--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: EFZ00000 Date: 11/28/97 From: BLAIR THOMPSON Time: 10:07pm \/To: ZACHARY J. GILLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Scratch equipment... -> I was wondering if anyone had any idea of what comprises a good -> hip-hop turntable set up, the kind that they use to scratch and do -> all those ill Hey, I'm no expert, but I get the impression that Panasonic Technics SL1200's are the turntables of choice. Probably any DD TT could do. Maybe the 1200's have particularly high-torque motors that can go from 0 to 45 in a fraction of a revolution and lock on to speed quickly. (Nope, I don't own stock in Matsushita, the maker of Technics.) Blair --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: JP's Place - Falls Church VA 703-237-5786 (1:109/621) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: EG100000 Date: 11/28/97 From: JAVIER COLTER Time: 03:17am \/To: GREG MACLELLAN (Read 0 times) Subj: wavetable Hi Greg , What's up?? From the deepest of his mind, Greg MacLellan dare to say to Javier Colter: GM> has 8 outputs and 2 inputs, which can all be used simutenilously(sp) - GM> Cubase supports this, you can have up to 8 submasters, and direct each GM> to one of the ports.. I bet that card is not gonna be cheap.. =) GM> play more than one track back (up to 32-digtial audio, plus a few GM> hundred midi) i guess =) on a single channel). With no processor load? GM> midi card, or perhaps just use an AWE64 (and that way i can still use GM> a regular sound card for games and other stuff =) ). Is midi really necessary for you? GM> (which is stereo, so with a tiny bit of mixing could be two in GM> itself, giving you 5. GM> plus i'd have midi.. ;) That would be insane! :) E-mail : Chaplin@Infostar.com.ar Email Cadorna: Cadorna@iname.com ... "Back in the U.S.S.R." . - Beatles --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Turbulencias (4:900/251) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: EG100001 Date: 11/30/97 From: DON DELLMANN Time: 01:25pm \/To: ZACHARY J. GILLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Scratch equipment... While tripping merrily through the mail, Blair Thompson was overheard -> I was wondering if anyone had any idea of what comprises a good -> hip-hop turntable set up, the kind that they use to scratch and do -> all those ill I use a couple old warhorse Garrard SL-95B's (and whenever I see one at a garage sale I grab it for parts to keep at least two up and running ), but I'm assuming you're looking for something new and a little more advanced. What you want to look for is a direct drive, (belt drive will NOT work), and ideally ones you can turn on the motor and then engage a "clutch" to start it. (Mine turn the motor on when you engage, so take about 3/4 turn to get up to speed. What you want ideally is one that will get up to speed in about 1/4 turn.) You'll also need to look closely at the cartridge. Your "audiophile" type cartridges are NOT what you want here, they are too delicate. If you can still find them, old Shure M3D's are virtually indestructable (but I'm not sure they still make them), otherwise look for a good inexpensive fairly rugged cartridge (I'm running a couple Shure M-15's right now, seem to hold up well). You'll also want to carry along at least one spare cartridge mounted in a carrier in case you need to change one out on the job (or at the minimum a spare stylus or two, but the stylus costs almost as much as a whole cartridge, so I usually swap out the whole thing.) Don (aka "Rick Morgan and his magic music machine") :-) ... Be sure to specify; 78rpm, 8 Track,or Edison Cylinder on your order. --- * Origin: *YOPS ]I[* 3.1 GIG * RA/FD/FE RADist * Milwaukee, WI (1:154/750) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: EG300000 Date: 11/27/97 From: GARTH ROBINSON Time: 08:25pm \/To: TERRY SMITH (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: -10dB audio in AUDIO Terry mumbled somethin' about Re: -10dB audio in AUDIO to Garth, Gidday Terry TS> It's not an issue of domestic or foreign versions, as all were TS> multi-voltage and designed to be operable from 240 V floating or other TS> less demanding input options, and had servo capstans not frequency TS> dependent. That's 10.5" reels, BTW. Versions would have been Mark III TS> or Mark IV for late 60's through 1980-ish era when those were common. While it is definately an A-77, I've no idea really what mark it may be, but I would hazard a guess that it would be one of the higher marks because when I had her open I'm sure I saw 1982 or something stamped on one of the motor components, unless of couse that particular part had been a replacement. Actually, someone here may be able to tell me if this machine has a fault, now, whilst recording the VU meters work fine, but not during playback, is this by design or a fault? As for the reel size.... yeah, Ok I was using my fishermans ruler at the time. ;-)) Somewhere I have the service manual, and while skimming through it shortly after I aquired said machine, I noticed that it had a rather clever/unique method of control of the capstan motor. ..... for now..... CFN, Garth, Sheryl & Amber,...she is now on her own! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: === NZMC Maxie BBS. Ak, NZ +64 9 444-0989 === (3:772/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: EG300001 Date: 12/01/97 From: ZACHARY J. GILLEY Time: 07:52am \/To: BLAIR THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Scratch equipment... We overheard Blair Thompson complain to Zachary J. Gilley BT> Hey, I'm no expert, but I get the impression that Panasonic Technics BT> SL1200's are the turntables of choice. Probably any DD TT could do. BT> Maybe the 1200's have particularly high-torque motors that can go BT> from 0 to 45 in a fraction of a revolution and lock on to speed BT> quickly. (Nope, I don't own stock in Matsushita, the maker of BT> Technics.) Blair BT> -!- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: JP's Place - Falls Church VA BT> 703-237-5786 (1:109/621) Thanks...I appreciate it! :) --- * Origin: Never Never Land - (419)-476-3126 - Toledo, Ohio (1:234/54) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: EG300002 Date: 12/01/97 From: ZACHARY J. GILLEY Time: 07:54am \/To: DON DELLMANN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Scratch equipment... Again, I appeciate the help.. --- * Origin: Never Never Land - (419)-476-3126 - Toledo, Ohio (1:234/54) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: EG300003 Date: 12/01/97 From: TERRY SMITH Time: 06:23pm \/To: GARTH ROBINSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: -10dB audio in AUDIO GR> While it is definately an A-77, I've no idea really what mark it may Mark IV for the age you suggest, in the newer of two subvariants of that series. That means it would have a 555 based servo circuit, as opposed to an LC based one. The capstan servo motor was AC driven, but not frequency controlled, as it used a DC biased shunt across a bridge rectifier to regulate whatever torque it took to drive an inductive sensor pulse train to the right requency for high or low speed. GR> marks because when I had her open I'm sure I saw 1982 or something GR> stamped on one of the motor components, unless of couse that GR> Actually, someone here may be able to tell me if this machine GR> has a fault, now, whilst recording the VU meters work fine, but not GR> during playback, is this by design or a fault? There is a quirk to those, though I forget the details without pulling out my own service manual. As I recall you can work around it by setting up the channel dub modes to display crossed channels as if inputs during playback, r by enabling an option I vaguely remember a reason for not using existing. The Studer heads for those were pricy, but unusual in that they didn't groove if aligned well, and maintained stable frequency response from new to gap nearly worn open better than most. New price on that would have been about $1500, more than tripled from a ecade before. I have one of those circa 1976 around in fairly decent condition, nd one older one for parts including a rack mount cage, if anyone's interested. Terry --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Do it near resonance! (203)732-0575 (1:141/1275) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: EG300004 Date: 11/30/97 From: MARTIN LEVI Time: 03:11am \/To: THOM KOUWENHOVEN (Read 0 times) Subj: Why? On (24 Nov 97) Thom Kouwenhoven wrote to Martin Levi... DA>>> Hebrew! Hebrew! ;-) ML>> Spanish! Spanish! :)) TK>> Dutch! Dutch! :)) ML> Damn english, it seems its necessary. :) TK> Well...at least it's the best possible option... Sure it is. Its much easier than Spanish or Dutch. TK> I don't know enough about the spanish language to communicate with TK> anyone... I have friends who speak German but I don't have any idea. :) TK> I persume that english is the best option to reach most of the people... Well, the most used language around the world is Chinese... but i don't think the chinese speaking countries read Fidonet. TK> Hasta la vista. Sayonara. adio... -CK2 Team Memb- ... "Ser feminista en una sociedad machista es incompatible." Miss Lovejoy Now HellED 6.66 Origin: BKSP - Black Kobra will be back... (4:900/264.88) --- FLAME v1.1/b * Origin: Pennsylvania Online! 