--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 184 HOME OFFICE Ref: DFJ00033 Date: 11/10/96 From: AUGUST ABOLINS Time: 01:15pm \/To: ALL (Read 7 times) Subj: Revenging the junk mailers * Forwarded (from: mtlnet.infohighway-issues) by August Abolins using timEd/2 * Originally from Kirk L. Bennett (17:514/810) to All. * Original dated: Wed Nov 06, 13:14 Hello All, Further to a post some time ago where the writer was annoyed with having to reply to the spammer in order to stop the mail from continuing here is some info. Regards, KLB == Forwarded Message Follows ========================================= * Forwarded by : Blue Wave/DOS v2.21 > >Anyone looking for ideas how to get revenge on the **********'s who send >junk e-mail, may be interested (amused?) to take a look at > >http://www.mindworkshop.com/alchemy/nospam.html > >Have a nice day. > > > --- ====================================================================== ... No one expects the Spammish Repetition! Spam! Spam! Spam! ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.21 [NR] - Origin: Juxtaposition BBS (17:514/810) --- * Origin: ----- Francais au Verso ----- (1:253/60) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 184 HOME OFFICE Ref: DFJ00034 Date: 11/12/96 From: DICK ROEBELT Time: 11:06am \/To: ALL (Read 7 times) Subj: Work Cleaning out the hard dive. Found this fragment of an advice message and I thought I'd pass it on before dumping it. Multilevel Marketing: is a legal retailing method in which products are sold by independent business people. Their compensation includes their sales as well as a percentage of earnings from the sales force they have built up. Some pyramid promoters try to make their schemes look like multilevel marketing by taking on a product line. However, little effort is made to market the product. Instead, money is made from recruitment, with new distributors pushed to purchase large amounts of inventory. Multilevel marketing companies usually offer products that have an established market. Pyramid schemes tend to market miracle products and exotic cures. Work At Home Schemes: If a work-at-home program is legitimate, the sponsor should be willing to tell you (in writing and for free) what tasks you will be performing; how much, when, and by whom you will get paid, and what your total cost will be. Illegitimate work-at-home schemes nearly always require you to send a fee before you get the information. One place to check on such offers is the Home Based Business Project, 2018 Carlton Hall, Whitewater, WI53190, (414) 472-1917 (e-mail to wisbus.uww.edu). Contact your local consumer affairs office or attorney general's office to complain about employment schemes. The US. Postal Service also investigates fraudulent mail practices. Overseas Jobs: Beware of to-good-to-be-true overseas employment offers. Legitimate employment firms have permanent addresses, not post office boxes, and will almost certainly need to meet you before they can market you effectively to an employer. Get all promises in writing and check with the embassy of the country where the job is supposed to be located to be sure you are eligible to work there. Don't mind me, I'm just waiting for the drugs to take hold * CMPQwk 1.42 84 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Computer Vision/The ADULT Play Pen BBS! Largo, FL 1:3603/20010.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 184 HOME OFFICE Ref: DFJ00035 Date: 11/12/96 From: DAVID HALLUM Time: 06:39am \/To: ALL (Read 7 times) Subj: Rambling's Of The Editor * * * This message was from DAVID HALLUM to ALL * * * * * * and has been forwarded to you by DAVID HALLUM * * * ----------------------------------------------- THE RAMBLING'S OF THE EDITOR David Hallum Editor WHY I OPERATE A HOME-BASED BUSINESS I can either tell you the short or long version, I'll do both, I think I'll tell you the short version first, since I can do that in one word "FREEDOM"... Now to the long version. This is a dream I've had since high school, I guess it's because I didn't like school. Don't get me wrong I'm all for education, it's just that I don't like getting up before noon. <---Stands For Grin You see I wanted and cherished my freedom at a early age, you may be saying yea but what do this have to do with operating a business form home? I'd say "EVERYTHING", you see I don't think no one can be successful at what they do unless they like what they are doing, and operating a home based business allow you the freedom work when you please, and how you please. You can't ask for more freedom than that, can you? Did you get it? If not reread... Customer Service What's Happening To It? Have you noticed a deterioration in the caliber of sales clerk's in some of the large chain stores? I'm not going to mention names but to me I'd say