----------------- b e g i n e x t r a c t e d m e s s a g e --------------- *********** NOTICE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** ============================================================================ GENERAL-RKBA Digest 309 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) FAXALERT: Tuesday, November 4th - Election Day by NRA Alerts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:31:39 -0500 (EST) From: NRA Alerts To: general-rkba-real.nra Subject: FAXALERT: Tuesday, November 4th - Election Day Message-ID: <199711010231.VAA06433@fs1.mainstream.net> NRA-ILA FAX ALERT 11250 Waples Mill Road* Fairfax, VA 22030 Vol. 4, No. 44 * Phone: 1-800-392-8683 * Fax: 703-267-3918 * GROOTS@NRA.org 10/31/97 CLINTON IMPORT DIRECTIVE Word is circulating that President Clinton may possibly issue his directive to ban certain types of foreign-made firearms from coming into this country some time this weekend. As noted in previous FAX Alerts, we believe the White House will move to stop all commerce in certain semi-automatic firearms that conform in every way to the legal requirements set forth in both the Clinton Gun Ban of 1994 and the 1989 import ban. Please keep up the calls to your U.S. Representative at 202/224-3121 in opposition to the President's attempt to ban more semi-automatic firearms. HOUSE DEMOCRATS BREAK WITH PRESIDENT CLINTON In a related development dealing with the President's imminent directive, on October 23, a host of House Democrats signed a letter to the President urging him not to impose his misguided directive. The letter notes the signatories' belief that this action "would adversely affect law-abiding gun owners in the United States." The pro-gun Democrats continue by stating, "the criteria selected to differentiate banned guns was based on cosmetic criteria with no relevance to the firearms' capability, availability, or relevance to actual criminal misuse of a firearm." The letter concludes with, "We believe further pursuit of this issue will unfairly label the Democratic party as anti-gun, which we are not." The letter was authored by Rep. Bud Cramer of Alabama and co-signed by Reps. Goode (Va.), Klink (Pa.), Sandlin (Tex.), Skelton (Mo.), Danner (Mo.), Boyd (Fla. ), Barcia (Mich.), Holden (Pa.), Peterson (Minn.), Turner (Tex.), Taylor (Miss.), Stenholm (Tex.), Rahall (W.V.), Hall (Tex.), Hilliard (Ala.), Mollohan (W.V.), Wise (W.V.), and Tanner (Tenn.). Constituents of these Representatives should be sure to contact them to thank them for their support of our rights. A similar letter to the President was also sent by Sen. Pat Leahy (D-Vt.). Unfortunately, not all Democrats are on the right side of this issue. An Oct. 29 AP story from Jerusalem reports Israel has declared a three month moratorium on the sales of certain modified semi-autos to the U.S. Apparently, this action comes as a direct response to Sen. Dianne Feinstein's (D-Cal.) letter to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (Fax No. 38, 9/19/97). In announcing this moratorium, Israel's U.S. ambassador Eliyahu Ben-Elissar told Feinstein the move was done for "humanitarian reasons... in light of the special sensitivity of the issue in the U.S." --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: The Unknown System 509-967-6785 (1:3407/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EF400000Date: 11/03/97 From: GUS GERE Time: 04:48pm \/To: SCOTT SCHEIBE (Read 1 times) Subj: GOA RKBA Alert SS>bringing up her nomination, Gun Owners of America has joined with Just curious, but being a Canadian I've never heard of this organization before. Is it any different or the same as the NRA? Who funds it, do you know? Thanks. - GWG ~~~ * VbReader 2.22 #NR * I'd like *PROOF* that money won't make me happy. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Watership Down BBS (1:163/430) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFA00000Date: 11/04/97 From: SCOTT SCHEIBE Time: 07:58pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: NRA RKBA Alert Digest 515 *********** NOTICE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** ============================================================================ RKBA-ALERT Digest 515 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) ALERT! MA - Most Semi-Auto Firearms To Be Banned by NRA Alerts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:29:09 -0500 (EST) From: NRA Alerts To: rkba-alert-real.nra Subject: ALERT! MA - Most Semi-Auto Firearms To Be Banned Message-ID: <199711010229.VAA06340@fs1.mainstream.net> October 31, 1997 Massachusetts URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT PASSAGE OF BILL THROUGH SENATE THREATENS THE RIGHTS OF ALL MASSACHUSETTS FIREARMS OWNERS! Last week the Senate passed S.148, Sen. Jacques' so-called "assault weapons" ban through Second and Third Readings in the middle of the night. The bill now goes to the House with a new number (Senate 1985) due to the amendment changes. Not only will S.1985 ban laser sights, large