% for the East side of the state. If anyone has the statistics for the West side, let me know! Kevin --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: The Unknown System 509-967-6785 (1:3407/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFB00006Date: 11/06/97 From: CHARLES FRENCH Time: 09:51pm \/To: KEVIN CROSBY (Read 1 times) Subj: I-676 KC> After several weeks of enduring my series of posts on I-676, KC> I thought that you all deserved to know the results of KC> Tuesday's voting. KC> With 80% of the votes tallied, I-676 was failing 740,211 to KC> 328,046 or 69% to 31%. It was behind in all 39 counties. (snip) KC> If anyone has the statistics for the West side, let me know! Kevin I couldn't wait to find out how Washington voted on this issue so I hopped on the internet, surfed over to the Seattle Times to see what happened. The article I read said that even in the county where I-676 originated it was soundly defeated. Glad to see that you people just said NO! Charles French cafrench@att.net --- * Origin: The French House (1:3634/37.6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFB00007Date: 11/06/97 From: SCOTT SCHEIBE Time: 08:04pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: NRA General RKBA Digest 310 *********** NOTICE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** ============================================================================ GENERAL-RKBA Digest 310 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) CRIMESTRIKE: MA House Joins Senate in Death Penalty Vote by NRA Alerts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:07:07 -0500 (EST) From: NRA Alerts To: general-rkba-real.nra Subject: CRIMESTRIKE: MA House Joins Senate in Death Penalty Vote Message-ID: <199711051507.KAA14088@fs1.mainstream.net> CrimeWatch Weekly Breaking news on critical crime-fighting issues, policies and legislation Vol. 3, No. 44 November 4, 1997 Massachusetts House Joins Senate In Death Penalty Vote The fury of public frustration over a series of brutal murders boiled over last week as the Massachusetts House voted 81-79 to reinstate the death penalty. The state Senate passed such a bill Oct. 21. The potency of the issue was underscored by House Speaker Thomas Finneran's promise to appoint death-penalty supporters to the House-Senate conference committee that will reconcile the two versions. Democrat Finneran opposes capital punishment. A Boston Herald poll published last week said that 74% of Bay State residents favor the measure. Though there have been other unusually cruel homicides, the murder and rape of a 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge was credited with propelling the measure through the House after years of defeat. Many legislators switched their votes in favor of the measure during 12 hours of debate that preceded the final vote. Massachusetts' adoption of the death penalty will leave just 11 states without that penalty. Legislators must now reconcile the Senate and House bills. The Senate's has 12 qualifying crimes, while the House's creates 15 capital crimes, including domestic violence murders. The state's old death penalty law was thrown out by the Supreme Judicial Court in 1984, though the state had last executed a criminal back in 1947. BJS Study Suggests Congress Wisely Curtailed Inmate Suits A new federal study provides evidence that Congress acted prudently in 1996 in passing two pieces of legislation intended to reduce the staggering number of federal court lawsuits filed annually by state and federal prison inmates. Prison inmate suits alone accounted for about 25% of all federal court civil suits filed in 1996, the study from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveals. Congress, urged on by the nation's state attorneys general and others concerned about the costs of defending against all of those suits, toughened the standards governing such filing with passage of the Prison Litigation Reform Act and Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act in 1996. Overall, inmates filed 68,235 federal court suits in 1996, up from 23,230 in 1980, the new study found. Ironically, while suits tripled, BJS says the number per 1,000 inmates has actually declined as the prison population grew from 319,598 to 1,128,274 over those 17 years. Demonstrating the popular belief that many inmate suits are frivolous or without merit, district courts ruled in favor of inmates in fewer than 2% of their petitions in 1995, BJS says. The appeals courts upheld the lower court rulings against inmates in 94% of cases that year. In addition to the district court filings, inmates brought another 16,992 petitions in federal appeals courts in 1996 alone, BJS said in its report, "Prisoner Petitions in the Federal Courts, 1980-96." State court suits weren't included. CrimeStrike's Web Site Honored NRA CrimeStrike's site on the National Rifle Association's Web page at http://www/nra.org was named "Justice Site of the Month" for September by JUSTICE FOR ALL, a criminal justice reform organization based in Houston, Tex. JUSTICE FOR ALL's web address is http://www2.jfa.net/jfa/. Release Of Parole Violators Causes Flap In Louisiana A decision by a three-member Louisiana Parole Board panel not to revoke the parole for 11 of 24 parole violators at a hearing in St. Gabriel has rankled some parole officers and at least one victims' rights advocate, Associated Press reports. "They are turning loose dangerous criminals who have already been given a chance on parole and violated it," declared Sanford Krasnoff, who heads Victims and Citizens Against Crime. He called the release "a mass jailbreak." "We're the ones who make the judgements," Parole Board Chairman Fred Clark told the media. He would not discuss individual cases, but said "Sometimes we follow their (parole officers') recommendations, and sometimes we don't." "What's the point of us revoking a guy if (the parole board) is going to reverse us half the time?" a parole official who requested anonymity told the New Orleans Times-Picayune. "These guys did some pretty serious stuff." 