--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F5G00242 Date: 04/19/98 From: JOHN SAMPSON Time: 09:36pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: DUI vs. "The Gun" For those of you who have been following the latest move by El Presidente and Chucky Putz Schummer, et al. to outlaw imported "assault" weapons, it should come as no suprise that DUI deaths far exceed those by firearm. There are, in any given year, in excess of 17,000 DUI related fatalities in this country. This is far less than the number of people who die as a result of gunshot wounds. However, those who claim they are so concerned with public safety, the lives of innocent children, and the "carnage" that firearms create in our society, are for some inexplicable reason, SILENT when it comes to the number one killer in society today. Does anyone have an idea as to why that might be? It's obvious that Teddy Kennedy, who is responsible for ONE alcohol/driving related fatality, won't challenge the liquor industry or try to introduce alcohol control legislation. The interesting thing is that there is an agency in the Federal government in place that could handle booze control. It's ATF. The "A" does stand for Alcohol, after all. The sad fact of reality is that those who champion gun control aren't concerned about public safety. They want the American public disarmed. Pure and simple. The question that remains to be answered is "WHY?" John Sampson Rocky Mountain ILKS jnsampson@ibm.net (UNREGISTERED USER) ... Send Hillary where she truly belongs - to prison. ___ * ColorQWK 1.0 [NR] * --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Wildcard BBS - Thornton, CO 1-303-252-0491 (1:104/725) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F5G00243 Date: 04/20/98 From: ROBERT PLETT Time: 08:16pm \/To: JOHN SAMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: A new theory On 04-18-98, JOHN SAMPSON declared to ROBERT CRAFT: JS>Are you suggesting that if Hillary divorced Bill that Hillary's chances JS>for mounting a successful campaign to get the Democratic nomination for JS>the candidacy for President would be next to nil? JS>I don't agree with that. I think that if she DID divorce him, that would JS>increase her chances rather nicely, especially with the Feminazis. Yeah, but like Rush says, there's only about a dozen or so of those. |-) Bob /\-/\ - proud Ilk homebody@galstar.com C.A.T. ( o o ) Chapter Ilks == ^ == Green Country - Oklahoma http://www.galstar.com/~homebody/ * SLMR 2.1a * Don't fear the future, or you'll bungle the present. * Origin: Shadow of The Cat (1:170/1701.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F5G00244 Date: 04/20/98 From: ROBERT PLETT Time: 08:48pm \/To: STEVE FRAGNER (Read 0 times) Subj: Yet another Bimbo On 04-19-98, STEVE FRAGNER declared to ROBERT CRAFT: SF>-> SF> Judging a person from 3 lines of text is very SF>-> SF> interesting. SF>-> SF>-> In this forum, you are what you write. If you find this SF>-> unacceptable, tough. SF> SF> Did I strike a sensitive note? TOUGH! You've struck no notes whatever. You're just minor background noise. Somewhat amusing to watch though, as you pursue your Fido cyber self-destruction. Robert *is* moderator here. |-) SF>It seems that if one does no SF>agree with the Rushies, they are then outcast. All outcasts from here are self-made by behavior alone. Disagreement has nothing to do with it. The absence of wisdom and grace does. Bob /\-/\ - proud Ilk homebody@galstar.com C.A.T. ( o o ) Chapter Ilks == ^ == Green Country - Oklahoma http://www.galstar.com/~homebody/ * SLMR 2.1a * But of that day and hour knoweth no man ... Matt 24:36 * Origin: Shadow of The Cat (1:170/1701.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F5G00245 Date: 04/19/98 From: WALTER LUFFMAN Time: 01:19pm \/To: JANADA OAKLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Yet another Bimbo -=> Quoting Janada Oakley to Walter Luffman <=- WL> You'd probably be drummed out of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy WL> if the word got out. JO> Aw, rats! I can't have that happening! I know! I'll smoke a cigarette JO> when I am done...now, if I only had an SUV... Well, as a mug-carrying Charter Member Of The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy (it arrived last week!), I promise to do my part to block any attempt to oust you from the VRWC. WL> I believe Steve Fragner still pokes his head up now and then. JO> Oh, yes, isn't he just precious? We just don't get enough good JO> drive-bys, do we? Maybe traffic will pick up after school ends and JO> the OBE creatures are all let out for the summer. ;) It promises to be an enjoyable summer. I just hope they don't make it so easy for us we get bored. Walter, Forked Deer River Ilks wluffman@usit.net ... I ate a dozen oysters, but only nine worked. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Mr Zip "Home of Aunt Gabby Echo" (1:123/17) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F5G00246 Date: 04/19/98 From: WALTER LUFFMAN Time: 01:26pm \/To: JEAN HALVERSON (Read 0 times) Subj: advert. for 23% sales tax -=> Quoting Jean Halverson to Walter Luffman <=- JH> I was talking about the educational voucher thing with my husband and JH> he brought up an interesting point. If the government is the one who JH> disburses these vouchers to the parents what's to stop the government JH> from making certain requirements concerning curriculum? IMHO one JH> problem with public schools is federal interference. JH> Remember, OBE was brought to you by the federal gov't. This is certainly something to guard against...and the time to go on guard is _now_, before the first word is passed into law. Walter, Forked Deer River Ilks wluffman@usit.net ... I am NOT a cynic - I just remember last time too well! ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Mr Zip "Home of Aunt Gabby Echo" (1:123/17) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F5G00247 Date: 04/19/98 From: WALTER LUFFMAN Time: 01:29pm \/To: JOHN SAMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: life 01/0 -=> Quoting John Sampson to Walter Luffman <=- WL>Good intentions, poor thinking by the author, bad law. Nothing [...] JS> You know what they say about the road to h*ll being paved with good JS> intentions. I don't believe, however, that Lauttenberg had good JS> intentions. He had political mileage in mind and NOT the Second JS> Ammendment. You're probably right about this. JS> I have yet to see a gun control law work in the manner it was intended JS> to work. ie. prevent a criminal from obtaining a firearm or preventing JS> a criminal from committing a crime. Even most of the extreme-silly-fringe liberals acknowledge that no law will directly affect any criminal's ability to get guns...including full-auto weapons and armor-piercing ammo if they really want it and are willing to pay the going black-market price. The liberal argument is that taking guns out of _our_ hands (and homes, and gun shops, and even some police armories) will make it harder for criminals to get guns legally...as if they buy them legally in the first place. And of course, if the liberals have already confiscated our guns, criminals can't steal them from us. In a strange way, I can almost admire their "flexible" mental processes. JS> There are circumstances where a person is legally here (has an JS> immigrant visa or has adjusted status to permanent resident), has JS> committed a crime that several years ago didn't qualify as an JS> aggravated felony but does now. He may have NOT been placed in removal JS> proceedings because at the time either the crime he was convicted of JS> wasn't a deportable offense, OR, it was impractical to commence JS> proceedings for whatever reason. JS> However, NOW, he's an aggravated felon and therefore is most certainly JS> removable. Yes, this would certainly be a retroactive law under any definition. I'm not entirely certain we should enact such laws, though -- the person should have been considered "not deportable" in the first place, but he wasn't because the law didn't say so. Once we've given our word (as stated in the law) as to the conditions under which an individual is permitted legal entry, we should live up to our word. This does not imply that we can't change the rules regarding future applicants for legal entry, of course. Retroactive laws that grant special _beneficial_ status to individuals are another matter. These should always be allowed, but the actual enaction severely limited; and we must limit them to named individuals rather than faceless groups, since we're changing the bargain in their favor and at our expense. Walter, Forked Deer River Ilks wluffman@usit.net ... How many fools does it take to make up a public? ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Mr Zip "Home of Aunt Gabby Echo" (1:123/17) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F5G00248 Date: 04/19/98 From: WALTER LUFFMAN Time: 02:03pm \/To: JOHN SAMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: A new theory -=> Quoting John Sampson to Walter Luffman <=- WL>Hmm...is "political career" even the right term to use? WL>After all, she has never run for any elected office, hasn't WL>even held an _official_ appointed position since leaving [...] JS> She had been appointed (if that's the correct term) by Billy Jeff to JS> head up the Health Care "Task Force". Such an appointment would make her an accountable part of the Executive Branch, something the Waffle House repeatedly denied when the Health Care Fiasco blew up in their faces. I'm just refusing to let them have it both ways; either Hillary was fully accountable then, or she had no official standing. JS> But you are correct, she's never been elected to anything which makes JS> the invocation of Executive Privilege for her so blatantly illegal and JS> transparent. Bill can invoke the Divine Right of Ham Sandwiches if he wants, and if we let him get away with it. No one else can invoke anything in his name, however -- not Hillary, and certainly not some staffer. JS> She's never held public office yet weilds so much power that is not JS> answerable to anyone. There is some speculation that it is SHE who JS> runs the country and not Bill. From her point of view, an excellent JS> position to be in. All the power and none of the accountability. That is precisely how I believe things are. Oh, Bill still has considerable power, especially with regard to foreign policy (perhaps someone in Peking or Jakarta is pulling those particular strings, but only until he decides to double-cross them); but when it comes to domestic policy, Hillary has the final word and Bill doesn't dare defy her lest she expose the inner workings of his administration -- or worse, move into his bedroom. JS> And we have Billy Jeff saying on national television that if "you vote JS> for me, you vote for her. You get two for one". Can't say he didn't JS> tell us, can we? I's like those "Intel Inside" stickers when the first flawed Pentiums came out...what looked like a boast was actually a warning. Walter, Forked Deer River Ilks wluffman@usit.net ... Horse sense is what keeps horses from betting on people. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Mr Zip "Home of Aunt Gabby Echo" (1:123/17) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F5G00249 Date: 04/19/98 From: WALTER LUFFMAN Time: 02:23pm \/To: JOHN SAMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Dufus' Waterloo? -=> Quoting John Sampson to Walter Luffman <=- [The discussion concerned the likelihood of Bush The Younger becoming President. Steve Fragner had apparently failed to remember the case of Adams The Younger some two centuries previous.] WL>Beautifully said, John. Probably wasted on Steve, though; WL>he doesn't seem all that interested in impartial facts, only WL>those that support his opinions. JS> And as we all know, opinions are like certain body orfices, everyone Some people's orifices are sturdier and tighter than others. Me, I have 'roids...probably the result of all those April 15ths I've endured. JS> has one. No, he isn't interested in anything but "listening to himself JS> talk". Must be something about the sound of his voice. Lulls me to JS> sleep. Don't know about anyone else though. Waiter, more coffee to John's table, quick! Double-strong, in a Limbaugh-signature mug! Walter, Forked Deer River Ilks wluffman@usit.net ... How many fools does it take to make up a public? ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Mr Zip "Home of Aunt Gabby Echo" (1:123/17) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F5G00250 Date: 04/19/98 From: WALTER LUFFMAN Time: 02:34pm \/To: JOHN SAMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: The Abject Hypocris 01/0 -=> Quoting John Sampson to Walter Luffman <=- WL>They get it, John; they just don't want to admit it because it WL>would mean that their icon is a disgusting creep. Besides, if [...] JS> Geraldo is the biggest offender. When OJ had been arrested for JS> Nicole's murder, Geraldo had all but convicted him even before the JS> trial had begun and a single piece of evidence had been submitted. JS> NOW, he's demanding that we wait until there's a trial and evidence is JS> submitted before we "rush to judgement". Yeah, like he did in the OJ JS> thing? My cable system doesn't carry CNBC, and I seem to have trouble remembering when Horrendo Revolver's syndicated show is on; but I keep up with him through comments Rush makes on his show. But what's the big deal? after all, he's batting .500! JS> Latest news is that there will be a press conference tomorrow JS> (Thursday) by Jones to announce if she will appeal the decision. JS> Pundits are already saying she will. She deserves her day in court. Clinton deserves more, but first things first. JS> There are a few Conservative Democrats. Jim Trafficant of Ohio is one JS> of them. God Bless him. Some Democrats are more conservative than others, just as some Republicans are more liberal than others; and all politicians choose their positions carefully. While I've never lived in Ohio, I wouldn't be