capacity magazines, and the inheritance of certain firearms, BUT IT WILL ALSO BAN MOST SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARMS MANUFACTURED AFTER 1899. S.1985 will also create "gun courts", create gun storage requirements and negligence statutes. Make no mistake! This is no longer a bill which would outlaw a list of firearms because they look threatening. This is an attack against all firearms owners in Massachusetts. Your voice is important now more than ever! Let your Representative know that banning guns is not the way to stop crime. Call, fax and E-mail your representative today and urge them to oppose S.1985 and tell them that this package is too broad based and would make criminals out of ordinary citizens. When you've done that encourage your friends, family and fellow firearm owners to do the same. In addition to calling your House member it is imperative that you call Speaker Thomas Finneran at (617)722-2500. Tell him to encourage his leadership to defeat this legislation. If you do not know your legislators name, and have access to the Internet, you can check http://www.state.ma.us/legis/citytown.htm and locate him or her according to your town / city. This site also contains legislators E-mail, phone, and fax numbers. If you do not have access to the Internet, you can call NRA Grassroots at (800)392- 8683 or Gun Owners Action League (GOAL) at (508)393-5333 to find out your Representative's name and phone number. You can also reach the House Switchboard at (617)722-2000 and ask to be connected to your Representative. Please cross post as necessary. =+=+=+=+ This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA. This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org ------------------------------ End of RKBA-ALERT Digest 515 **************************** ... ******** NOTE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE ******** --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFA00001Date: 11/04/97 From: SCOTT SCHEIBE Time: 07:59pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: UN gun control * Original: FROM..... RIC DUNCAN (1:4831/17589) * Original: TO....... ALL (168:20064/15572) * Original: FORUM.... PRMLITIA * Forwarded by Silver Xpress (1:114/428) >From The New Gun Week, October 1997 By Robert M. Hausman UN SEEKS SURPLUS GUN DESTRUCTION, GLOBAL LICENSING After months of heated meetings, the United Nations (UN) Panel of Governmental Experts on Small Arms, which is recommending how to best implement global gun control measures, agreed to the terms of a consensus report on July 18. The report now goes to the UN assembly. The recommendations in the final report, according to the British American Security Information Council (BASIC), an anti-gun group involved in and monitoring the UN's global gun grabbing agenda, include: urging nations to ensure "effective" control over possession and transfer of small arms and "light weapons" by imposing licensing requirements on all civilian possession of small arms and "light weapons" in their territory; the development of national laws in all states regarding which arms are permitted for civilian possession and under which conditions they can be used; the initiation in all nations of laws, regulations and administrative procedures to exercise effective control over the legal possession of small arms and "light weapons" and over their transfer in order, INTER-ALIA, to prevent illicit trafficking; evaluating the feasibility of marking arms at the time of manufacture; restricting manufacture and sales of small arms and "light weapons" to government-authorized manufacturers and dealers; destroying surplus weapons; improving border controls and training for customs officials; and, continuing and expanding regional buy-up programs. Many issues remained contentious. One such key issue was the role of supply and demand in increasing or exacerbating "light weapons" problems. The Colombian representative was quoted as saying, "It was difficult to deal with the demand and supply side of these weapons because when you come down to it, you find demand is spurred by the supply and vice versa." Discussions of the relative importance and feasibility of global, regional, or national options for controlling "light weapons" were also fraught with discord. BASIC quoted a Western bloc representative as saying there were, "a lot of little side battles going in, one of which was the emphasis on things regions could do versus what the nation could do versus what the UN could do ... It was a dogfight in the end, right down to the last comma and semicolon. These nonaligned members who had been relatively academic turned viciously political." The panel placed emphasis on the destruction of surplus arms and "weapons" that remain after conflicts end. It specifically called for an end to placing surplus arms in poorly guarded warehouses and urged that the mandates for UN peacekeeping forces include destruction of captured arms, rather than merely storage. The