everyone on your staff or payroll for that matter, should have some form of training in customer service. Maybe it's me but when you run a business the customer/client concerns is job one. That is if repeat business is one of your main concerns. As I said, I'm not naming names but last month so-in-so lost a customer and a $6,000 sale with the prospect of future sales of equal amounts, just because the clerk would much rather talk to a friend on the "Company" phone. Are You A Prospector Or Miner? I consider there are two types of business operators. Prospector's and Miner's, I fall in the prospector's category. Prospectors formulate plans on how they are going to discovery new client. Miners dig at the same area with no thought of hitting pay dirt. Hehehe... Signed By: David Hallum At:06:38AM on 11/12/96 ************************************************************* E-Mail Addresses: mbn@launch.net david.hallum@launch.net david.hallum@sbaonline.gov * CMPQwk 1.42 356 *Mail Box News E-Mag For home-based entrepreneur's --- ViaMAIL!/WC4 v1.00t * Origin: Texas Hot Air! * Flower Mound, TX (1:124/8057) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 184 HOME OFFICE Ref: DFJ00036 Date: 11/12/96 From: DICK ROEBELT Time: 12:48am \/To: LAURIE CAMPBELL (Read 7 times) Subj: Faxing LAURIE CAMPBELL spoke thusly to: DICK ROEBELT LC> DR> Now please tell me why I am on their list in the first LC> DR> place? LC>You fax number is on a CD of Business fax numbers. How so? Did they issue a new CD in the past 3 weeks? And how would they know it is a fax line? LC> DR> Since the line that my fax machine is on has only been LC> DR> installed for less than 3 weeks and only 4 of my clients have LC> DR> that number; I have to assume that these guys are either one LC> DR> of the several who call every number in a given geographic LC> DR> area and when they get a fax or computer tone, they make a LC> DR> note of it or they purchase such data from those who LC> DR> do. A very annoying practice! LC>Chances are that you fax number was previously someone else's fax LC>number. I only had it installed as a second line. The phone company had no idea whether or not it would be used for voice, fax, data, or computer. LC> No one has time to call every number in any LC>locality (except for phone rooms of telephone solicitors working LC>for slave wages - and they have to show a certain number of LC>sales every day to earn enough to pay those slave wages, which LC>isn't possible with broadcast faxing). I wouldn't say that. Many years ago when the first Commodore 64's came out one of the first major programs that was available (in certain circles) was a "war dialer." It would start at any number you set it for and it would continue to dial sequentially for days at a time. The prg. would register all non-voice numbers it found. Thus allowing you to "hack" those computer numbers that were found by the prg. [...] LC> DR> Now I just finished reading PL 102-243 (47 USCA LC> DR> s.227). It CLEARLY LC> DR> states that sending an unsolicited fax is against the law and LC> DR> I am entitled to damages ($500.00 minimum). In fact the LC> DR> actual language reads: "to use any telephone facsimile LC> DR> machine, computer, or other device to send an unsolicited LC> DR> advertisement to a telephone facsimile machine; or..." LC>If it is totally against the law in your state, go for it. Perhaps you mis-read the post. It is _FEDERAL_ law. LC> In most places giving you the option of having your number LC>removed from that advertiser's list is all it takes to prove no LC>intent, and negates your case if you didn't take the option to LC>tell them a polite "no thanks" My state has a compiled "no call" list. But I refuse to pay the annual fee. The federal law (above) instructs the Commission that anyone who wishes to be on such a list compiled by them (should they find it necessary to do so) will be listed free of charge. LC> DR> And what lesson does it teach the children to allow LC> DR> lawbreakers to run free, thumb their noses at the law, and LC> DR> make a profit while doing so? LC>If they are breaking the law in your state, the law has provision LC>for you to make a mature response and set a good example to your LC>offspring. Again, not a state law...a federal law. LC> DR> Some folks call the cops on lawbreakers. Others dish it LC> DR> back at them to show that they will not be victims. Either LC> DR> way, justice will be done. LC>Dishing it back also shows that you don't mind breaking the law LC>when it suits you. And when someone breaks the law but applying their fist to your face, do you stand there and take it or do you assume a defensive posture? Dick TheMerc@Juno.com The gov't steals from you, on behalf of others... * CMPQwk 1.42 84 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Computer Vision/The ADULT Play Pen BBS! Largo, FL 1:3603/20010.