surprised if: (1) Trafficant's district is pretty evenly split along party lines; and (2) he manages to be rather liberal when it comes to bringing home the pork. JS> As for Billy Jeff, he has no shame, no conscience, no remorse. He's JS> out for himself and no one else. The scary part is that Hillary appears JS> to be out for HERself as well and has decided, from all appearances, to JS> overlook all of these insults, transgressions, etc. with other women JS> simply to allow Hillary to have power. Yep, he has a woman behind him -- best position for pulling the strings! -- who has all of his liberal qualities *plus a backbone*. (He also apparently has more than one backbone-free woman under his desk in the Oral Office.) JS> I am convinced that Hillary will make a run at the Presidency. Perhaps JS> not in 2000, but sometime in the future. She craves the power. It's JS> that simple. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." We have to keep on guard against her, and be prepared to block her before she can get started. Walter, Forked Deer River Ilks wluffman@usit.net ... When in doubt...no, don't do that either. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Mr Zip "Home of Aunt Gabby Echo" (1:123/17) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 115 RUSH LIMBAUGH Ref: F5G00251 Date: 04/19/98 From: WALTER LUFFMAN Time: 03:18pm \/To: JOHN SAMPSON (Read 0 times) Subj: The Abject Hypocris 02/0 -=> Quoting John Sampson to Walter Luffman <=- JS> What would be really interesting to see is a criminal trial somewhere JS> in this country where the accused stands before the court on virtually JS> the same charges as El Presidente and calls all of the folks involved JS> in the Jones, Lewinsky, Willey, et al, "matter" and have them explain JS> to the jury why the President of the United States should be allowed to JS> commit these acts with impugnity while he is being criminally charged JS> for the same alleged behavior. If only someone would actually do this, in a high-profile case the news media can't ignore.... [Re: FemiNazis] JS> The bottom line to all this is that LIbEralS are hypocrites and no one JS> is calling them on it. A few people are -- Rush, Liddy, a few columnists and Fox New commentators, most of us in this echo -- but it's hard to be heard over the other side's shouting. WL>I frequently laugh at Carville myself, but not for the same WL>reason. JS> Carville is tenacious enough to be dangerous. He's been wildly JS> successful in attacking Starr. In short, you can't knock success. I laugh at the sight of a dancing bear...but that doesn't mean I want to cuddle it. JS> Dick Armey said it best. This man's credo is that he's ENTITLED to do JS> whatever he can get away with. Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling about the JS> Unagroper Commander in Cheat. Gloria Steinhem has stated that El JS> Presidente is at best, guilty of being immature and irresponsible. ie. That's quite an admission for Ms. Steinhem. Funny thing, I used to think she had a backbone; but now I see she's "flexible." JS> He's guilty. And B. do YOU want someone immature and irresponsible in JS> charge of the country with the power to start a war, send American men JS> and women into harms way, and the power to use nuclear weapons? I JS> don't. I'd sooner trust Eddie Haskell to babysit The Beaver. (And if you want to make up your own joke, be my guest.) JS> And THAT is why character matters. But try telling that to someone who JS> depends on Uncle Sugar to give 'em a welfare check. They're more JS> interested in daily survival and not what is in the national interest. To many who never completely let go of the "Me Decade", their daily survival _is_ in the national interest. WL> JS> Anything goes. There is no morality. And they wonder why incidents WL> JS> like the shooting in Jonesboro happen?? Shhh! The gun-grabers are about to go one step too far, I think. It seems the underage perps stole their weapons from the home of the older boy's grandfather...a game warden. Some anti-gunners are now saying that even law-enforcement officers should be limited to some minimum weaponry. And remember, in their eyes one LEO is exactly the same as any other. Clearly, they'd outlaw "holdout" weapons, keep shotguns and rifles locked in armories instead of inside patrol cars, even ban use of anything greater than a .38 Special revolver as a duty sidearm. They'd probably authorize more powerful radio transmitters, though...as if that would accomplish anything. Walter, Forked Deer River Ilks wluffman@usit.net ... Feather by feather the goose is plucked. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Mr Zip "Home of Aunt Gabby Echo" (1:123/17)