11-Year-Old Charged With Murder Authorities in Pontiac, Mich., have now charged an 11-year-old as an adult in the Friday killing of an 18-year-old. "He may be 11 chronologically, but he's a menace to society," Prosecutor James Halushka said. That case may eclipse the recent conviction of a 12-year-old Texas youth for murdering a man for his Social Security check. An Odessa judge sentenced him to 30 years confinement, the sentence to be served in a youth facility until age 17, then in a state prison. =+=+=+=+ This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA. This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org ------------------------------ End of GENERAL-RKBA Digest 310 ****************************** ... ******** NOTE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE ******** --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFB00008Date: 11/06/97 From: SCOTT SCHEIBE Time: 08:04pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: GOA RKBA Alert *********** NOTICE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** ============================================================================ Gun Owners of America Fax/Email Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102 Springfield, VA 22151 703- 321-8585 FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org Election Results Around the Nation New Jersey -- Governor Whitman squeaks by! McGreevey almost ousts her in a 1% race. Pro-gun candidate Murray Sabrin takes 5% of the vote. Republicans hold state Assembly and Senate, losing several house seats, but maintaining the exact ratio in the Senate. GOA will look more closely at the impact of this election in a follow up report. Virginia -- Gilmore wins Governor defeating Beyer: Gun owners should prepare for assault on statewide pre-emption in the 1998 General Assembly. Hagar (R) wins Lt. Governor; he took a fairly strong pro-gun position on our survey while L.F. Payne refused to answer. Earley (R) wins Attorney General running as a stealth anti-gun candidate. Democrats retain control of State House during Republican sweep at top of ticket. Washington State -- I-676 Defeated. 71% of the voters said no to gun control. Special Elections: MI State Senate District 12 -- Pro-gun Dave Jaye wins primary! Gun owners in Michigan carry him through to the general election! PA State Senate District 10 -- Anti-gun Republican Conti wins. Columbus, OH City Attorney -- State Senator Bruce Johnson goes down in flames. His anti-gun maneuverings in the House and Senate, exposed by GOA, do him in as the voters demand better. South Carolina Specials -- In 6 out of 10 contested general election races GOA survey results were mailed to gun owners, with mixed results. 3 of the 6 pro-gun candidates we reported about were elected: solid pro-gun House candidates Jennings McAbee (R-12) and Bill Bowers (D-120) were elected, along with Larry Grooms in Senate district 37. We are gaining ground! Coming up: Special Election Primary for Louisiana House District 5 -- Saturday, November 15, 1997 School Board Member Judy Boykin has taken a 100% pro-gun position on the GOA survey. Judy Boykin faces three other candidates, one who is a pro-gun longshot and two who have either waffled or refused to answer the GOA survey. Special Election General for Michigan Senate District 12 -- Tuesday, November 25, 1997 Pro-gun state Rep. Dave Jaye will be vying for this open seat against a Democrat and a Libertarian. Stand by for updates. Special Election Primary for Virginia State Senate District 14 -- Dates TBA by Governor Del. Randy Forbes, Chairman of the Virginia Republican Party, who has voted for gun bans and gun rationing is reported to be the front-runner for the soon-to-be open seat of anti-gun state Sen. Mark Earley who was elected Attorney General of Virginia. Guns Save Lives Any ?s Call GOA ******************************************************************** Are you receiving this as a cross-post? You can subscribe to the GOA E-mail Alert Network directly. Address your request to goamail@gunowners.org and include in the body of the message your state of residence. That address should also be used if you wish to unsubscribe. ... ******** NOTE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE ******** --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFC00000Date: 11/07/97 From: GARY WESTFALL Time: 10:21am \/To: KEVIN CROSBY (Read 1 times) Subj: I-676 -=> Quoting Charles French to Kevin Crosby <=- KC> With 80% of the votes tallied, I-676 was failing 740,211 to KC> 328,046 or 69% to 31%. It was behind in all 39 counties. I read in my local paper (THE OREGONIAN), that the forces of evil that were pushing I-676 plan to try again. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: WCS Online!-BBS Doors-Internet-503-631-8439@wcssoft.co (1:105/278)