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 184 HOME OFFICE Ref: DFJ00037 Date: 11/12/96 From: MARC GAULT Time: 10:49am \/To: AUGUST ABOLINS (Read 7 times) Subj: Answering Machine August- Thanks for the info regarding distinctive ringing's "should be built in"ability to function as a second line, not just second ring. I'll rattle SBELL's cage again. Marc P.S. Or, as my Canadian friends would say, "I'll give them a 'shoat.'" --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Atlanta Business Connection - (770) 232-9827 - (1:133/9018) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 184 HOME OFFICE Ref: DFJ00038 Date: 11/12/96 From: MARC GAULT Time: 11:07am \/To: AUGUST ABOLINS (Read 7 times) Subj: City Codes [1/2] Hi August- FYI royalty free music can be purchased from most large computer mail order firms. Marc --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Atlanta Business Connection - (770) 232-9827 - (1:133/9018) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 184 HOME OFFICE Ref: DFJ00039 Date: 11/12/96 From: LAURIE CAMPBELL Time: 01:58pm \/To: MARC GAULT (Read 7 times) Subj: Faxing MG> While it's true that without a short-run, there is MG> no long run...it is the companies who realize the MG> cost of alienating a target audience...and MG> don't...who survive and prosper. Exactly!!! You said the entire thing in a nutshell! Without any customers to start with, we wouldn't have any business. Much as I dislike the entire idea of fax advertising (it's not the legallity of it - here it is legal - it's more than that, it's the questionable ethics of it) it has been one of the tools which has made it possible for me to run a business out of my home. Since I can't get around I dont' have the option of commuting - either I work out of my home or I'm on welfare. I have never been a parasite in my life. Without any start up money of my own, I didn't have anything to put into the pot to make me an original investor in the company. The guys that did had no big savings - we aren't wealthy people. We didn't have the thousands of dollars it takes to run a TV ad campaign until after we had built up a client base by putting flyings on cars in parking lots (got as much negative feedback from that as we did from faxes) publicity stunts at conventions downtown (nearly got arrested for that - not me, our salesman) which then built up enough income to start things like newpaper ads and fax ad campaigns. Plus we heavily invest in word of mouth by giving away free services to every customer who brings us a paying client. The fax ad camapigns were not a matter of being too cheap to spend money on other advertising, it was a matter of not having the money to spend. It brought us a significant boost to our customer base, which enabled us to keep the ocmapny alive and have neough income to advertise in other ways. alientating future potential customers is a *very* high price to pay, but as you say, without a short run there would have been no long run. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Applied Technology BBS [604] 946-5814 (1:153/951) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 184 HOME OFFICE Ref: DFJ00040 Date: 11/12/96 From: LAURIE CAMPBELL Time: 02:08pm \/To: AUGUST ABOLINS (Read 7 times) Subj: Revenging the junk mailers > >Anyone looking for ideas how to get revenge on the >**********'s who send >junk e-mail, may be interested (amused?) to take a look at > The most innovative and amusing (and likely very successful) "stop faxing me" message I have ever seen was a reply fax that read "Please note that whilst we are prepared to accept unsolicited faxes we charge $15.00 handling fee to defer the costs associated with them. Please accept this fax as notice of our terms. Should we recieve any further faxes originating from you or an agent acting on your behalf, we will take that as acceptance of the above terms, and issue an appropriate invoice and enforce it through collections. A copy of this communication together with the associated fax has been placed on our litigation file for future reference." Excellent, don't you think? any spammer who contacts them twice is billed for it and cant' get out of paying the bill because contating them again is accepting their terms. Impressive. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Applied Technology BBS [604] 946-5814 (1:153/951) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 184 HOME OFFICE Ref: DFJ00041 Date: 11/05/96 From: DONALD BURNEY Time: 01:52pm \/To: ALL (Read 7 times) Subj: thanks Just a work of thanks to all the users here, I've picked up some really great information over the time. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: The Fireside, Houston, Texas (713)496-6319 (1:106/114)