panel also endorsed holding a global conference on illicit transfers to highlight the issue for the international community. The presence of a representative from the National Rifle Association during the meetings was viewed by some panel members with hostility and closed mindedness. The NRA representative was said to have given a brief presentation during the panel's July meeting but had been unsuccessful in his attempt to engage the panel in dialogue. The Colombian representative was quoted as saying, "He went out of there with his tail between his legs. What they wanted from us was a debate and nobody wanted to debate. We didn't even comment on it ... I don't think that had any influence on our work. We all know what these people are about." Panel members expressed uncertainty over the UN's next steps on this issue. They expect at least one General Assembly resolution to endorse its report and suggest ways to implement its recommendations. The panel failed to agree on any substantive measures to expand or strengthen the UN Register of Conventional Arms, notes Natalie J. Goldring, BASIC's deputy director in an analysis of the panel's work. "During its earlier meetings," Goldring wrote, "panel members suggested several significant changes to the register, including expanding it to include new categories of arms, changing the definitions of the existing categories of arms, requiring countries to provide information on procurement through national production and arms holdings, and requiring countries to indicate the specific types of arms transferred. "The panel did not reach consensus on any of these measures. Instead, the panel adopted a modest package of technical measures, including publishing the voluntary information that countries provide on military holdings and procurement through national production, and giving the UN Secretariat a more active role in implementing the register, "Goldring wrote. But one panel member who was optimistic about the outcome said, "A firm foundation for some future development for the (small arms) registry is in place. We are capturing about 98 percent of the conventional arms trade so the registry has been successful." The panel held three formal meetings in New York during March, June and August and a regional workshop in Tokyo in May. UN Secretrary-General Koki Annan has reviewed the panel's findings and issued a favorable report in the UN General Assembly. The End -!- OLX 2.2 Ric Duncan - Dallas Texas - GOA, NRA, JPFO -!- GOMail v1.1 [92-0793] ! Origin: Texas Patriot PRN-Dallas (972)495-6699 (176:200/200) ... ******** NOTE: THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE ******** --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFB00000Date: 11/06/97 From: JIM WESTBROOK Time: 03:43pm \/To: TREVOR CORNESS (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: OLD SCHOOL This is a moderator notification message: =>* Phil was yapping to All about.. => =>PH>Hey Everyone...I'm seeing more and more old users of TEEN coming back. => =>heh.. yah.. I've noticed some familiar people coming back, too :) Hope you =>classify me as one of the "Old School" almost.. though I haven't been here =>as long as you or Ali.. my 2 years is coming actually next week :) The problem here is that this is not the TEEN echo. Your message was posted to RTKBA (Right To Keep and Bear Arms) conference. In the future, please be more conscious of the echo into which you posting. Yours in moderation, Jim Westbrook - moderator, RTKBA --- QuickBBS 2.85 (Wide Beta-1.0) Classic * Origin: JimNet - Austin, TX (512)837-0953 (1:382/29) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 185 RIGHT/BEAR ARMS Ref: EFB00001Date: 11/06/97 From: VINCENT KAYE Time: 02:56pm \/To: SCOTT SCHEIBE (Read 1 times) Subj: NRA RKBA Alert Digest 515 Hello Scott! Tuesday November 04 1997 19:58, Scott Scheibe wrote to All: SS>> October 31, 1997 SS>> Massachusetts SS>> URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT SS>> PASSAGE OF BILL THROUGH SENATE THREATENS THE RIGHTS SS>> OF ALL MASSACHUSETTS FIREARMS OWNERS! SS>> Last week the Senate passed S.148, Sen. Jacques' so-called SS>> "assault weapons" ban through Second and Third Readings in the SS>> middle of the night. The bill now goes to the House with a new SS>> number (Senate 1985) due to the amendment changes. Not only will SS>> S.1985 ban laser sights, large capacity magazines, and the SS>> inheritance of certain firearms, BUT IT WILL ALSO BAN MOST SS>> SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARMS MANUFACTURED AFTER 1899. S.1985 will SS>> also create "gun courts", create gun storage requirements and SS>> negligence statutes. The Witches of Ipswitch are out there, again...Those New England Puritans need to go back to visit the Old England, maybe then they will realize what the consequences of Gun Control are all about! Thanks for your posts, Scott! Vincent --- BT v2.60/GoldED3.00.Alpha5+ * Origin: <* Silver Bullet *> DeLand FL * 9th Year on Fido(FIDONET 1:3618/113)