717.657.9785 (1:270/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: EG300005 Date: 11/30/97 From: WILLEM BRAAM Time: 09:08pm \/To: ZACHARY J. GILLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Scratch Equipment... Hello Zachary, in a message of 26 Nov 97 Zachary J. Gilley wrote to All , Subject (Scratch Equipment...). ZJG> I was wondering if anyone had any idea of what comprises a good hip-hop ZJG> turntable set up, the kind that they use to scratch and do all those ll ZJG> effects, and if anyone does, could they lemme know the specs on it and ZJG> the cabinet that it fit into? Thanks... Most used are Technics SL-1200Mk2/SL-1210Mk2 Turntables. This is a short version of a FAQ of the Technics SL turnables: 1.0 - 1200 history Sometime in the early 70's Technics released the original SL-1200 as a hi-fi turntable. Then sometime around 1978-79 they did some work improving the motor, redesigning the casing, adding a separate ground wire, etc. and released the SL-1200Mark2. This is what the majority of DJ's have and this design still endures today. The SL-1200Mk2 is the only version officially authorized for sale in the U.S. by Technics. The following derivatives are available on the gray market in the U.S. and are international versions (110/220V). The SL-1210Mk2 is essentially the 1200Mk2 except in black. Everything else is the same(## word has it that the 1210 is lighter than the 1200 and is more susceptible to rumble, etc.). (## To confirm that the 1200 and 1210 Mk2's are the same electronically speaking, the service manuals are identical for either model.) The SL-1200Mk3 is also in black but is supposed to have a better motor and other improvements. The best price on a US version 1200 is from ProSound & Stage mentioned above in the L.A. area. They sell them for $399. There are a bunch of places in the L.A. area and in N.Y. which sell (likely international versions) 1200's and 1210's for around $367. In the LA area, try Quality Electronics on Santa Monica Blvd. (Hollywood?) or Astro Sound somewhere in the valley. Get a hold of the L.A. Recycler for phone #'s... The 1200Mk3 goes for $499 at ProSound & Stage. These stores probably offer their own warranties as Technics/Matsushita will not do any kind of warranty work on non-US models. 2.3 - Which cartridge to get? .Stanton 500AL's are cheapest, decent, and can take a lot of abuse. You can run down to Radio Shack and get one in an emergency if necessary. Be careful not to buy the broadcast versions - make sure the needle is in WHITE plastic - NOT dark blue. If you get stuck with a blue one you can buy a replacement styli and replace the blue one. The model to look for is D5107A. This is the same one RS sells. You can also replace the styli with the D5107E which gives you the elliptical stylus. .Stanton 500EL's are rugged, have a better freq.response over the straight AL's (due to the elliptical styli) and still relatively cheap. Basically the same cartridge body as the AL xcept with the D5107E styli. .Stanton 680EL's are popular with a lot of people for the elliptical needle (to help keep the needle in the groove) and for the slightly better response over the 500's. The 680AL has the spherical styli on it me thinks. .There's the new Stanton 890 which costs a lot but which has the 20-20k response. I haven't seen anyone using these...they probably behave the same as 680's from what I gather. Ortofon's (in general) look sharp and sound a lot better than Stanton's but are hard to find, expensive, and you can't put coins on the .Concorde Pro (xcept maybe if you have Danish coins...). You can't beat the ease of installation with a C-Pro though. .There is a Shure line but as mentioned above I'm not familiar with them at all. (someone needs to fill me in...) The general feeling I've gotten from bpm and others I've talked with is to get 500's if you are a scratching DJ, 680's for normal club mixing, Ortofon's also for club-use with a much better sound. Vital Specs List: ******************************************************************* Model(price) TrackForce Stylus FreqRange Separation ****************************************************************** STANTON 500AL 2-5 gm spheri. 20-17kHz 28db 500EL 2-5 gm ellipt. 20-18kHz 30db 680AL 2-5 gm spheri. 20-18kHz 28db 680EL 2-5 gm ellipt. 20-18kHz 30db 890AL 2-7 gm spheri. 20-20kHz 30db ORTOFON C-Pro C-Pro N/C Concorde SHURE --- JetMail 0.99beta21 * Origin: _the Sound factory_ (fidonet 2:282/704.16) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 183 AUDIO Ref: EG300006 Date: 12/02/97 From: TIM HAZEL Time: 07:14pm \/To: BLAIR THOMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Scratch equipment... -> a revolution and lock on to speed quickly. (Nope, I don't own stock -> in Matsushita, the maker of Technics.) -> Blair errrr, did i miss something ? Technics are made by panasonic are they not (unless you have a different "technics" to the uk )??? peace. tim --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 2 * Origin: The Gifstore bbs - 01803 291119 2:255/130 (2:255/130)